Feb 26th:A new bill in Arizona is making its way through the Senate that would force sites like e621 to implement mandatory age verification for all users—or face potential lawsuits. This system would require third-party vendors to verify every user’s age through a government database. Not only is this a massive violation of privacy, but it also introduces serious risks, including identity theft through phishing schemes and other malicious methods. Worse still, we would have no control over ensuring that user data is permanently deleted after verification.

Since e621 operates out of Arizona, this law would almost certainly impact us if it passes. If you want to help ensure that we can continue serving you without being forced to collect personal information, we urge you to contact Arizona’s senators and ask them to vote NO on this bill.

Please help spread the word about this issue and encourage others to take action.
Further information on the bill itself can be found at the Free Speech Coalition: https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/bill/arizona-hb-2112/

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In a word: Sad. I have recollections of such attempts in the past, but have never successfully stood; I have sympathy for those caught in the middle (like e621).

While it might have been made with good intentions, it's really difficult to make it work. I already don't use cloud storage (and limit other logins) because the privacy of my identity and data are important to me...and I'm simply not going to do it.

Aw shit here we go again

indigohowl said:
In a word: Sad. I have recollections of such attempts in the past, but have never successfully stood; I have sympathy for those caught in the middle (like e621).

While it might have been made with good intentions, it's really difficult to make it work. I already don't use cloud storage (and limit other logins) because the privacy of my identity and data are important to me...and I'm simply not going to do it.

Normally I'd agree but considering I'm in a state that does try to enforce a similar law it's, sadly, more likely than ever. Especially with "You Know Who" sitting in the President's chair.

toradrow777 said:
Normally I'd agree but considering I'm in a state that does try to enforce a similar law it's, sadly, more likely than ever. Especially with "You Know Who" sitting in the President's chair.

Ehh only thing to do is wait and see I suppose. They did try to pass one earlier and it got killed so we shall see, I am curious if they hadn’t considered moving sticks to a new state just in case they tried this again, but I figured that would cost money time and then there’s logistics etc.

Seriously, we need a backup plan. This is just going to keep happening.

lendrimujina said:
Seriously, we need a backup plan. This is just going to keep happening.

can agree, this is going to keep happening so some kinda plan needs to be implimented even if its just backup servers in other states/contries that can be made into emergency servers to run the site.

this happened last year but fortunately it got blocked

hopefully the same happens again but we never know until after

either way perhaps this is a good sign that u guys need to dump Arizona once and for all

otherwise is year after year the same thing

When they say the site operates out of Arizona, does that mean that's where the servers are, or is that simply where the majority of the staff is? If the former than moving servers, though expensive and time-consuming, is doable. If the latter... we may need to find or make an alternative.

This again... :/

FYI, trying to send a message with that link if you don't live in AZ gives:

Thanks for trying to take action! There’s no need to act on this campaign because either your elected officials were not included or there’s currently a vacancy in your district.

(EDIT: I did what I did last time and bypassed it with this link: https://azgovernor.gov/office-arizona-governor/form/voice-an-opinion)

This is just going to keep happening each year until we lose, isn't it? I hope not, but that's what it feels like at this point...

toradrow777 said:
When they say the site operates out of Arizona, does that mean that's where the servers are, or is that simply where the majority of the staff is? If the former than moving servers, though expensive and time-consuming, is doable. If the latter... we may need to find or make an alternative.

Servers. Location of staff doesn't matter.

snpthecat said:
Servers. Location of staff doesn't matter.

it's also where both Bad Dragon and Dragon Fruit Ventures are registered.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Arizona?!

bobbot said:
can agree, this is going to keep happening so some kinda plan needs to be implimented even if its just backup servers in other states/contries that can be made into emergency servers to run the site.

Plans and research should've been made starting a year ago for new host states when the last bill cropped up. Instead, hosting's just stayed put in Arizona, resulting in a major content nuke and now another threat of jeopardizing the site's future.

Given the current climate, I think the only sustainable choice is to move e621 itself, regardless of the outcome of this bill. I don't wish to dive into political dooming so instead I'll say that we should expect efforts like this to continue indefinitely even if this bill is shot down.

It's hard to make people understand that these bills are more harm than good without sounding like you're wanting to shove porn into minor's faces, and that's doubly true in the current public zeitgeist. Given the current trajectory of US politics, (trying REALLY hard to not doom :/ ) I think that e6 needs a much more defensive posture when it comes to self-preservation for the next several years, possibly longer, depending on who ends up in charge.

Of course a bunch of dusty, wrinkly ballsacks who have not seen a vag since the 50's are trying to control what porn people can look at.

First it will be 'age verification', in which they can collect names & information.
Then it will be 'ban obscene acts' (IE: Anything they deem obscene, which is everything, because they're all 75+ years old, and their sensibilities are about 60 years out of date.)
And OH LOOK! They just happen to have this big list of identities of people looking at stuff they don't approve of! Time to start arresting! Time to deputize the red armbands-I mean the red hats-to find and 'arrest' (Read, authorize assaulting) these obscene people! For the good of everyone, of course!

m-b said:
Given the current climate, I think the only sustainable choice is to move e621 itself, regardless of the outcome of this bill. I don't wish to dive into political dooming so instead I'll say that we should expect efforts like this to continue indefinitely even if this bill is shot down.

It's hard to make people understand that these bills are more harm than good without sounding like you're wanting to shove porn into minor's faces, and that's doubly true in the current public zeitgeist. Given the current trajectory of US politics, (trying REALLY hard to not doom :/ ) I think that e6 needs a much more defensive posture when it comes to self-preservation for the next several years, possibly longer, depending on who ends up in charge.

I agree.

But who's gonna foot the bill? Cause I'll be real, just the legal fees of transferring an existing business from one state to another state is going to cost thousands of dollars. Once you're established, states do NOT make it easy for you to move out.

I mean, I personally am somewhat confident in the idea that, if it does pass the state's Senate, which it still has a chance of not doing because local government's favorite pass time is shooting itself in the foot, the governor will still veto the bill.

While it’s fine to hope for the best, I sincerely hope a plan for the worst is in place. It’s clear that the state legislators in charge are just going to keep trying and trying until they get lucky and ram this horrendous violation of privacy through.

infernotx said:
I mean, I personally am somewhat confident in the idea that, if it does pass the state's Senate, which it still has a chance of not doing because local government's favorite pass time is shooting itself in the foot, the governor will still veto the bill.

This is correct. Katie Hobbs vetoed a similar bill to this last year and I don't see why she wouldn't do it again.

She won't be governor forever, though.

We need to find what country we can move to that will allow us to exist while needing to purge as few tags as possible in the process. Chances are, staying in the United States will be far more trouble than it's worth.

Sorry for dooming, but... I'm just trying to be realistic here. We really do not want to be caught off-guard when they have one good day.

lendrimujina said:
We need to find what country we can move to that will allow us to exist while needing to purge as few tags as possible in the process. Chances are, staying in the United States will be far more trouble than it's worth.

better yet, furry moon colony.

This law isn't written in good faith and assuming it is will just lead to worse outcomes. The end goal of the GOP is to make Trans and the rest of LGBT+ people and ideas considered "pornographic" this isn't about porn, and it never was. This bill needs to be stopped, I'm not sure it will this time.

Beyond that, I've said it before, I'm going to say it again, e621 needs to have alternatives for hosting in AZ and the USA. They're going to come for this site, sooner rather than later.

Things are going to get really, REALLY bad here.

Man, fuck these guys, they'll push this law until they get their way. Planning is essential when shit hits the fan; maybe relocate the servers to another state or country - in case the state congress decides to override the governor's veto (I don't know if this works for state governments) or a Republican govenor is elected next year. If the override ever happens, the politicians that voted for the bill will get their comeuppance (i.e. having their porn history exposed by hackers, showing the public that they're hypocrites). I hope Katie Hobbs vetos it and the state legislature accepts it, just like the similar bill last year. If not, we better start a GoFundMe to file a lawsuit against the bill.

I'm still curious as to how this would work for non-US citizens.

shadowguy28 said:
I'm still curious as to how this would work for non-US citizens.

me too i'm not in usa

shadowguy28 said:
I'm still curious as to how this would work for non-US citizens.

If it were to go through the servers would be presumably relocated (maybe even the entire headquarters eventually), identity verification is prohibitively expensive and definitely not something BD would take on

Hell, even pornhub is still blocking texas, they refuse to comply with laws as written despite having an age verification process (albeit one that I'm sure doesn't qualify for the law)

If the porn site won't add identity verification because of dumb laws, I don't see a smaller site doing so either (especially considered the hub isn't headquartered in Texas, that would be a very different story,)

indigohowl said:
In a word: Sad. I have recollections of such attempts in the past, but have never successfully stood; I have sympathy for those caught in the middle (like e621).

While it might have been made with good intentions, it's really difficult to make it work. I already don't use cloud storage (and limit other logins) because the privacy of my identity and data are important to me...and I'm simply not going to do it.

That's the thing though - it was NOT made with good intentions. The entire point was a backdoor way to work around the 1st amendment. I would not be shocked if someone even admitted it.

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
This law isn't written in good faith and assuming it is will just lead to worse outcomes. The end goal of the GOP is to make Trans and the rest of LGBT+ people and ideas considered "pornographic" this isn't about porn, and it never was. This bill needs to be stopped, I'm not sure it will this time.

Beyond that, I've said it before, I'm going to say it again, e621 needs to have alternatives for hosting in AZ and the USA. They're going to come for this site, sooner rather than later.

Things are going to get really, REALLY bad here.

Oh, there's definitely some sexism (homophobia et al) going on. I guess the great big pipe dream is their plan to ban people they don't like from sharing advice and experiences with each other.

dba_afish said:
better yet, furry moon colony.

LOL, in before the scene in Iron Sky with the nukes.

donovan_dmc said:
If it were to go through the servers would be presumably relocated (maybe even the entire headquarters eventually), identity verification is prohibitively expensive and definitely not something BD would take on

Hell, even pornhub is still blocking texas, they refuse to comply with laws as written despite having an age verification process (albeit one that I'm sure doesn't qualify for the law)

If the porn site won't add identity verification because of dumb laws, I don't see a smaller site doing so either (especially considered the hub isn't headquartered in Texas, that would be a very different story,)

"Working as intended." - Texas Legislature
Seriously, it's hilariously obvious this was the intent.

donovan_dmc said:
If it were to go through the servers would be presumably relocated (maybe even the entire headquarters eventually), identity verification is prohibitively expensive and definitely not something BD would take on

Hell, even pornhub is still blocking texas, they refuse to comply with laws as written despite having an age verification process (albeit one that I'm sure doesn't qualify for the law)

If the porn site won't add identity verification because of dumb laws, I don't see a smaller site doing so either (especially considered the hub isn't headquartered in Texas, that would be a very different story,)

I wonder if BD started an emergency relocation fund after the scare last year. Hope so, might be useful.

shadowguy28 said:
I wonder if BD started an emergency relocation fund after the scare last year. Hope so, might be useful.

As far as the staff were made aware they did not, though bd is quite disconnected from e6

If only there were a way to host a Service in such a way that its location remained Hidden.

busahou said:
If only there were a way to host a Service in such a way that its location remained Hidden.

A government would just send a letter to whatever host you use, or the middleman (such as cloudflare) to then get access to your host, you can't "hide" where you're hosted from laws

Oh and if you're suggesting tor, no

So what can be done if this law goes through?
Relocate servers? Block access so that a VPN has to be used? Give up and shut down e621??

If e621 needs to have age verification, I'm gone. I will never give my ID to any-one/thing on the web no matter how hard governments try.

t24ttffrg said:
So what can be done if this law goes through?

Some of the staff on the Discord's Helpdesk channel have said that e6/BD does have a plan for if the bill passes (which is probably going to be relocation), but that they can't disclose more info at the moment.

Block access so that a VPN has to be used?

Since e621 operates from AZ, it has to follow AZ laws, and would have to require anyone from anywhere to verify.

t24ttffrg said:
So what can be done if this law goes through?
Relocate servers? Block access so that a VPN has to be used? Give up and shut down e621??

If e621 needs to have age verification, I'm gone. I will never give my ID to any-one/thing on the web no matter how hard governments try.

Same here. I avoid giving personal info in general on any website, and they (politicians) pretend me to show my real life ID to a non-government website that can potentially be leaked? specially a porn site? lmao, no way.

The law forces to use ID when server was accessed from USA. But if it was accessed from another country, will the law still require ID? If no, than you already know the backup plan.

yetanotheraiuser said:
The law forces to use ID when server was accessed from USA. But if it was accessed from another country, will the law still require ID? If no, than you already know the backup plan.

DDMC just said that where you (the client) are doesn't matter. The law where the server is located takes precedent. You'd still have to verify yourself even if you lived in another country.

They just really really want to protect us.

Guess you can just see if can move the server to different State then.

lendrimujina said:
We need to find what country we can move to... Chances are, staying in the United States will be far more trouble than it's worth.

I know you're still talking about the website, but frankly at this point each of us should be looking into options to relocate to another country. It's only a matter of time before the SS is banging on all of our doors, and frankly I'd prefer to be an ocean away when that happens.

errorist said:
I know you're still talking about the website, but frankly at this point each of us should be looking into options to relocate to another country. It's only a matter of time before the SS is banging on all of our doors, and frankly I'd prefer to be an ocean away when that happens.

Fortunately, we were able to avoid four more years of the Obama Biden administration...which was far more socialist than I was comfortable with. I personally found the parallels between Biden and Lenin to be a bit ... chilling. If you think I'm making it up, read The White Pill by Michael Malice.

indigohowl said:
Fortunately, we were able to avoid four more years of the Obama Biden administration...which was far more socialist than I was comfortable with. I personally found the parallels between Biden and Lenin to be a bit ... chilling. If you think I'm making it up, read The White Pill by Michael Malice.

lmao.

even if that wasn't the dumbest thing I've heard all week, I'd much rather have an unapologetic socialist than the world's dumbest conman and his boyfriend trying to run the country.

dba_afish said:
even if that wasn't the dumbest thing I've heard all week, I'd much rather have an unapologetic socialist than the world's dumbest conman and his boyfriend trying to run the country.

Perhaps you should ask the people of China and North Korea how well socialism works....

That aside, perhaps e621 should look for an alternative server host location?

oh my fucking god, this is like the fucking TENTH time they've tried this
when are they going to get the fucking message that NO ONE WANTS THIS SHIT?
i live in the uk and even i'm getting fed up with them trying this bullshit

indigohowl said:
Perhaps you should ask the people of China and North Korea how well socialism works....

if you think that the main problem that China and North Korea have is their fucking economic system, and not the fact that their government is headed by self-serving pseudo-/literal dictators who are above the law and only care about their own interests and is otherwise rife with corruption, I do not know what to tell you.

I'm sorry, I had to put my foot down here because this thread had put me in a spiral I can't claw my way out of.

dba_afish said:
if you think that the main problem that China and North Korea have is their fucking economic system, and not the fact that their government is headed by self-serving pseudo-/literal dictators who are above the law and only care about their own interests and is otherwise rife with corruption, I do not know what to tell you.

This line of conversation is only going to keep escalating, please stop engaging with it.

errorist said:
I know you're still talking about the website, but frankly at this point each of us should be looking into options to relocate to another country. It's only a matter of time before the SS is banging on all of our doors, and frankly I'd prefer to be an ocean away when that happens.

You're not helping, either. I know things are scary, I've been fucking terrified every waking moment. But acting like the worst has already happened does nothing but discourage people from even trying. Especially the people who are the most emotionally vulnerable right now.

lendrimujina said:
This line of conversation is only going to keep escalating, please stop engaging with it.

I dislike discussions on politics and religion because they only succeed in making people angry without actually resolving anything. So, yes...I agree 100%.

lendrimujina said:
This line of conversation is only going to keep escalating, please stop engaging with it.

I know, I'm done. I've said all I will on the subject.

I'm surprised no one has proposed to organize a protest of some sort. But at the same time, i understand the concerns of some people in here.

m-b said:
It's hard to make people understand that these bills are more harm than good without sounding like you're wanting to shove porn into minor's faces, and that's doubly true in the current public zeitgeist.

But we may still have a protest à la Wikipedia on SOPA.

This nosedived into political shit flinging so fast it gave me whiplash

electricitywolf said:
I'm surprised no one has proposed to organize a protest of some sort. But at the same time, i understand the concerns of some people in here.

But we may still have a protest à la Wikipedia on SOPA.

A protest of... the companies they want to drive away? The ones that likely do not contribute to the local economy in any meaningful way and thus a protest has no consequences? Yeah, that'll show them
There's a huge difference between what happened in 2012 and now, especially since this is one state and not the whole country, and the content is one of the most vilified things on the planet

lizzyroo said:
Guess you can just see if can move the server to different State then.

Easier said than done considering they're physical on premises servers

electricitywolf said:
I'm surprised no one has proposed to organize a protest of some sort. But at the same time, i understand the concerns of some people in here.

not many of us live in Phoenix, AZ (or within driving distance) and fewer have the free time to throw into protesting, and fewer still would want to risk the potential social suicide of protesting something related to pornography, especially when it's a bill claiming to be aimed at protecting children.

EDIT: I mean, the problem is that this is bill passing would be a privacy violation and, in order to protest it, people would essentially need to give up that privacy that they're seeking to have protected. it's kind of a Catch-22...

Considering this has been going on now for years in other states, which already have versions of this bill, will this just keep happening?

In Australia last year they passed something that would require us to use facial recognition software just to log online as proof of our age. Again with the title "protecting the children" which somehow effects every adult. Not likely they will succeed in accomplishing this though considering how long it takes the Aussie Government to do anything.

Where would the servers even go if not anywhere in UK, Europe, Australia or America?

casmin7~ said:
Considering this has been going on now for years in other states, which already have versions of this bill, will this just keep happening?

In Australia last year they passed something that would require us to use facial recognition software just to log online as proof of our age. Again with the title "protecting the children" which somehow effects every adult. Not likely they will succeed in accomplishing this though considering how long it takes the Aussie Government to do anything.

Where would the servers even go if not anywhere in UK, Europe, Australia or America?

Yes, these bills are not going away. It is very likely that we will see the end of anonymity within the decade. With any luck, this will be done in a way that doesn't require giving your personal information to sketchy websites- maybe through a service sold by internet providers. In any case, enjoy being able to browse without id while you can.

I wonder how this would affect artists who host their art on their own website.

donovan_dmc said:
This nosedived into political shit flinging so fast it gave me whiplash

This thread

Fuck this bullshit. I'm not giving a republican strong hold my information. Arizona can fuck off, and so can e6 if they enforce this.

there are some mistakes that people here are making, things they seem to don't understand

for one thing, this is not just about 'porn' but also about privacy and free expression - fundamental rights

and another thing, remember that porn is popular - no matter your race, religion or political orientation

so as much as porn is popular, messing with porn is equally unpopular

zerosonicdrive said:
oh my fucking god, this is like the fucking TENTH time they've tried this
when are they going to get the fucking message that NO ONE WANTS THIS SHIT?
i live in the uk and even i'm getting fed up with them trying this bullshit

Your mistake is assuming politicians care what their constituents want outside of the 6 months before reelection

bogdanurs said:
there are some mistakes that people here are making, things they seem to don't understand

for one thing, this is not just about 'porn' but also about privacy and free expression - fundamental rights

The U.S. Constitution is the first and last word in law. Attacks on the Bill of Rights go back about as far as we've had it...and loss of one (any one) will inevitably lead to the loss of all.

On which I'm going to circle back....is a plan to migrate the server in discussion yet? It's probably better to be proactive in this case.

busahou said:
If only there were a way to host a Service in such a way that its location remained Hidden.

Hmm, a hidden service, if you will? :shrugs: Never heard of anything like that. It sounds pretty shady... almost like a network running on top of the Internet just to keep things in the dark. So strange!

donovan_dmc said:
A government would just send a letter to whatever host you use, or the middleman (such as cloudflare) to then get access to your host, you can't "hide" where you're hosted from laws

Oh and if you're suggesting tor, no

LOL, you should have spoilered that. It's funnier that way!

As far as people worried about ID verifiers keeping info for longer than needed, and having leaks goes... Welp bad stuff happens. It happens to sensitive-data services all the time.

zerosonicdrive said:
oh my fucking god, this is like the fucking TENTH time they've tried this
when are they going to get the fucking message that NO ONE WANTS THIS SHIT?
i live in the uk and even i'm getting fed up with them trying this bullshit

my guess, when it blows up in their faces in a publicly nuclear mannor 20 or so times so joe normie gets it thru their head too.
they dont care they are setting up the mother of all targets for doxxers, blackmailers, and more likely think it will only impact the 'right' people.

people really need to look at how this kinda crap went when blizzard tried this with their early real id system, spoiler alert someone got doxxed hard when they tried to prove it was safe.

I guess I assumed this was already hosted in Sweden or something. Even the current supreme court would surely see it as a free speech issue right?

Isnt the same person who vetoed the last one still in charge in Arizona?

Im sure she will veto again but do they have a way to negate the veto? (honestly if there was I doubt they wouldnt have tried to last time)

smellyboye said:
I guess I assumed this was already hosted in Sweden or something. Even the current supreme court would surely see it as a free speech issue right?

Doubt it. Even though the purpose (punish porn sites and users of them) is obvious, it doesn't explicitly limit speech. The precedent of id checks for brick-and-mortar establishments like strip clubs and sex toy shops could also be used to justify the legality of the law. And that's not even touching arguments of "state's rights" or "think of the children" or "moral decay."

Paranoid people were right once again... how tiring.

Prepare to move to a country where literally nobody cares about your website anyway. Meanwhile set up torrent repository of compressed (and encrypted?) archives so that quick personal backups are possible.

Archive images, video, flash and gifs separately. Divide them by some basic tags like gender and sex/no-sex. Add tag data for each file in separate archive (to reduce critical backups' size). Forget about accounts, forums, comments, everything that is not visual content.

You can figure it out, but my advice is to do it all now instead of maybe later if bill passes. Why? Because if it passes you likely won't have much time.

Better to have plan ready and then execute than have no plan at all. Assume bill is going to pass eventually. Would be good if whole idea was forgotten, but control is more important looks like. Anyway, better to start doing it all now, so that if it passes, you're all set and if doesn't you're ready anyway.

P.S. Regardless of politics, if this site will need age verification I'm out.
P.P.S. Told you y'all need to be concerned for e621.

every few years or so it seems there has always been some new evangelical bill, some new existential threat to this site or even the wider internet. a lot of this was just conservative lip service that rarely achieved anything, but since the ideological tail is now wagging the dog, things are getting a bit dicey for little ol' esix.
of course, it should not have to be this way. dealing with this shit over and over again - it is a constant stress.

Well if there's one consistent voice in this thread it's this: it is time that e621 switched hosting to a safer country.

in the future, if china fixed up its act of sniping porn sites, we would be much more stable hosting there. to a lot of you this may seem a bit odd. i have my reasons, and they are good reasons, but i do not have the patience or fortitude to explain how societal progress works in china to a site full of mostly americans with Biases™ so i'll just write this: we're keeping our options open, and you never know what could happen. end paragraph

in the meantime, estonia, switzerland, ireland are all contenders i thought up just now... take your pick

hausemaster said:

in the meantime, estonia, switzerland, ireland are all contenders i thought up just now... take your pick

Ah yes stable
Like how switzerland banned e6

bobbot said:
my guess, when it blows up in their faces in a publicly nuclear mannor 20 or so times so joe normie gets it thru their head too.
they dont care they are setting up the mother of all targets for doxxers, blackmailers, and more likely think it will only impact the 'right' people.

people really need to look at how this kinda crap went when blizzard tried this with their early real id system, spoiler alert someone got doxxed hard when they tried to prove it was safe.

Blows up you say? :evilgrin: 😈 https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/calea-was-a-national-security-disaster-waiting-to-happen
I'm surprised this type of stuff doesn't end up getting hijacked like that more often.

justkhajiit said:
Paranoid people were right once again... how tiring.

Prepare to move to a country where literally nobody cares about your website anyway. Meanwhile set up torrent repository of compressed (and encrypted?) archives so that quick personal backups are possible.

Archive images, video, flash and gifs separately. Divide them by some basic tags like gender and sex/no-sex. Add tag data for each file in separate archive (to reduce critical backups' size). Forget about accounts, forums, comments, everything that is not visual content.

You can figure it out, but my advice is to do it all now instead of maybe later if bill passes. Why? Because if it passes you likely won't have much time.

Better to have plan ready and then execute than have no plan at all. Assume bill is going to pass eventually. Would be good if whole idea was forgotten, but control is more important looks like. Anyway, better to start doing it all now, so that if it passes, you're all set and if doesn't you're ready anyway.

P.S. Regardless of politics, if this site will need age verification I'm out.
P.P.S. Told you y'all need to be concerned for e621.

This is precisely why DB Export was setup. You can just grab your several TBs of backups, a recent database dump you had, and presto, you duplicated the posts, their tags, tag aliases/implications, and pretty much everything but comments and other things specific to users. e621 is specifically designed to prevent sudden loss of metadata like happened with What.CD (a true tragedy).

As far as playing Whack-a-Mole with countries... there comes a point where venue shopping encourages less centralization. But decentralization leads to less efficiency. :/

snpthecat said:
Ah yes stable
Like how switzerland banned e6

Didn't they walk back on that after the human/humanoid lolisho ban?

I hope the backup plan isn't just a realocation for another US state, who know if that one will have a bill like that too and it keeps happening...

alphamule said:
This is precisely why DB Export was setup. You can just grab your several TBs of backups, a recent database dump you had, and presto, you duplicated the posts, their tags, tag aliases/implications, and pretty much everything but comments and other things specific to users. e621 is specifically designed to prevent sudden loss of metadata like happened with What.CD (a true tragedy).

Tricky part is getting those backups. Even with virtually uncapped (if such exists) connection, scraping/downloading posts one by one is horribly inefficient. It is fine for several thousand posts, probably several tens or hundreds thousands. E621 has 5 million.

Part of those 5M are videos and flash/interactive content. IIRC they might be taking up to 30-50% (forgot what) of current 9TB. So, downloading only images, we are down to roughly 5TB which is still an absolutely monstrous amount of data to go through post by post.

Issue is not so much storage space (well, it is and a big one for most people) as time and efficiency of downloading everything.

Re: decentralization and efficiency. That is true, but if choice is between efficiency and website/archive survival, latter is preferred

regsmutt said:
Doubt it. Even though the purpose (punish porn sites and users of them) is obvious, it doesn't explicitly limit speech. The precedent of id checks for brick-and-mortar establishments like strip clubs and sex toy shops could also be used to justify the legality of the law. And that's not even touching arguments of "state's rights" or "think of the children" or "moral decay."

Anytime a politician says "public health" or "for the children" (or something along those lines); it's pretty much guaranteed that it's not. Much like how the "war on drugs" wasn't really a public health issue (though it was touted as such) but really because the federal government felt that the drug dealers and such weren't paying their "fair share" in taxes.

More on topic....It's almost always about money: in this case, I'm thinking that some PAC threw enough money at the politicians to get this put back on the docket. It's also my expectation that this falls under "doing something" to whomever is responsible for said money.

Just going to leave this here:

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

I wouldn’t be too worried.

thisorthat said:
Just going to leave this here:

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

I wouldn’t be too worried.

These laws have already been passing across the country for quite a while...

thisorthat said:
Just going to leave this here:

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

I wouldn’t be too worried.

tha'd be a somewhat convincing argument if there weren't already several states who had enacted these kinds of laws and went unchallenged.

dba_afish said:
I mean, the problem is that this is bill passing would be a privacy violation and, in order to protest it, people would essentially need to give up that privacy that they're seeking to have protected. it's kind of a Catch-22...

We could try to get popufurs whose IRL identity is already known anyways to spread awareness.

dba_afish said:
not many of us live in Phoenix, AZ (or within driving distance) and fewer have the free time to throw into protesting, and fewer still would want to risk the potential social suicide of protesting something related to pornography, especially when it's a bill claiming to be aimed at protecting children.

Can't we just pay people to protest for us and pay them with sandwiches and soda à la Mexican politics?