abecedeef said:
I m downloading all my favs asap

I've been doing it for years, always had a bad feeling. maybe in a few decades we'll be the monks who protected all the sacred texts

indigoheat said:
I also wouldn't expect them to rule against it based on their remarks, so I'm not holding my breath.

They've clearly made up their minds to overturn Ashcroft, the question is what level of scrutiny will be applied.

watsit said:
Presumably because it's no longer relevant. You can't contact anyone to vote against the bill or urge Hobbs to veto it since it's been signed already.

I dug in my search history and i think the content of the pre-existant message changed: https://www.defendonlineprivacy.com/az/action.php

It got changed to: I am writing to express my deep frustration over the passage of HB 2112, the age verification mandate for websites with material harmful to minors. As an Arizona voter, I believe this law is a violation of my constitutional right as an adult to access legal speech without government interference or surveillance.

I am particularly concerned about the lack of privacy safeguards for consumers in this law. At a time of rampant identity theft, I am uncomfortable with any system that requires me to share critical identification data with third-party sites. Showing my ID at a liquor store is simply not the same as linking a digital ID to my browsing history. There have already been reports of identity theft in Louisiana due to the law.

Our browsing history is highly sensitive, and I am concerned about the potential surveillance of this data. I do not believe the assurances made in the bill are adequate to prevent monitoring and unauthorized disclosure of this data.

I urge you to reconsider this law and instead focus on education and parental involvement to help protect minors online. Just one-third of parents use any content filters at all — and yet the burden of this law falls on the consumer. It is the duty of parents and guardians to monitor and guide their children’s online activity.

I implore you to listen to the concerns of your constituents and repeal HB 2112. Our rights as adults, our privacy as citizens, and the principles of a free and open internet are at stake.

royalgator said:
I think the reason we haven’t seen big protests yet is because people can still get around these bans using VPNs or tools like TOR. These laws don’t actually make porn disappear — they just make it harder to access unless you know how to bypass the restrictions. Since people still have access, there’s less of an urgent push to protest.

If the government ever tried to block VPNs, TOR, and porn all at once, that’s when I think we’d see a lot more public outcry.

Also, support for banning porn completely has dropped a lot over the years — like, back in 1973 about 42% of Americans were for a total ban, but now it’s closer to 28%.

And honestly, these laws mostly target sites hosted inside the US, so sites based overseas aren’t really affected as much.

And even if porn was banned, it would essentially bring a new age to the dark web, and if you know about the war on drugs & probation and how disastrous those were, it would really do much except bring about new problems that were very unheard of prior.

indigoheat said:
I also wouldn't expect them to rule against it based on their remarks, so I'm not holding my breath.

I'm not going to panic, as there's no point. There are things I could panic over, but this isn't one of them. The greatest tragedy from a potential loss of e621 is because of how great a resource it is. I've connected with many artists thanks to this platform because I discovered their work here in one place and even became good friends with them since joining the site 13 years ago. If the site were to go under I'd have to find another resource for that, and it's much harder to do in places like X/Twitter or even FurAffinity.

This isn't so much about e621, as it is about protecting the rights of society. There is nothing worse than progressively unjust authoritarianism , which often stems from anti-intellectualism.

joeyski said:
And even if porn was banned, it would essentially bring a new age to the dark web, and if you know about the war on drugs & probation and how disastrous those were, it would really do much except bring about new problems that were very unheard of prior.

Exactly — Prohibition was the greatest boon to organized crime, and I wouldn’t be surprised if these ongoing anti-adult content crusades just push porn deeper underground. We could be looking at a new dark web boom.

On top of that, laws like these—and proposals from places like Utah—would likely make mainstream entertainment like Game of Thrones and GTA 6 illegal to buy, sell, or even own.

Social media platforms will be forced to scrub their content and might go the way of Tumblr, losing massive user bases. The only silver lining could be an influx of users from countries without these restrictions.

I fully support keeping kids off these sites—but that responsibility lies with parents, not the government or businesses. If a kid gets access to a gun or medication, that’s on the parents. So why is it suddenly the site’s fault if kids access porn on the iPhone their parents bought?

And don’t be fooled—given enough time, they’ll try to link pornography with LGBTQ+ people, aiming to criminalize being gay or trans. That’s where this is heading.

uncommondoor said:
All this mudflinging about politics, "muh red" "muh blue" "muh fascism". Oh please. Check your TDS at the door and remember that this isn't about any of that.

Focus on the bigger issue, regardless of the political stance, and let's work together to get this bill addressed accordingly. If all else fails, start downloading your favorites.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/25872 - Use this to mass download your stuff.

'TDS' is bullshit that republicunts invented to deflect from their wannabe fascist.
It's not that Trump said or did something abhorrent! No! People just have TDS and want to attack the poor, innocent, manly man who has never done or said anything wrong, ever!
Trump said 'I can grab them by the pussy'? Nope! The MSM just has TDS! Also, don't believe the media! Unless is Fux News, because they suck Orange Man's tiny pecker!
Trump lied over 30,000 times in his first 4 years? Nope! The people saying that have TDS! Stop talking about him!
Trump sexually harassed a woman? Nope! Democrats are making up lies because they have TDS!

So get that 'TDS' garbage out of here.

Also; This bill is inherently about politics. Republikkkans are aiming to censor everything they can. And aiming to keep Dump in power past his next 4 years.
First: Porn. Only stuff allowed is what 70+ year old people with shriveled dicks like.
Second: Anything LGBTQIA+, because they consider any discussion as bad as porn. And oh look! They have people's ID's linked to porn sites, so they can see who supports the LGBTQIA+ community and doxx them!

uncommondoor said:
All this mudflinging about politics, "muh red" "muh blue" "muh fascism". Oh please. Check your TDS at the door and remember that this isn't about any of that.

Focus on the bigger issue, regardless of the political stance, and let's work together to get this bill addressed accordingly. If all else fails, start downloading your favorites.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/25872 - Use this to mass download your stuff.

lmao.

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

"Both sides are bad, therefore one side couldn't possibly be worse than the other."

dba_afish said:
"Both sides are bad, therefore one side couldn't possibly be worse than the other."

Good argument, bestie. Really helping the cause.

uncommondoor said:
Good argument, bestie. Really helping the cause.

if you genuinely think that the current Democratic party is, on average, just as bad and just as much of a direct threat to your freedoms as the current Republican party, on average, you've been propagandised.

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

It's really not bipartisan when the vote is split pretty damn cleanly on party lines and one party is introducing these bills nearly exclusively. But I know that doesn't fit the enlightened centrist vibe.

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

Americans don't know anything about politics. They just give up and say everything is bipartisan 🥀

I think I'm just gonna do myself a favor and stop looking at this feed right now.

If you want to download your favorites, try re621. Find it on the forums!

lissnomsnail said:
I hate politics and try to avoid anything regarding it

And everyone wonders why we're at where we're at now.

joeyski said:
To quote a message sent on the discord by site admin Cinder ; "There is no need to panic. BD are looking into what we can do about this situation.
Currently, we don't have anything to tell you about what is going to happen, but we are not shutting down.

There had been plans put in place in preparation to a situation like this.
While we expected the governor to veto the bill, it does not mean that everyone sat on their asses in the meantime.

Once we have a solution ready, we'll let you know."

A shame they didn't have a message/news post ready to go too. Been over 24hrs since it was passed, any sort of update on here to temper user worries would be nice...

ernestoroo said:
And everyone wonders why we're at where we're at now.

To paraphrase someone who also lived in tumultuous times "You may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you."

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

https://bsky.app/profile/astrangeplay.bsky.social/post/3lp66xkggws2j
Is this you or did you steal someone else's comment lmao

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

Democrats are not the ones trying to squelch freedom of expression.
Democrats are not the ones who attack the LGBTQIA+ community.

But sure. 'Both sides are bad, so one can't be worse' is great way to avoid actually looking at one side and saying 'You know what? They MIGHT be horrible!'.
Gotta stand in the middle of that road for moral superiority, facts be damned!

drachenfyr said:
A shame they didn't have a message/news post ready to go too. Been over 24hrs since it was passed, any sort of update on here to temper user worries would be nice...

I feel that there would probably be even more panic/fear/doom posting, so they're probably going to tell us about everything once they put their plan in action

It's this kind of posting that usually makes everyone go full defeatist without any sort of due process

furry_birb said:
Democrats are not the ones who attack the LGBTQIA+ community.

It should be noted that it is is literally spelled out in Project 2025 as a means to commit genocide against said community. Starting with trans people.

It's simple - they define the existence of trans people as inherently pornographic, and push for execution of people who "expose minors to porn".

uncommondoor said:
It's bipartisan, so please blame the Democrat dipshits who deserve it. Remember, politicians in GENERAL are power-grabbing scumbags, and should be trusted about as much as marked down gas station sushi.

Only one Democrat in the Arizona State Senate voted for the bill; every other Democratic state senator voted against it.

In the Arizona House of Representatives, much the same: There are 27 Democrats in the House, and 33 Republicans. All but two Democrats voted against it.

This wasn't bipartisan; it was pretty much down party lines.

This is really not helping our case. Even users I agree with are just embarrassing themselves at this point...

I can't believe I'm the one saying this, but we need to calm down and focus on the issue at hand. We can save the brawling for after the site is safe.

joeyski said:
Bro, that shit is straight up not happening.

i mean it is, p2025 is being implemented in the US exactly as everyone warned it would.

veradra said:
astroturfing my beloved

I get the vibe all the pro-HB2112 posters are really just following a script, zero original thought is put into any of their posts.

'Both sides are bad' is just the other side of the coin from 'There are good people on both sides': Both statements attempt to minimize the evil one side or the other is doing & attempt to drag the other side down to the same level. It's also a flat-out lie.

I would not vote Democrat if they had a history of statements and policies designed to attack my transgender, gay, and bi friends.

furry_birb said:
'Both sides are bad' is just the other side of the coin from 'There are good people on both sides': Both statements attempt to minimize the evil one side or the other is doing & attempt to drag the other side down to the same level. It's also a flat-out lie.

I would not vote Democrat if they had a history of statements and policies designed to attack my transgender, gay, and bi friends.

"both sidesing" is my favourite, one site may be backed with hard empirical data while the other is a hate filled mob looking to use thoroughly debunked pseudoscience as justification for their bigoted beliefs, and for some reason we're supposed to pretend that both are equally valid and worth listening to

How about, instead of pointing fingers at each other like your shithole government, you guys actually think of a way to move the site out of state and to another server?

Seriously, it's fucking exhausting watching Americans do this shit over and over, whilst the rest of the world has to deal with your nonsense going full-blast and ruining the rest of our lives when your country decides to pump the world economy down the shitter on a whim.

It doesn't matter now who voted who or whose governor failed where, you obviously can't rely on your own politicians anymore so it's time to take matters into your own hands, and help sites like these be able to move elsewhere, perhaps with a donation drive.

Cuz all you guys are doing right now, is exactly the same "he said she said" bullshit that your two parties have been doing all these decades, and frankly we're all fucking sick of it. Get off the damn shitter, and start finding groups to help push back.

cxulubcah said:
How about, instead of pointing fingers at each other like your shithole government, you guys actually think of a way to move the site out of state and to another server?

Seriously, it's fucking exhausting watching Americans do this shit over and over, whilst the rest of the world has to deal with your nonsense going full-blast and ruining the rest of our lives when your country decides to pump the world economy down the shitter on a whim.

It doesn't matter now who voted who or whose governor failed where, you obviously can't rely on your own politicians anymore so it's time to take matters into your own hands, and help sites like these be able to move elsewhere, perhaps with a donation drive.

Cuz all you guys are doing right now, is exactly the same "he said she said" bullshit that your two parties have been doing all these decades, and frankly we're all fucking sick of it. Get off the damn shitter, and start finding groups to help push back.

I mean, I'm pretty sure that 'figure out a way to move the site' is NOT something any users here have power in. That's out of our hands. So, this is the piss and bitch about it containment zone.

furry_birb said:
'Both sides are bad' is just the other side of the coin from 'There are good people on both sides': Both statements attempt to minimize the evil one side or the other is doing & attempt to drag the other side down to the same level. It's also a flat-out lie.

I think that these actually aren't necessarily that similar. telling people to consider the fact that there might be individuals who aren't just their label and aren't doing something just because they're part of a group is necessarily different from telling them that it's pointless to criticize either side because both sides are bad.

I believe that there are genuinely poeple who do the wrong thing because they're lead to belive that it's morally or socially correct, and there certainly are people who just so happen to be on the right side of history because it was advantageous to themselves. failing to see this is folly; there are potential allies in the misguided of enemies and there are potential enemies within the corrupt of the allies.

4 words.

Calm. the fuck. down.

I've seen a lot of 'Internet bills' in the last 20 years. Y'all need to chill, nothing's gonna happen.

profpotato said:
I've seen a lot of 'Internet bills' in the last 20 years. Y'all need to chill, nothing's gonna happen.

I mean, while I agree some people here are getting a bit histrionic, I think apathy isn't really any better. Bills like this have real effects, and downplaying the significance of that makes room for a lack of accountability by those in power.

I think one of the worst things to encourage is political disengagement, as government policy absolutely can be influenced by regular people caring enough to make their desires clear to those in power.

profpotato said:
I've seen a lot of 'Internet bills' in the last 20 years. Y'all need to chill, nothing's gonna happen.

just because something bad didn't happen before does not mean something bad can't happen now.

profpotato said:
I've seen a lot of 'Internet bills' in the last 20 years. Y'all need to chill, nothing's gonna happen.

"Nothing" was going to happen when Trump was allowed to be the president again. Loss of civil rights, targeted attacks against transgender / non-gender conforming people, immigrants, legal residents, US citizens. NoNe Of ThAt Is GoInG tO HaPpUhN!

Shut the hell up. It WILL happen and I'm tired of people like you who refuse to see things have ALREADY HAPPENED.

Well, seems a topical place for an old opinion of mine:

The "think of the children!" attempts to block porn will keep coming until they succeed, or over 95% of humanity can agree it's not worth it. The only way to avoid perpetually fighting against it is to either find a way to convince supporters it's actually a bad idea (not just yell at them for making the "wrong" choice, you don't need a degree in psychology to know that'll just make them dig in and resist you harder. All your social media friends are jumping off a bridge; think twice before you imitate a behaviour just because it's common), or to implement a privacy-preserving proof-of-age system.

Speak to cryptographers (that is, the people who put the 's' in 'https', whose only relation to blockchains is that the blockchain bros used a few of their inventions in am unrelated way), and work with them to design a protocol that makes it mathematically impossible for either the government verifying your age to know what sites you're proving it to, or the sites to learn anything of your identity. E.g. all the government knows is that your phone's TPM is refreshing its encryption key once a month, while the verification involves adding a random number in such a way that a different person's id plus a different random number would have produced the same output. Make an open-source app that implements the verification protocol, so that white-hat hackers and security researchers can fully analyze it, and confirm to the public that there are neither deliberate back doors nor accidental leaks.

Once an off-the-shelf solution exists, any proposal that skips using it can't claim innocence anymore. Once a privacy-preserving solution is made law, there's no leverage left to pass a privacy-invading one with.

And for general politics: Politicians don't care about you unless they stand to gain/lose your vote based on their actions. If you're already a die-hard supporter/opponent, you effectively have no voice. If you try to frame this as a partisan issue, fearmonger and fling insults, you'll only end up locking yourself and other voters into your respective sides where your voices can all be safely brushed off by the politicians. Treat it as an issue that affects you all, set aside your team colours so that you can make an argument founded in verifiable facts and reasoning, narrowly scoped to the current issue. Build rapport with one another, find class solidarity across political lines, see each other as fellow humans first, who can amicably disagree about unrelated issues while you focus on shared concerns.

galvanized said:
they're trying to enforce age verification as an excuse to violate your privacy, they're not warming up the oven at auschwitz. calm down schizo.

they're also, like, literally deporting and imprisoning people without trial, by the way.

people's fears of government overreach are not entirely unfounded.

Can I just upload a fake/censored ID for verification and jack off in peace without the panic?

anowlwriter said:
Can I just upload a fake/censored ID for verification and jack off in peace without the panic?

unlikely. this probably isn't going to be a check an ID at a liquor store-type situation, where you can trick someone ito believing you're someone who dosn't exist or something.

anowlwriter said:
Can I just upload a fake/censored ID for verification and jack off in peace without the panic?

That only works in an informal process, the bill requires a formal process with a third party

I'm curious why Hobbs didn't veto the bill this time like she did last year. I assume she's worried about her position in AZ given the broader political shift, though that didn't stop her from vetoing other bills.

donovan_dmc said:
That only works in an informal process, the bill requires a formal process with a third party

is it weird that, if it was possible, I'd almost certainly trust petty much any random member of the volunteer staff here to check my ID more than any other hypothetical third party that's tasked to handle this?

I mean, why do we even have a sapient AI if we're not even going to be able to force him to check everyone's ID in real time like in Papers Please?

dba_afish said:
is it weird that, if it was possible, I'd almost certainly trust petty much any random member of the volunteer staff here to check my ID more than any other hypothetical third party that's tasked to handle this?

I mean, why do we even have a sapient AI if we're not even going to be able to force him to check everyone's ID in real time like in Papers Please?

I mean, considering all id checks go through the head admin who has an interest in data security and privacy to keep the site going, that seems right to me

I had to verify my age when becoming staff since I made my account when I was under 18, the procedure there is covering up anything but DOB and picture on whatever id, and holding up a paper with your username, all of that combined with your face and no digital editing

Definitely less intrusive than any third party which will want your full id without any censoring, and probably also won't verify usernames alongside photos
Their interest is also in keeping their business alive, and not anything about us

Oh also, ninmy encourages deleting the verification photo from his dms after its done, he doesn't even want it sticking around in there

frostii_7 said:
I'm curious why Hobbs didn't veto the bill this time like she did last year. I assume she's worried about her position in AZ given the broader political shift, though that didn't stop her from vetoing other bills.

Hard to say. Internet porn is barely anybody's pet issue, with some exceptions for people who want to get rid of it all. It's the sort of topic you'd expect people to flip-flop on depending on the climate or if they didn't read it carefully.

donovan_dmc said:
I mean, considering all id checks go through the head admin who has an interest in data security and privacy to keep the site going, that seems right to me

I had to verify my age when becoming staff since I made my account when I was under 18, the procedure there is covering up anything but DOB and picture on whatever id, and holding up a paper with your username, all of that combined with your face and no digital editing

Definitely less intrusive than any third party which will want your full id without any censoring, and probably also won't verify usernames alongside photos
Their interest is also in keeping their business alive, and not anything about us

Oh also, ninmy encourages deleting the verification photo from his dms after its done, he doesn't even want it sticking around in there

You're not an active member of staff and this is probably a silly thing to ask. Pretty sure it's a no, but..

I imagine, then... due to it being a legal matter, trying to manually verify with said head admin to keep access wouldn't be tenable, right? Even if they could just "selectively not IP ban you", it isn't an official channel and/or they can't just... personally verify people as it's untenable, correct?

I mean tbf anyone who reads this feel free to weigh in I'm just interested in seeing the opinions.

quenir said:
I think one of the worst things to encourage is political disengagement, as government policy absolutely can be influenced by regular people caring enough to make their desires clear to those in power.

That may be true, but with the high amount of negativity and feeling of smallness in trying to keep abreast of what's going on, it can lead to dark mindsets and thoughts. No one person can keep up with all the bullshit that's happening every day, so occasionally disengaging can be tactful if you're not in the right space mentally. I'm not saying be completely in the dark, but I can also see where people are coming from. It feels almost hopeless sometimes.

frostii_7 said:
I'm curious why Hobbs didn't veto the bill this time like she did last year. I assume she's worried about her position in AZ given the broader political shift, though that didn't stop her from vetoing other bills.

They called her bluff. Hobbs said in the last Veto that she would only pass a bill that was "bi-partisan" and "privacy perserving" and the dumbass who represents bumfuck nowhere actually fucking managed to swindle a couple of Democrats into sponsoring or supporting the bill, on top of adding a vague sentence about banning "sending or storing information" without any notable elaboration on what that means, what the enforcement mechanism is, and what to do if such a thing doesn't even fucking exist afaik. I'm too angry to look at the text of the bill tbqh so take that with a grain of salt.

Discussing politics and which side is wrong or right, is exactly the right thing to be doing. The problem this site faces only exists because of a group of bad people. Pretending that what they have done, are doing, and continue to do, is not related to the problem the site is facing now is nonsense. You should always fix problems at the root, this is true in all things. The less we talk about politics, the less people will know how bad things have gotten, the more will keep happening. Until more people start caring and building up the willpower to endure how god damn depressing this all is, nothing will ever get better. Change starts when we vote for it. There are so many good people who just don't know the harm they're doing, all because politics has become a taboo word, it's a dirty topic! How perfect when one side entirely benefits from ignorance. This affects you and everyone you care about. Please don't avoid the topic. Please do research.

Unless it is really affecting your will to live. I think we can forgive those who actually can't handle it. Right? Because that's me. I can't handle it anymore. I can't look into it myself. So I don't want to see these centrists trying to stop anyone else. I'm relying on the people out there doing the research and sharing what they learn to spread the message. After all, the bad people all had to be put in power by us. If we just knew better, we would not have made that mistake. Like I said, the root of the problem, and that's the voter. That's me and you. None of us can afford to just shut up.

binaryhedgehog said:
They called her bluff. Hobbs said in the last Veto that she would only pass a bill that was "bi-partisan" and "privacy perserving"

Neither of which happened. The vast majority of democrats still opposed the bill while all republicans supported it, that's not bi-partisan. Similarly, this isn't "privacy preserving" because you still need to give identifiable information to an untrusted third-party. At most it prescribes some restitution for people whose identifiable information ends up in government hands or when its "retained" by the commercial entity doing the verification (for whatever is classified as "retained"; notably, there's nothing for preventing the commercial entity for sending/selling the information to another non-government entity, whom is not prevented from retaining it as they're not a commercial entity doing verification), but the ability to maybe get some restitution after your privacy is violated isn't preserving your privacy. Besides which, the ability to prove some specific third-party is responsible for your information getting out is next to impossible, especially if there's multiple third parties (a different one for each adult site) that could've done it; and even then, it's only up to $10,000 per instance of them retaining your info or giving it to the government, a slap on the wrist as they only need to retain it or give it once), so even that is of questionable utility.

so what happens to E621 now that the Bill has been passed?

wickerbeastlover45 said:
so what happens to E621 now that the Bill has been passed?

From the words of an admin on Discord

• Bad Dragon (the owners of e621) has a plan for a scenario like this that they have been working on for some time
• They'll reveal it when it's ready
• They're not planning on shutting e621 down

eldfjall said:
It should be noted that it is is literally spelled out in Project 2025 as a means to commit genocide against said community. Starting with trans people.

It's simple - they define the existence of trans people as inherently pornographic, and push for execution of people who "expose minors to porn".

Genocide? Just like my heckinn Stellaris campaigns, oh boy!

I look away for a day and this thread gets blown the fuck up, I'm not complaining, though.

wickerbeastlover45 said:
so what happens to E621 now that the Bill has been passed?

Likely shuts down.

As others and myself have pointed out, relocating is the only long-term option. However, as Donovan's told me, and others, relocating would be a logistical, legal, and financial, nightmare. And as I've gathered, even if Bad Dragon (the holding company) just moved the servers to WA or Bulgaria overnight, they would still be legally liable since they themselves are based in Arizona, and have other NSFW ventures, mostly based in AZ. Considering their radio silence, and some offhand posts, I'm imagining that they're most likely planning to contest the bill legally. Maybe even escelate it to SCOTUS, though that seems unrealistic. Maybe this is considered toxically negative: there is no way Bad Dragon is winning a legal battle on this in or out of Arizona. A realistic part of me says they're going to go for the hail mary legal battle, lose, comply and/or sell off the site. If they comply, that's it, nobody's using e6 anymore. If they sell it -- to who? And after a high-publicity legal battle? -- e6 likely becomes a shadow of it's former self under new ownership.

In terms of when? Appearently there's a 90 day grace period, which is actually pretty generous. I'd bet BD breaks radio silence within 20 days of the grace period to either announce a legal battle, announce the closure (and/or path that would lead to the site's closure), or go for the server relocation strategy if all else fails. Maybe mirror it somewhere else alternatively.

There's been no official word, so assume nothing is being done until further notice. Considering e6 volunteer staff are kept in the dark, appearently (which would make sense for how odd using a porn site to astroturf is), there is no proactive plan. Even if BD had a greater plan to contest the bill in court, they would likely convey to staff to NOT create liable evidence in the site-wide announcements (which is already too late because everything's backed up and mirrored five-times over at this point).

Edit: I see the thing two posts above me. My point stands about a lack of official word per the site, the odd site-wide announcements as is, and the math in all this.

arthurfloof said:
That may be true, but with the high amount of negativity and feeling of smallness in trying to keep abreast of what's going on, it can lead to dark mindsets and thoughts. No one person can keep up with all the bullshit that's happening every day, so occasionally disengaging can be tactful if you're not in the right space mentally. I'm not saying be completely in the dark, but I can also see where people are coming from. It feels almost hopeless sometimes.

Absolutely agreed. If the post I originally replied to had made a similar point, I would have seen no need to be disagreeable. The idea that I emphatically reject is that one can tell oneself 'nothing's going to happen' as a reason to not care. I personally decide day-by-day whether I'm in the right frame of mind to engage with the fairly grim state of the world.

The thing is this bill is almost certainly not just an e621 problem but a Bad Dragon problem. Their own storefront is probably on shaky ground, so they're going to have to do something about it in order to continue operating, as much as it will probably suck for them to have to do. I feel like if e621 goes dark then all of Bad Dragon goes dark, because getting rid of e621 doesn't make the issues with their other websites disappear. So whatever they have planned (and I seriously doubt they haven't been working on a plan ever since the first time this bill appeared) is going to have to be a solution for Bad Dragon as a whole, which almost certainly would include e621.

When people like Donovan have talked in the past about the logistical nightmare and cost of such a plan, it would've been with the context of needlessly executing said plan before it was necessary. Why go through the headache before you actually need to? They now need to, and most likely will. We just have to wait and see what that ultimately looks like.

minus said:
Discussing politics and which side is wrong or right, is exactly the right thing to be doing. The problem this site faces only exists because of a group of bad people. Pretending that what they have done, are doing, and continue to do, is not related to the problem the site is facing now is nonsense. You should always fix problems at the root, this is true in all things. The less we talk about politics, the less people will know how bad things have gotten, the more will keep happening. Until more people start caring and building up the willpower to endure how god damn depressing this all is, nothing will ever get better. Change starts when we vote for it. There are so many good people who just don't know the harm they're doing, all because politics has become a taboo word, it's a dirty topic! How perfect when one side entirely benefits from ignorance. This affects you and everyone you care about. Please don't avoid the topic. Please do research.

Unless it is really affecting your will to live. I think we can forgive those who actually can't handle it. Right? Because that's me. I can't handle it anymore. I can't look into it myself. So I don't want to see these centrists trying to stop anyone else. I'm relying on the people out there doing the research and sharing what they learn to spread the message. After all, the bad people all had to be put in power by us. If we just knew better, we would not have made that mistake. Like I said, the root of the problem, and that's the voter. That's me and you. None of us can afford to just shut up.

Discussing politics is pointless if it doesn't change others' minds. Therefore, the way you frame your argument is crucial; solely blame one side or the other, and they will almost unanimously tune you out, making your message irrelevant. Centrists are the bridge that allows ideas to still trickle across the divide, even as either side inadvertently does their best to hammer an ever-larger wedge in between each other. Want to change the position of your wedge to exclude them, too? Good luck having power in a democracy, especially one with only two viable parties.

profpotato said:
I've seen a lot of 'Internet bills' in the last 20 years. Y'all need to chill, nothing's gonna happen.

Craigslist and others affected a lot by prior bills, this bill basically will make this website go bye, and you lose access if you're in the state anyways just like phub and other websites. So yeah shit already happened.

Does this bill affect the EU as well?

daigothehybrid said:
Does this bill affect the EU as well?

It's happening in the state where e6 is located, it doesn't matter where anyone is

i am still hoping for relocation

its an nightmate either way

and in times like these, all effort is needed, no matter how hard it is, giving up is not an option, even if one fails, its still better than doing nothing

daeeb1a said:
Discussing politics is pointless if it doesn't change others' minds. Therefore, the way you frame your argument is crucial; solely blame one side or the other, and they will almost unanimously tune you out, making your message irrelevant. Centrists are the bridge that allows ideas to still trickle across the divide, even as either side inadvertently does their best to hammer an ever-larger wedge in between each other. Want to change the position of your wedge to exclude them, too? Good luck having power in a democracy, especially one with only two viable parties.

You're a collaborator for the murderers coming for us. You're on the list same as the rest. Stop pretending otherwise.