speedrn1 said:

dk621 said:
Altogether we all need to contact the governor and tell them this is a bad idea if enough comments get through they will doubt the bill and veto it to keep their position safe. For the long term we will need to push a safer alternative to government if laws, maybe we can make a push for free and easy to use parental monitoring software with no government links, something that any old parent can use without confusion. That way when politicians try to pass another 2112 bill the idea would sound overreaching in comparison. We would need to spread a formof this idea to our communities and keep the idea going long enough that it takes root. If people resist the idea remind them of those times companies got all there data looted from a hack and link that unsafe feeling to there own identification data to, if that doesn’t work remind them of government incompetence and drive in that wedge of doubt people and make it sound better there the power to be in there hands rather than a politician. This may sound ridiculous but hey if ridiculous bills like 2112 could make it this far then there’s a chance we could pull it off

But then you're expecting parents to do something that I'm sure 90 odd% don't even bother doing you know "parenting" properly. Trying to push parental software would just be a waste of time.

Would not it make sense to have a bill that allows parents to sue themselves (or each other) for not taking proper care of their kids? This is not entirely a joke.

Also, depending on the wording of that parental control software bill, it could have unintended consequences for libre software.

https://www.aol.com/news/exclusive-gop-bill-seeks-sledgehammer-163353436.html

Honestly, it's long past time for e621 to leave the US, period. end of story. FULL STOP. Now there's a federal ban on the horizon.

amontillado said:
https://www.aol.com/news/exclusive-gop-bill-seeks-sledgehammer-163353436.html

Honestly, it's long past time for e621 to leave the US, period. end of story. FULL STOP. Now there's a federal ban on the horizon.

That would have a far wider and deeper impact than age verification bills.

siberwolf_729 said:
Oh boy. The American populace is already dissatisfied enough from all the things that have been transpiring recently. Lots of citizens are feeling the strain & use pornography as a means for escape and to temper their fears, especially so right now.

They are messing with the Circus part of the famous phrase "Bread and Circuses"; the maintenance of civil order in a society necessitates a steady supply of food and entertainment.

I dare them to pass this bill. I DARE them. If it indeed comes to pass, we shall sit back, cross our furry/scaly legs, and observe from afar what happens next. That which follows will be worth watching with our very own eyes.

It will be a most interesting state of affairs.

Very interesting.

If push comes to shove, we should start to organize, maybe make a group, call it something like “furries against fascist oligarchs” or something, maybe use fake ids? The republicans will try and try to pass this bill that is a major violation of the little privacy we have left, they have kept pushing this bill and all they need is to win once and this website becomes a blackmailers wet dream. We need to fight the bastards, because this website will fall if we don’t protest and fight them

aspy_dragon said:
...call it something like “furries against fascist oligarchs” or something...

That name sounds too woke.
We need a name that does not repel the average person and reflects more our views on privacy and freedoms.

So how likely is this to pass because I got the notification that its being concidered in Michigan and I'm frankly horrified

electricitywolf said:
That name sounds too woke.
We need a name that does not repel the average person and reflects more our views about privacy and freedoms.

Yeah, but fafo would be a great acronym, I’m open to suggestions for possible rebel cell names, because republicans are the kind of people who “will fuck you in the asshole and not have the god damn common courtesy to give you a reach around” and my asshole is sore and not in the fun way either

There is something i'm sure about: We need to make more people aware about this kind of bills and how they would affect them regardless of whether they are furries or not.

Spreading awareness exclusively online is not enough, we need to go outside and do things like handing flyers and talk to people in addition to the online stuff.

I know many of you would feel ashamed to talk about this topic, but let's accept it; we watch porn, so does the vast majority of people between 18 and 40. Of course, you don't have go around telling everyone what kind of porn you watch.

electricitywolf said:
There is something i'm sure about: We need to make more people aware about this kind of bills and how they would affect them regardless of whether they are furries or not.

I agree, mainstream porn sites have already have this dumbass “age verification” bullshit, where I live, I mean I never liked normie shit, but the gop going after my precious niche fetish porn is really pissing me off

amontillado said:
https://www.aol.com/news/exclusive-gop-bill-seeks-sledgehammer-163353436.html

Honestly, it's long past time for e621 to leave the US, period. end of story. FULL STOP. Now there's a federal ban on the horizon.

apparently this is the third time this guy has tried to get this particular bill passed? lmao. he tried in 2022 and 2024, got sent to committee both times and went nowhere

not saying this isn't something to keep an eye on, but it looks like some kind of "i'm more based than you lib" stunt atm.

hiddenbird said:
apparently this is the third time this guy has tried to get this particular bill passed? lmao. he tried in 2022 and 2024, got sent to committee both times and went nowhere

not saying this isn't something to keep an eye on, but it looks like some kind of "i'm more based than you lib" stunt atm.

While that's a faint glimmer of hope, it's extremely faint.

Remember, we had a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic-majority Congress in 2022 and 2024.

The only real hope we have of stopping this is if we push how much it goes against the GOP's policies of states' rights that they've used to justify pretty much every law they pass. This is explicitly taking power away from state governments. That's the only aspect it's even possible that they'll listen to.

aspy_dragon said:
If push comes to shove, we should start to organize, maybe make a group, call it something like “furries against fascist oligarchs” or something, maybe use fake ids? The republicans will try and try to pass this bill that is a major violation of the little privacy we have left, they have kept pushing this bill and all they need is to win once and this website becomes a blackmailers wet dream. We need to fight the bastards, because this website will fall if we don’t protest and fight them

aspy_dragon said:
Yeah, but fafo would be a great acronym, I’m open to suggestions for possible rebel cell names, because republicans are the kind of people who “will fuck you in the asshole and not have the god damn common courtesy to give you a reach around” and my asshole is sore and not in the fun way either

Maybe stop suggesting illegal activities or organising rebel groups here?

The news post needs to be updated. This is a threat to all furry websites worldwide. Unlike other nations, when the US finds a website that's objectionable, they don't block it. They seize it and shut it down.

amontillado said:
https://www.aol.com/news/exclusive-gop-bill-seeks-sledgehammer-163353436.html

Honestly, it's long past time for e621 to leave the US, period. end of story. FULL STOP. Now there's a federal ban on the horizon.

I'm afraid this is the only solution, even considering the financial difficulties. If they are talking about a complete ban, there are no other ways out. Unfortunately, this bill has a high chance of passing now.

seems to only be a matter of time, unless something changes on the inside.

Taking away people's access to pornography isn't going to end well. That's all I'm gonna say.

electricitywolf said:
What if we turn e621 into a decentralized platform?

turning e6 into a peer to peer system sounds interesting

cka9se said:
Is this warning showing up for every American? Because I'm pretty sure my state hasn't introduced such a bill.

kalamata said:
This. I never even heard of such a bill coming to my state, the site doesn't even give me any specific legislation. I feel as though this clickbait is counter-intuitive, since when I go to one of the landing pages for tools, it says my state already passed such legislation. This reeks of fear tactics.

Yeah, according to both that site and StopOnlineChecks.org, 21 states already passed laws like this right under everyone's noses, including Indiana (note the use of strikeout with no explanation), Florida, and Texas. One thing that would be useful to know is which of these laws apply only to sites based out of the state, and which ones require all websites everywhere to solicit ID from citizens of the state. The popup kind of implies that all these impending bills are of the latter sort.

Can anyone from the tech team confirm or deny that users from these states are already being turned away?

This shit has me stressed to the point I feel like I'm gonna throw up.

kathyohneke said:
these laws are a lot more invasive. in order to comply youd need stuff like government ID, facial recondition software, or even stuff like your credit card info. All very intrusive stuff that hackers would be drooling to get a hold of and frankly most porn sites wont be able to get the security needed to protect that info. and even if things are "deleted" afterwards and just used to identify...its the internet, deleted information can be restored if it was there at some point for a long time afterwards. that last bit is the biggest issue with this people who are trying to force these bills through dont understand.

You're thinking too small in terms of repercussions.
Such a database could/would be accessed by the government.

Step 1: Tie everyone's porn accounts to their ID or Social Security or bank accounts.
Step 2: Outlaw 'obscene' porn (Basically: Anything they don't like. Including labeling all LGBTQIA+ content and discussions 'obscene' to keep people from getting much needed support).
Step 3: Monitor what you do, say, draw, comment on, or like.
Step 4: Target anyone 'obscene' & remove them from the public. 'For the children', of course.

errorist said:
Can anyone from the tech team confirm or deny that users from these states are already being turned away?

State bans are announced, like the North Carolina ban that happened
Also the "tech team" isn't going to be coming around here to confirm they aren't following laws they probably should be following

solomonextus said:
So how likely is this to pass because I got the notification that its being concidered in Michigan and I'm frankly horrified

I just got one on here today for Missouri that links here:
https://www.defendonlineprivacy.com/mo/action.php?utm_medium=modal&utm_source=e621.net

errorist said:
Yeah, according to both that site and StopOnlineChecks.org, 21 states already passed laws like this right under everyone's noses, including Indiana (note the use of strikeout with no explanation), Florida, and Texas. One thing that would be useful to know is which of these laws apply only to sites based out of the state, and which ones require all websites everywhere to solicit ID from citizens of the state. The popup kind of implies that all these impending bills are of the latter sort.

Can anyone from the tech team confirm or deny that users from these states are already being turned away?

I'm not the tech team but I can read github (https://github.com/e621ng/e621ng/pull/1097/)
The popup code is from the Free Speech Coalition, so basically if your state is on this map (https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/age-verification-bills/) you're getting a popup whether the law is actually "about to pass" or not.

So I'm going over this right as I just heard the news today, and I suppose the first initial thing I'm going to do is bring it up from the perspective of one who is Republican.

One of the things worth mentioning is that this seems quite timely with similar approaches that have actually affected the UK, which if memory serves me right...is as far as it gets from establishing anything close to what Trump or the Republicans would propose. It's very globalist and left-leaning as we speak.

There are aspects of this Defend Online Privacy site that do resonate with me as a Republican. The defense of free speech is absolutely one of them, and declaring these bills as "unconstitutional" is another. These aspects do lead me with confusion of why Republican politicians would be for the bill, but it's also not surprising either. These politicians are very out-of-touch and tend to favor laws and ideas that restrict such things as adult art and even video games, as neither of these things resonate with them that dedicate their lives politically and not personally. We saw this in Trump's first term where a video leaked that showed how violent games are. It was so angering and absurd, and as I said...unsurprising for politicians as a whole.

And yes, I can bring Democrats to the table for this because Gootecks has shown that they've been VERY adamant about going against video games for its violence. I'll link the thread below for you to see:

https://x.com/gootecks/status/1481190808434798594

Anyway, that's my take on all this. It's frustrating seeing all this come to play regardless of where we stand politically. I think this is why it's good that we express ourselves openly against these bills. This wasn't our first rodeo...as at the end of last year a lot of us Republicans were disgusted with the H1-B simping that Elon Musk and even Trump had. Just because we support most of what these people have for us doesn't mean we won't express disapproval ever when Republicans attempt to abandon what free speech and the Constitution really mean.

So yeah, don't be shy to share disapproval of this bill. As politically biased as this may seem, plenty of Republicans out there will be there to support you as "we the people".

amontillado said:
https://www.aol.com/news/exclusive-gop-bill-seeks-sledgehammer-163353436.html

Honestly, it's long past time for e621 to leave the US, period. end of story. FULL STOP. Now there's a federal ban on the horizon.

well unlike age confirmation laws this pretty much has no way of passing from what Ive been able to research. First of all this guy tosses up this bill every few years and even when they got the lead republicans dont even do anything with it just let it die on the vine without a single vote. Secondly? its basically a constitutional amendment. meaning they'd need a huge chunk of democrats to be on board with it. This is just sabre rattling.

brigadeer said:
So I'm going over this right as I just heard the news today, and I suppose the first initial thing I'm going to do is bring it up from the perspective of one who is Republican.

One of the things worth mentioning is that this seems quite timely with similar approaches that have actually affected the UK, which if memory serves me right...is as far as it gets from establishing anything close to what Trump or the Republicans would propose. It's very globalist and left-leaning as we speak.

There are aspects of this Defend Online Privacy site that do resonate with me as a Republican. The defense of free speech is absolutely one of them, and declaring these bills as "unconstitutional" is another. These aspects do lead me with confusion of why Republican politicians would be for the bill, but it's also not surprising either. These politicians are very out-of-touch and tend to favor laws and ideas that restrict such things as adult art and even video games, as neither of these things resonate with them that dedicate their lives politically and not personally. We saw this in Trump's first term where a video leaked that showed how violent games are. It was so angering and absurd, and as I said...unsurprising for politicians as a whole.

And yes, I can bring Democrats to the table for this because Gootecks has shown that they've been VERY adamant about going against video games for its violence. I'll link the thread below for you to see:

https://x.com/gootecks/status/1481190808434798594

Anyway, that's my take on all this. It's frustrating seeing all this come to play regardless of where we stand politically. I think this is why it's good that we express ourselves openly against these bills. This wasn't our first rodeo...as at the end of last year a lot of us Republicans were disgusted with the H1-B simping that Elon Musk and even Trump had. Just because we support most of what these people have for us doesn't mean we won't express disapproval ever when Republicans attempt to abandon what free speech and the Constitution really mean.

So yeah, don't be shy to share disapproval of this bill. As politically biased as this may seem, plenty of Republicans out there will be there to support you as "we the people".

that’s the one thing i can say that’s been good about this whole fiasco - the right and left coming together to bash these fools in power.

i personally sit way on the left side of things… naturally for an empath and a furry, and it’s been a treat to hear stories of right wingers turning and “bidenfreude” hitting those who don’t.