Topic: New age verification bill?

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Furry Birb

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Republicans working hard to attempt personal information gathering on everyone now that the Lyin King is in office.

I would rather have had 4 more years of Biden instead of Orange Mussolini. Mr 'Grab Them By The Kitty'. Mr 30,573 false or misleading claims.
Yes, Trump The Despot averaged 21 lies a day during his first 4 years.

And yet every brain-damaged idiot in this country voted him in again, because he said 'Don't trust the news; Trust me'. Just like another piece of shit with a tiny moustache over in Germany that one time.

flaminhotcheatoes

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https://www.newsweek.com/republican-senator-pushes-law-effectively-outlaw-online-porn-nationwide-1767819
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/jd-vance-porn-ban-week-in-patriarchy

We're living in the worst timeline right now and has been since the election results in November. Dems warned voters about the impact of Mr.T's second term, everyone saw what happened on January 6th, Bernie told us that the US is becoming a oligarchy for years and what happened afterwards: The country voted for the wrong person all because they thought groceries were getting expensive. Now we're going to face protests, corporation boycotts, government cuts and layoffs, a potential recession, and fears about WWIII. Thanks Mr. T, hope this political forum thread gets locked after this comment gets posted.

Aspy dragon

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flaminhotcheatoes said:
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-senator-pushes-law-effectively-outlaw-online-porn-nationwide-1767819
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/jd-vance-porn-ban-week-in-patriarchy

We're living in the worst timeline right now and has been since the election results in November. Dems warned voters about the impact of Mr.T's second term, everyone saw what happened on January 6th, Bernie told us that the US is becoming a oligarchy for years and what happened afterwards: The country voted for the wrong person all because they thought groceries were getting expensive. Now we're going to face protests, corporation boycotts, government cuts and layoffs, a potential recession, and fears about WWIII. Thanks Mr. T, hope this political forum thread gets locked after this comment gets posted.

I’ve been saying this for a while, but the prequels warned us about this bullshit, history warned us, and yet millions of Americans thought “OrAnGe MaN mAkE eCoNoMy GoOdEr” whilst breathing through their mouths, their last two braincells fighting for third place. I just hope these same mouthbreating chucklefucks get disillusioned and learn from their mistake. However your average MAGA has an iq lower than 70 so I doubt that’s gonna happen. Just remember to keep fighting these fascists.

JustKhajiit

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flaminhotcheatoes said:
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-senator-pushes-law-effectively-outlaw-online-porn-nationwide-1767819
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/jd-vance-porn-ban-week-in-patriarchy

Old articles but regardless, looks like if e621 staff won't work on setting up an immediate move out of USA on a shortest possible notice, then all we have left is to make personal backups. People knew, people were warned, people thought "nah, can't happen in the USA of all places".

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dba afish

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kadachi-kun said:
FYI, both of these articles are a couple years old.
I'm not saying the situation has since improved – just wanted to mention that they don't provide the most up-to-date information.

it is worth noting that one of the people those articles was about is currently the vice president.

KathYohneke

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so is no one gonna answer the question asked earlier of whats stopping the same person who is still in charge of Arizona who vetoed it the first time from doing it again? and is it possible for the veto to be negated?

Kadachi-kun

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dba_afish said:
it is worth noting that one of the people those articles was about is currently the vice president.

No need to be a smartass.

regsmutt

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kathyohneke said:
so is no one gonna answer the question asked earlier of whats stopping the same person who is still in charge of Arizona who vetoed it the first time from doing it again? and is it possible for the veto to be negated?

I do not live in Arizona so I do not know if there are different political pressures that may make vetoing the bill a less desirable option for the governor.
In Arizona a veto can be overturned by a two-thirds vote by the house and senate- 60/90 seats. Currently, 27 of the house and 13 of the senate seats are held by Democrats for a total of 40. This means that if vetoed, and the vote is strictly divided by party lines, the veto will not be overturned.

dba afish

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kathyohneke said:
so is no one gonna answer the question asked earlier of whats stopping the same person who is still in charge of Arizona who vetoed it the first time from doing it again? and is it possible for the veto to be negated?

as said earlier in the thread, she's not going to be governor forever. and it's also just be generally preferable that the law just didn't even get to the point where it needed to be vetoed.

Watsit

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kathyohneke said:
so is no one gonna answer the question asked earlier of whats stopping the same person who is still in charge of Arizona who vetoed it the first time from doing it again? and is it possible for the veto to be negated?

No and yes. The governor can veto it again, and the veto can be overridden with enough votes by the state legislature (for Arizona, it's 2/3rds, or 66% of those elected (elected, essentially meaning that anyone that isn't present to vote or doesn't vote either way, counts against overriding the veto)).

dba_afish said:
it is worth noting that one of the people those articles was about is currently the vice president.

Who doesn't have the power to make laws or put forth bills, nor can he sign them into law (unless the president is unable to do his duties, where the vice president steps in in his stead). At best he can make suggestions, like he has and anyone can do, but a bill would still need to be proposed and go through the house and senate like normal.

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SkyCorp

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kadachi-kun said:
Both of these articles are a couple years old.
Just FYI.

I am sad to say it is indeed coming back for a third attempt at the US federal level. Article from earlier today: https://www.xbiz.com/news/287421/sen-mike-lee-renews-push-for-federal-av-legislation

Please write your congress critters, especially if they're on the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee. (I wrote mine!) You can also write to the committee as a whole. They need to know this is unpopular, the AV companies are lobbying for this hard on the other side.

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Boxfo

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honestly at this point idk why anyone is still trying to operate in the us the morons you elected have made it pretty fucking clear they want to drag the whole damn world kicking and screaming back to the fucking middle ages I say if they wanna live in the stone age fucking let them cut them out like the malignant tumor they are

tester29

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indigohowl said:
In a word: Sad. I have recollections of such attempts in the past, but have never successfully stood; I have sympathy for those caught in the middle (like e621).

While it might have been made with good intentions, it's really difficult to make it work. I already don't use cloud storage (and limit other logins) because the privacy of my identity and data are important to me...and I'm simply not going to do it.

Even if you try to argue good intentions it still makes almost no sense because the internet is not a bookstore where you can just ask people of ID cards if they wanna look at age limited stories, how in the heavens is this going to work out for people who live outside of the US?

This shit reminds me of the palworld discord fiasco where the owner of the channel wanted age vertification throught a safe bot and it was revealed that its literally him checking the ID's, dude had enough data to sell for good money on the darkweb!

Hiad

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I think E621 needs to seriously reconsider relocating somehow. I'm not a website owner so I don't really know how any of this shit works, but I think having my site threatened again and again with proposed legislation would make me start considering other hosting options.

But hey if the bill passes and E621 forces us to provide ID, it won't be the first time they've betrayed their users because that's the way the wind was blowing that day.

crazysquid

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hiad said:
I think E621 needs to seriously reconsider relocating somehow. I'm not a website owner so I don't really know how any of this shit works, but I think having my site threatened again and again with proposed legislation would make me start considering other hosting options.

But hey if the bill passes and E621 forces us to provide ID, it won't be the first time they've betrayed their users because that's the way the wind was blowing that day.

except they have explicitly said everytime this has happend that they dont want to do that ive seen several people say they are looking at other options just cant say anything publicly and ngl while this site has made bad decisions in the past this would be all on the government and im sure they are looking to move the servers but that isnt easy direct your anger at the goverment that keeps trying to pass these shitty laws and speak out while it will keep happening hopefully itll get vetoed again this time anyway

Donovan DMC

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hiad said:
But hey if the bill passes and E621 forces us to provide ID, it won't be the first time they've betrayed their users because that's the way the wind was blowing that day.

That isn't going to happen, not to mention it's insanely expensive but e6 would likely lose >95% of its audience, the site would die the second ID verification was required

Casmin7~

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hiad said:
I think E621 needs to seriously reconsider relocating somehow. I'm not a website owner so I don't really know how any of this shit works, but I think having my site threatened again and again with proposed legislation would make me start considering other hosting options.

But hey if the bill passes and E621 forces us to provide ID, it won't be the first time they've betrayed their users because that's the way the wind was blowing that day.

This question was asked earlier in the thread:

donovan_dmc said:
If it were to go through the servers would be presumably relocated (maybe even the entire headquarters eventually), identity verification is prohibitively expensive and definitely not something BD would take on

Hell, even pornhub is still blocking texas, they refuse to comply with laws as written despite having an age verification process (albeit one that I'm sure doesn't qualify for the law)

If the porn site won't add identity verification because of dumb laws, I don't see a smaller site doing so either (especially considered the hub isn't headquartered in Texas, that would be a very different story,)

Basically complying with the Identity verification, as Donovan DMC pointed out again above me, is not something that is a viable option.

E621 simply would stop existing overnight if everyone left. It needs us to be here to exist. Not even to mention doing this process is so expensive in the first place.

So the only options would be to either shut the site down or move server locations.

No-one-you-know

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Good thing the filibuster exists, though I don't have faith democrats would actually do it considering the whole "protect the children" aspect of this, a lot of them probably agree with it and either don't know or don't care about the consequences

KathYohneke

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you know while were on the topic of these rediculous laws. anybody whos in areas where these age verification laws exists (various states, UK, etc) have you encountered ANY website that requested those IDs or have they all universally ether just hoped they wouldnt get noticed or blocked access to those areas outside of VPNs? cause I havent heard of a single adult website that has. not that I really would know many outside of furry circles.

Donovan DMC

Former Staff

kathyohneke said:
you know while were on the topic of these rediculous laws. anybody whos in areas where these age verification laws exists (various states, UK, etc) have you encountered ANY website that requested those IDs or have they all universally ether just hoped they wouldnt get noticed or blocked access to those areas outside of VPNs? cause I havent heard of a single adult website that has. not that I really would know many outside of furry circles.

I know of at least one site doing each (for Texas at least):

lurkingfox

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May I request that the news header only ask residents of Arizona to contact their state senators? It appears that website takes addresses to try to match people with their particular state senator - which means it will likely not forward submissions from those outside Arizona. (It might also collect info to call upon later if their local state is doing something, but that's not as relevant for e6.)

Relatedly, if the address request makes you hesitate, you may want to use a nearby address in the same state senate district (map). This won't work if your contact critter is meticulous enough to check for your voter registration though.

Ideally, we'd want people in close districts, like 2, 4, 9, 13, 16, 17, 23 (which are north Phoenix and some areas to its south), if someone were to make that sort of really hyper-targeted campaign.

Donovan DMC

Former Staff

kathyohneke said:
honestly xhamster is the only website I heard of actually following the rule, and I barely even heard of it till now.

Same, haven't seen any other site actually have a process for this
I'm sure these sites do have some kind of verification process but it's probably similar to the hub and e6's processes, a photo of your face, your ID, and your username which is reviewed by a human at the site, and would likely not pass any legal scrutiny

Donovan DMC

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yetanotheraiuser said:
No hard block expect the question do you really have legal age. Site detects me as outside of US, used VPN is also outside of US.

Are you in Texas? If not, you're obviously not going to see what I'm seeing, especially if you're using some vpn

Midnite-Sunrise

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If this passes it's going to be a very depressing day as someone who makes ample use of the archives here to just.. lose access to the entirety of e621.

I use it to find new artists, I use it to find art I like -- porn or otherwise. I use it to find amazing art of characters with design choices I had never considered to inspire my own work. I live in AZ and if this happens -- it's likely E6 will just move servers, ... and then I'll just be unable to access the site at all it seems, which is agony. I sincerely hope the governor vetoes it again.

I fucking hate our government.

IndigoHowl

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donovan_dmc said:
I know of at least one site doing each (for Texas at least):

I can't say that I honestly know one way or the other where I live. And while it's been a while, I've never into problems setting up accounts as various sites...but then again, I've never tried to gain more than basic level of access.

flaminhotcheatoes

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aspy_dragon said:
I’ve been saying this for a while, but the prequels warned us about this bullshit, history warned us, and yet millions of Americans thought “OrAnGe MaN mAkE eCoNoMy GoOdEr” whilst breathing through their mouths, their last two braincells fighting for third place. I just hope these same mouthbreating chucklefucks get disillusioned and learn from their mistake. However your average MAGA has an iq lower than 70 so I doubt that’s gonna happen. Just remember to keep fighting these fascists.

T**** voters are starting to regret voting for him ever since he won. Feels like the resistance is growing day by day.

IndigoHowl

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flaminhotcheatoes said:
T**** voters are starting to regret voting for him ever since he won. Feels like the resistance is growing day by day.

You should probably check the poll numbers....they disagree with you.

dba afish

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indigohowl said:
You should probably check the poll numbers....they disagree with you.

while his approval:disapproval ratio is currently still slightly positive, his approval is sub 50, and, at current trends, it seems like that ratio won't remain positive for long.

Casmin7~

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Can we spend one day here without derailing and making it political?

It got veto'd last year by the current leader whose still in charge so most likely will get veto'd again right?

Just need to make your sure your voice is heard. That's really the more important thing here as compared to arguing amongst ourselves.

It also has not passed through both Committees or Chambers yet, it can still be prevented.

SNPtheCat

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casmin7~ said:
Can we spend one day here without derailing and making it political?

Is the bill not inherently political?

Donovan DMC

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snpthecat said:
Is the bill not inherently political?

That doesn't mean everyone should devolve into political shit flinging

KathYohneke

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casmin7~ said:
Can we spend one day here without derailing and making it political?

It got veto'd last year by the current leader whose still in charge so most likely will get veto'd again right?

Just need to make your sure your voice is heard. That's really the more important thing here as compared to arguing amongst ourselves.

It also has not passed through both Committees or Chambers yet, it can still be prevented.

problem is as discussed the person who vetoed it before wont be there forever, and after checking the seats in Arizona have shifted a bit with the side who want the bill slightly larger than the side that 'potentially' doesn't. if enough of the hopefully no side gets a little too "think of the children!" the veto can be negated. Also there is another bill, the SCREEN act, that, while keeps failing every time he throws it out there, has been thrown out there again which would basically make age verificaion the law of the land America wide regardless of where you are and they have much more control now.

In other words. dispite the likely veto again there is still a lot to worry about all around and one of these days something may make it through.

The site owners really should look into moving the site outside of the states somewhere safer

Sharck

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e6 should've moved servers elsewhere years ago. Do it now before it's too late, to a whole different country - they'd love to make this a federal law, and you-know-who will likely be on their side.
These old, dishonest pricks are gonna keep trying this every year until they get their way. They dgaf about the consequences. Erasing pornography and art is the point, and it's going to get worse.

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NekoIsopods

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American conservatives see slurs and literal Nazi content online as "free speech" but not e6 and other porn sites. 🤦

Versperus

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Congratulations, ya'll have lost your privilege to talk about this here as you stopped talking about it to go on political rants and blame games about the right and left.
Do not make a new forum; it will also be locked, and I'll hand out records if you do.