There is no such thing as a perfect ally; everyone is going to have something that you don't like.

It makes me deeply concerned that we are fighting so fiercely with one another instead of focusing on the issue at hand, its causes, and potential solutions.

I'm out of the loop. Even if the revenue generated by the site is going to a business legally-considered to be located in AZ, aren't the contents of the bill just that adult sites are required to force Arizonans to present ID? Ergo, someone viewing from across the world or the next state over would be unaffected, and E6 would just have to do like pornhub and everywhere else will in implementing an ID check system for connection requests that come from AZ IPs? Or is management fundamentally against the idea of hitting anyone with an ID request altogether, to the point of taking greater action instead?

wwwwwwwww said:
I'm out of the loop. Even if the revenue generated by the site is going to a business legally-considered to be located in AZ, aren't the contents of the bill just that adult sites are required to force Arizonans to present ID? Ergo, someone viewing from across the world or the next state over would be unaffected, and E6 would just have to do like pornhub and everywhere else will in implementing an ID check system for connection requests that come from AZ IPs? Or is management fundamentally against the idea of hitting anyone with an ID request altogether, to the point of taking greater action instead?

I don't think you can just impose ID requirements on residents of AZ and completely de-risk. I think persons in another state might have a "right of action" (the right to sue) even if they live in another state. You can generally sue a business entity in the state of incorporation and / or the state in which they maintain their principal place of business, since the corporation is considered a resident of that state. PornHub is a billion dollar Canadian company; they have access to lawyers on a whole different level, so it's not the same situation.

Plus, the law hits harder if the company that is being sued does not even try to impose ID requirements. In those cases, the penalty can be $10K a day on top of the $250K penalty for a single case of a minor accessing the site. Damages can quickly get into the millions under this law for a single case.

It seems like the owners of the site are talking to lawyers and starting to implement a plan, which is exactly what they should be doing. I wouldn't worry about the details for now. We'll know more soon.

wwwwwwwww said:
I'm out of the loop. Even if the revenue generated by the site is going to a business legally-considered to be located in AZ, aren't the contents of the bill just that adult sites are required to force Arizonans to present ID? Ergo, someone viewing from across the world or the next state over would be unaffected, and E6 would just have to do like pornhub and everywhere else will in implementing an ID check system for connection requests that come from AZ IPs? Or is management fundamentally against the idea of hitting anyone with an ID request altogether, to the point of taking greater action instead?

The bill would make it so anyone (at least in America) would have to provide ID as this was a federal bill.

Pornhub, at least to my knowledge, doesn't enforce ID verification. They instead just block ips from states and countries that have such laws. That says a lot when big P would rather just block locations that give in to ID enforcement.

And above all else, yes, e6 is against IDing people, especially since by law now they MUST do this via a 3rd party who they have no sway over and can't guarantee the safety of people's privacy.

crimson-0384 said:
We need mental asylums to come back to cure all the TDS afflicted people

An yes. Because people talking about the orange fascist wanting a third term, and the republiklansmen attempting to silence freedom of expression, is 'TDS'.
Yet more minimizing from small-minded people trying to either stir shit or protect their fatass dictator.

'TDS' is just a phrase invented by republicunts to insult, belittle, and dismiss people talking about real issues that Lump and the republicon party want to hide.

joeyski said:
The thing is, he literally cannot run for a third term. Even if there were some people who wanted to, there are plenty of sane minded individuals who don't want that, regardless of party.

I mean. I also used to think 'People cannot storm the capital' and 'Not even a republicunt would attempt a coup'.
And then Jan 6th, 2021 happened.

The thing about dictators gaining power is that they don't follow the rules. And he has a large following, what with the majority of republiklans and the lowest of the low-IQs in the country gobbling his tiny knob.
I'd rather assume these un-American shitstains can instead of sticking my head in the sand and hoping it all works out.

crimson-0384 said:
We need mental asylums to come back to cure all the TDS afflicted people

honestly, imagine being so intellectually bankrupt your only argument for people saying your guy might be bad actually is that they've got a made up fucking brain disease.

why do we even try to teach people about fallacies in school if, like, half of the population're just gonna use them with gay abandon and refuse introspection.

donkdewd said:
$250K penalty for a single case of a minor accessing the site.

lmfao what? me and my friends had all discovered free online vpns back when we were kids in the 2000s. whether or not there's a popup asking for state ID, especially in this day and age, tens of thousands of persons who shouldn't be perusing adult content are still going to be doing so on a daily basis. do they just expect porn companies to fork over 250K every time some hick calls the statehouse saying their kid saw boobs on nord vpn?

burning_house said:
The bill would make it so anyone (at least in America) would have to provide ID as this was a federal bill.

Pornhub, at least to my knowledge, doesn't enforce ID verification. They instead just block ips from states and countries that have such laws. That says a lot when big P would rather just block locations that give in to ID enforcement.

And above all else, yes, e6 is against IDing people, especially since by law now they MUST do this via a 3rd party who they have no sway over and can't guarantee the safety of people's privacy.

got it. so the long and short of it is essentially american-based porn companies are just SOL, and foreign-based porn companies can no longer operate in the US? sounds like big news for more than e6 if true

wwwwwwwww said:
do they just expect porn companies to fork over 250K every time some hick calls the statehouse saying their kid saw boobs on nord vpn?

no, they expect them to fold, to stop doing business in the state entirely. because risking this punishment is not worth it for pretty much anyone.

wwwwwwwww said:
do they just expect porn companies to fork over 250K every time some hick calls the statehouse saying their kid saw boobs on nord vpn?

It's not about protecting the children or making money.
It's about controlling what people see, and erasing anything they don't like.

Going after porn is an easy first step because 'think of the children!', but it won't stop there.
There will be another step. And another. All designed to sound reasonable and 'for the good of everyone'. Until there's nothing in any media but government-approved bullshit controlled by the Reich-wing party.

the admins should drop the "apolitical" shtick.

burning_house said:
The bill would make it so anyone (at least in America) would have to provide ID as this was a federal bill.

Not a federal bill, a state bill. Federal government has no age verification laws, at this time anyway.

This bill is a bill of Arizona's state government.

wwwwwwwww said:
lmfao what? me and my friends had all discovered free online vpns back when we were kids in the 2000s. whether or not there's a popup asking for state ID, especially in this day and age, tens of thousands of persons who shouldn't be perusing adult content are still going to be doing so on a daily basis. do they just expect porn companies to fork over 250K every time some hick calls the statehouse saying their kid saw boobs on nord vpn?

got it. so the long and short of it is essentially american-based porn companies are just SOL, and foreign-based porn companies can no longer operate in the US? sounds like big news for more than e6 if true

That's the funniest part of it all. All the law really does is make things inconvenient for legal adults (and a stepping stone for greater government overreach and censorship). But the reality is any kid that has the knowledge that porn can be viewed on the internet has the knowledge to get a free VPN to access said content regardless of the local laws. What's ultimately going to happen when they make the connection that VPNs bypass the law entirely VPNs will start to become illegal most likely. Just another step forward in the march to a totalitarian dictatorship.

wwwwwwwww said:
lmfao what? me and my friends had all discovered free online vpns back when we were kids in the 2000s. whether or not there's a popup asking for state ID, especially in this day and age, tens of thousands of persons who shouldn't be perusing adult content are still going to be doing so on a daily basis. do they just expect porn companies to fork over 250K every time some hick calls the statehouse saying their kid saw boobs on nord vpn?

got it. so the long and short of it is essentially american-based porn companies are just SOL, and foreign-based porn companies can no longer operate in the US? sounds like big news for more than e6 if true

not the entirety of the IS, just states that have ID laws and if they refuse to comply. But it's becoming a growing trend in country as of late.

All of this just makes me feel ill...

If relocating the servers would cost a lot why not hold a fundraiser

Given how long this has been going on, it's a wonder why preparations weren't already being made to migrate services outside of the state in the event this bill was is allowed to pass.

That option is still on the table, and it'd cost far less than what the bill is going to fine businesses over. You could also just IP block the entire state of Arizona.

black-eyebill said:
Given how long this has been going on, it's a wonder why preparations weren't already being made to migrate services outside of the state in the event this bill was is allowed to pass.

That option is still on the table, and it'd cost far less than what the bill is going to fine businesses over. You could also just IP block the entire state of Arizona.

The thing is, they already had plans for it should the bill pass. They weren't sitting on their ass the whole time since the last time.

arcthewolf said:
That's the funniest part of it all. All the law really does is make things inconvenient for legal adults (and a stepping stone for greater government overreach and censorship). But the reality is any kid that has the knowledge that porn can be viewed on the internet has the knowledge to get a free VPN to access said content regardless of the local laws. What's ultimately going to happen when they make the connection that VPNs bypass the law entirely VPNs will start to become illegal most likely. Just another step forward in the march to a totalitarian dictatorship.

That's gonna be the trainwreck if it does indeed occur. Strangely through, VPN's being all popular as of now, I would've thouhht otherwise...

Regardless, I am gonna be of the belief that they might not. Even so, save all your funky furry stuff. Why I ignored lazy folks back then who didn't want to save anything because "it's all gonna be fine" or whatever other buzzword they use.

Have I responded to this thread yet? I don't think I have... I really wish we could get the rest of the world to care about this, but it feels like the average person doesn't care about free speech and censorship anymore in this day and age. It's not even clear where to spread the message to get people to care. Needless to say, I don't want to see this community die, and selfishly, I really don't want to see over a decade of my own history on this site just thrown away... I'd feel a bit lost without this place. And if this place gets sold, I hope we don't end up with "all feral eevees are minors and not allowed"-type nonsense. _{Also, at least at first, there was a small disillusion low self-esteem voice in me that wondered if the governor somehow saw my last second message to her and I did such a shitty job defending my stance that it flipped their opinion, even though that doesn't even begin to make sense...}

crocogator said:
I really wish we could get the rest of the world to care about this

We can't do much lol, people needed to go and vote even if one of the sides isn't much better but at least they weren't making bills to ban porn lol.

Still e621 administration says they have a plan so let's wait for an announcement or something before panicking, worst case there are some places that has been backing stuff from there for some time, bit selfish in my case but Manmosu Marimo is safe for example lol.

notknow said:
so let's wait for an announcement or something before panicking

Yeah, you're right...

donovan_dmc said:
It's happening in the state where e6 is located, it doesn't matter where anyone is

It it came down to it, I'd put forward money to help move it. I'd sure a lot of others would contribute as well.
Though I also know it's not just about money, but money does mean more options and resources.

notknow said:
Still e621 administration says they have a plan so let's wait for an announcement or something before panicking...

It would still be wise to backup your favourites or anything you like now since announcements on policy changes can come a tad bit suddenly (e.g., topic #45501).
You never know if the solution would involve mass purging of artwork to adhere to "changes in the political and legal environment" in order to ensure the survival of the site.
People should also consider that should we choose to move to another state, they may or may not be as accommodating towards certain types of content.

thegreatwolfgang said:
It would still be wise to backup your favourites or anything you like now since announcements on policy changes can come a tad bit suddenly (e.g., topic #45501).
You never know if the solution would involve mass purging of artwork to adhere to "changes in the political and legal environment" in order to ensure the survival of the site.
People should also consider that should we choose to move to another state, they may or may not be as accommodating towards certain types of content.

comparing a set of <1% of posts to ~73% of posts is wild

not a lawyer, just really really stupid.

think we could get away with a variation of the tactic big companies use and abuse arbitration laws? if the 'by visiting this site you agree to wave your right to sue use and settle your dispute via arbitration' bs worked for disny, sony, microsoft, and nintendo why wouldnt it work for bad dragon? as long as they dont drag the arbitration case to california it should be good right?

bobbot said:
not a lawyer, just really really stupid.

think we could get away with a variation of the tactic big companies use and abuse arbitration laws? if the 'by visiting this site you agree to wave your right to sue use and settle your dispute via arbitration' bs worked for disny, sony, microsoft, and nintendo why wouldnt it work for bad dragon? as long as they dont drag the arbitration case to california it should be good right?

Contracts are not legally binding for minors

donovan_dmc said:
Contracts are not legally binding for minors

your right on the minor part, the reason i threw this out there was i was remembering a stunt that disney pulled where someone died due to anaphalatic shock and got out of it because of arbitration via an unrelated service, by having it in a eula (that most people dont read) as part of a click thru to acess the site you could get the parent that way when they visit the site to see what it is. well cant blame this idiot for trying.

bobbot said:
your right on the minor part, the reason i threw this out there was i was remembering a stunt that disney pulled where someone died due to anaphalatic shock and got out of it because of arbitration via an unrelated service, by having it in a eula (that most people dont read) as part of a click thru to acess the site you could get the parent that way when they visit the site to see what it is. well cant blame this idiot for trying.

I'm pretty sure a lot of that kinda stuff is also unenforceable anyway. although, the Disneyland/Disney+ wrongful death forced arbitration thing was particularly blatantly bogus since they were trying to say the agreement for one service could be extrapolated to apply to an entirely other almost entirely unrelated service.

black-eyebill said:
Given how long this has been going on, it's a wonder why preparations weren't already being made to migrate services outside of the state in the event this bill was is allowed to pass.

That option is still on the table, and it'd cost far less than what the bill is going to fine businesses over. You could also just IP block the entire state of Arizona.

IP blocks are already in place for Texas and the other states that implemented ID Requirements AFAIK, so Arizona will likely follow suit.

bobbot said:
your right on the minor part, the reason i threw this out there was i was remembering a stunt that disney pulled where someone died due to anaphalatic shock and got out of it because of arbitration via an unrelated service, by having it in a eula (that most people dont read) as part of a click thru to acess the site you could get the parent that way when they visit the site to see what it is. well cant blame this idiot for trying.

Disney backed out of that attempt, and they were likely going to lose it and they knew it. (Which is probably why they dropped it.) All it did was put even more egg on Disneys face and put Forced Arbitration Clauses into a limelight.

renadyne said:
IP blocks are already in place for Texas and the other states that implemented ID Requirements AFAIK, so Arizona will likely follow suit.

the site would still need to be moved out of state or it'd still be liable for any potential uneraged users who got access through alternative means. when they're out of state and a user bypasses the block, DFV would probably be seen as not operating within the state. if the site is being literally, physically operated from within the state, you can't really make that same argument; even if they tried to stop AZ users from viewing the content, they'd be operating within the state and be subject to its laws.

no-one-you-know said:
If relocating the servers would cost a lot why not hold a fundraiser

i support the idea

crocogator said:
_{Also, at least at first, there was a small disillusion low self-esteem voice in me that wondered if the governor somehow saw my last second message to her and I did such a shitty job defending my stance that it flipped their opinion, even though that doesn't even begin to make sense...}

No, it's definitely your fault, HOW COULD YOU?!?!?! :(

Wait, if the bill were to pass then what of users who don’t live in the US, I live in Europe so would we be required to do the verification as well?

teyar said:
You're a collaborator for the murderers coming for us. You're on the list same as the rest. Stop pretending otherwise.

When two groups of people really really hate each other, they spend far more time siloed off into their own little echo chambers telling stories about how horrible the other side is, than actually engaging with their opposites. Like all memes, the stories mutate, and the most evocative mutations spread to become the new baseline that further mutations build off of, growing ever more distant from reality.

I live in a country with more than two viable parties, and it's amazing how much sanity that brings to politics. "Don't vote for them, they're evil incarnate" is less effective when you can respond "I won't be voting for you, either, if that's how you try to win me over", and still have at least one option left. Even if I bought into your claim that there will eventually be a list, and that attempted mass murder of undesirables wouldn't unite the left, centre, and even centre-right in opposition, much less see your own military rejecting it as an unlawful order, I'm not at risk. Fear shuts down your brain's ability to reason, to think critically about what you're hearing, so an argument so clearly founded in fear will always be suspect.

eranormus said:
i support the idea

Yeah that's actually a pretty good idea.

daeeb1a said:
When two groups of people really really hate each other, they spend far more time siloed off into their own little echo chambers telling stories about how horrible the other side is, than actually engaging with their opposites. Like all memes, the stories mutate, and the most evocative mutations spread to become the new baseline that further mutations build off of, growing ever more distant from reality.

I live in a country with more than two viable parties, and it's amazing how much sanity that brings to politics. "Don't vote for them, they're evil incarnate" is less effective when you can respond "I won't be voting for you, either, if that's how you try to win me over", and still have at least one option left. Even if I bought into your claim that there will eventually be a list, and that attempted mass murder of undesirables wouldn't unite the left, centre, and even centre-right in opposition, much less see your own military rejecting it as an unlawful order, I'm not at risk. Fear shuts down your brain's ability to reason, to think critically about what you're hearing, so an argument so clearly founded in fear will always be suspect.

i also live in a country with several left,center, and right wing parties and i can confirm that the republican party is not just rightwing, its the rightwing that makes most rightwing parties unconfortable

its current leadership is irredeemably evil

eranormus said:
i also live in a country with several left,center, and right wing parties and i can confirm that the republican party is not just rightwing, its the rightwing that makes most rightwing parties unconfortable

its current leadership is irredeemably evil

Going to note, and I've seen a lot of these types of statements; demonizing Republicans and conservatives isn't going to get anything done. In fact, there's more people than you'd think who lean that way for understandable (and often non-idpol related) reasons.

anon55317 said:
Going to note, and I've seen a lot of these types of statements; demonizing Republicans and conservatives isn't going to get anything done. In fact, there's more people than you'd think who lean that way for understandable (and often non-idpol related) reasons.

notice that i said the leadership

eranormus said:
i also live in a country with several left,center, and right wing parties and i can confirm that the republican party is not just rightwing, its the rightwing that makes most rightwing parties unconfortable

its current leadership is irredeemably evil

It's quite sad how we spent two World Wars defeating corrupt countries, and now look at us. We're the corrupt country.

foxywiththemoxy said:
Wait, if the bill were to pass then what of users who don’t live in the US, I live in Europe so would we be required to do the verification as well?

Not "if", the Arizona age verification bill has already been passed and enacted. The law takes effect 90 days after the end of the Arizona legislative session, though it’s not clear yet when the AZ legislature will decide to end this year’s session.
Even the news update on the top of the page doesn't list anything about the age verification bill anymore, nor the Free Speech Coalition's message to the Governor.

Since e621's parent company is based in Arizona, everybody will be subject to the age verification law, even if they are browsing from outside the US or in one of its states.

• By law, they are required to verify a user's age (either by themselves or through a third-party entity) via a "government-issued identification" or "a commercially reasonable method that relies on public or private transactional data".
• In addition, they must "provide a form of digital identification that does not cause or allow the individual's identifying information to be transmitted to any federal, state or local government entity", which means permanently deleting the aforementioned user data after verifying their age without it falling into the hands of any governmental entity.

Failure to comply to either of the above will open up legal action against the company from either:

• "The parent or guardian of a minor who accesses material harmful to minors" or,
• "A person whose identifying information was retained or transmitted because of an entity's violation of this section".

The court may award a successful plaintiff in an action brought pursuant to this section a penalty for a violation of this section:

• In an amount equal to not more than the total, if applicable, of both of the following:
• (a) $10,000 per day that the entity operates an internet website in violation of the age verification requirements of this section.
• (b) $10,000 per instance when the entity retains or transmits identifying information in violation of [the above aforementioned section].
• For an additional amount of not more than $250,000 if, because of the entity's violation of the age verification requirements of this section, one or more minors accesses sexual material that is harmful to minors.

eranormus said:
notice that i said the leadership

I'm referring to leadership as well.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Not "if", the Arizona age verification bill has already been passed and enacted. The law takes effect 90 days after the end of the Arizona legislative session, though it’s not clear yet when the AZ legislature will decide to end this year’s session.
Even the news update on the top of the page doesn't list anything about the age verification bill anymore, nor the Free Speech Coalition's message to the Governor.

Since e621's parent company is based in Arizona, everybody will be subject to the age verification law, even if they are browsing from outside the US or in one of its states.

• By law, they are required to verify a user's age (either by themselves or through a third-party entity) via a "government-issued identification" or "a commercially reasonable method that relies on public or private transactional data".
• In addition, they must "provide a form of digital identification that does not cause or allow the individual's identifying information to be transmitted to any federal, state or local government entity", which means permanently deleting the aforementioned user data after verifying their age without it falling into the hands of any governmental entity.

Failure to either of the above will open up legal action against the company from either:

• "The parent or guardian of a minor who accesses material harmful to minors" or,
• "A person whose identifying information was retained or transmitted because of an entity's violation of this section".

The court may award a successful plaintiff in an action brought pursuant to this section a penalty for a violation of this section:

• In an amount equal to not more than the total, if applicable, of both of the following:
• (a) $10,000 per day that the entity operates an internet website in violation of the age verification requirements of this section.
• (b) $10,000 per instance when the entity retains or transmits identifying information in violation of [the above aforementioned section].
• For an additional amount of not more than $250,000 if, because of the entity's violation of the age verification requirements of this section, one or more minors accesses sexual material that is harmful to minors.

so, what's e621's plan now? are they moving states/countries or something else?

anon55317 said:
I'm referring to leadership as well.

they demonize everyone who is not them, just treating them a fraction of how they treat the rest of the world

zerosonicdrive said:
so, what's e621's plan now? are they moving states/countries or something else?

"Exploring our legal options, wait for an update, don't panic, we've been preparing", per what little official comment there is.

zerosonicdrive said:
so, what's e621's plan now? are they moving states/countries or something else?

No plans has been officially announced. The owners are well-aware of this bill's passage and are looking into what they can do about it as well as their legal options.
Supposedly, according to an admin on the e6 Discord, "there had been plans put in place in preparation to a situation like this."

There are also no plans now to shut down the site.

anon55317 said:
Going to note, and I've seen a lot of these types of statements; demonizing Republicans and conservatives isn't going to get anything done. In fact, there's more people than you'd think who lean that way for understandable (and often non-idpol related) reasons.

People who act like demons should be demonized.
Republicons are attempting to squelch freedom of expression.
They also want to label anything LGBTQIA+ as 'pornographic' in order to silence it. Which would have the knock-on effect of removing the ability to get support so many people need.
They have also deported at least one person without due process, which is something only tyrants do.
They have admitted to looking for ways to give Mr. Molester...(Sorry) Mr. Bonespurs. (Oop! My bad.) Mr. 30,000 Lies. (I did it again!) Limp-Dick Donnie (Close enough) a third term.

If republicunts don't want to be called massive piles of shit; They should stop doing things that attract such labeling.
People should absolutely NOT ignore everything they've done up to this point just because 'saying means words is bad'.

And there is absolutely NO understandable reasons to support removal of freedom of expression, support a man who has admitted to 'grabbing (people) by the pussy', a man who made fun of a disabled reporter, and a man who encouraged an insurrection. NONE.
Anyone who supports republikkkan party at this point knows EXACTLY what evil they are supporting and agree with it.
There's no "I don't agree with his policies but I'm still supporting him". If someone supports a rapist; They are supporting that he raped someone. It's a hell of a statement about their morals and what they will ignore 'for their party'.

furry_birb said:
People who act like demons should be demonized.
Republicons are attempting to squelch freedom of expression.
They also want to label anything LGBTQIA+ as 'pornographic'

and make the sentence for the crime be the death penality

furry_birb said:
People who act like demons should be demonized.
Republicons are attempting to squelch freedom of expression.
They also want to label anything LGBTQIA+ as 'pornographic' in order to silence it. Which would have the knock-on effect of removing the ability to get support so many people need.
They have also deported at least one person without due process, which is something only tyrants do.
They have admitted to looking for ways to give Mr. Molester...(Sorry) Mr. Bonespurs. (Oop! My bad.) Mr. 30,000 Lies. (I did it again!) Limp-Dick Donnie (Close enough) a third term.

If republicunts don't want to be called massive piles of shit; They should stop doing things that attract such labeling.
People should absolutely NOT ignore everything they've done up to this point just because 'saying means words is bad'.

And there is absolutely NO understandable reasons to support removal of freedom of expression, support a man who has admitted to 'grabbing (people) by the pussy', a man who made fun of a disabled reporter, and a man who encouraged an insurrection. NONE.
Anyone who supports republikkkan party at this point knows EXACTLY what evil they are supporting and agree with it.
There's no "I don't agree with his policies but I'm still supporting him". If someone supports a rapist; They are supporting that he raped someone. It's a hell of a statement about their morals and what they will ignore 'for their party'.

I respect the moral absolutism.

There's a lot more context to Trump and his base than what certain circles talk about. I get that you are livid about what's happening. You are giving conservatives more ammunition, even if passively, by vocally refusing to understand them.

furry_birb said:
-snip-

the problem isn't criticizing those who ought to be criticized for things they ought to be criticized for, the problem is that you might be aiming your target a little wide. there still, are people who consider themselves to be members of the Republican party (both voters and politicians) that aren't just totally batshit and/or haven't sold their soul to the felon, the ones that are likely to be called "RINO"s by the ones that have.

painting with a broad brush does naught but cause more division. criticism should be definite, precice, and true.

So apparently Inkbunny has to deal with UK Online Safety Act and have till late 2025 or early 2026 to comply. So we may be seeing an end that that too. No new info for 9 months on Inkbunny

black-eyebill said:
Let's try and keep the topic apolitical please. There's a large majority of people on both sides who think these kinds of laws are an overreach and largely ineffective. It's not a 3rd party's fault if kids lie about their age to access content they shouldn't, and it's not their responsibility to police someone else's kids.
If people actually cared about the safety of kids or restricting their access to explicit content, they would either restrict or monitor the kinds of content they could access from the device-level.

this IS politics buddy. It's politics all the way down. this idea of discussion of the shit right wing politicians are doing can somehow be "apolitical" is deranged.

right wing furries coping so hard in here. open your eyes people.

nine-eyes said:
the admins should drop the "apolitical" shtick.

1 bad for business
2 assuming the admins are well-studied in politics, who's to say people would take them seriously
3 this site hosts fringe content. assuming all admins share a singular view, were they to "come out" one way or the other, it would be usable as ammunition against their cause
4 we come here to look at schlongs. not to hear what the people who host this site think about military spending and nuclear energy

this is different, as te website is literally being made illegal as of present. as a business-owner there's no choice but to take "political" action. otherwise you're not a business owner, you're a retiree

joeyski said:
Bro, that shit is straight up not happening.

The number of times I’ve heard this
Tired of being Cassandra
If i can touch the lathe one time i just want people like this to stop repeating the same process of denial the exact same way

I wish i could be so privileged to walk into the same bug zapper over and over because it only zaps someone you’ve not met

black-eyebill said:
Let's try and keep the topic apolitical please. There's a large majority of people on both sides who think these kinds of laws are an overreach and largely ineffective. It's not a 3rd party's fault if kids lie about their age to access content they shouldn't, and it's not their responsibility to police someone else's kids.
If people actually cared about the safety of kids or restricting their access to explicit content, they would either restrict or monitor the kinds of content they could access from the device-level.

Both sides of what
Both sides of (what)

“These people who all share the same beliefs on moral panics happen to line up despite different letters in front of their name. It must mean unanimous agreement between two equal hemispheres.”

We really need civics
Representation is so cooked Americans can’t even discuss the trap they’re in
We spent the last eighty years driving the country between right and right
Enlightenment values are not represented here
You have a minimum standards Victorian workers education party and a no standards no education party

It is why we are here

dba_afish said:
the problem isn't criticizing those who ought to be criticized for things they ought to be criticized for, the problem is that you might be aiming your target a little wide. there still, are people who consider themselves to be members of the Republican party (both voters and politicians) that aren't just totally batshit and/or haven't sold their soul to the felon, the ones that are likely to be called "RINO"s by the ones that have.

painting with a broad brush does naught but cause more division. criticism should be definite, precice, and true.

IMO, every current republican are RINOs, and the ones labeled RINO are the true republicans.
When I make snide remarks at the republican party; I 100% mean the ones currently doing everything they can to attack minorities and tear down the Constitution. The current republican party. Not the 'RINOs' who bailed when the party decided to start sniffing bath salts.

The ones currently called 'RINOs' are what the republican party used to be. Back when I considered myself a middle-of-the-road voter who would vote based on policies & not party.
Can't really be middle-of-the-road when one party is trying to silence minorities, attack gay & transgender people, and outlaw porn.

Hell, I'm still of the opinion that all the 'RINOs' who had morals & bailed should make a NEW republican party & wear that label proudly as an acronym. Something like 'Republicans In New Order' or something.

royalgator said:
So apparently Inkbunny has to deal with UK Online Safety Act and have till late 2025 or early 2026 to comply. So we may be seeing an end that that too. No new info for 9 months on Inkbunny

Where are you getting late 2025-early 2026 from, out of curiosity? The Ofcom statement update from last month seems to indicate the 25th of July as the date of enforcement.
Source: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/protecting-children-from-harms-online

furry_birb said:
Rinos

Mitch McConnell is the ur-neocon
You shouldn’t accept an intentionally floating signifier from the tea party to put descriptive politics on anyone, rino is a meaningless orwellian enemyism

That said Mitch knows he doesn’t have a job if he waits and refuses to try to coup the rubber stamped judges for his own agenda
The neocons accepted acceleration

furry_birb said:
IMO, every current republican are RINOs, and the ones labeled RINO are the true republicans.
When I make snide remarks at the republican party; I 100% mean the ones currently doing everything they can to attack minorities and tear down the Constitution. The current republican party. Not the 'RINOs' who bailed when the party decided to start sniffing bath salts.

The ones currently called 'RINOs' are what the republican party used to be. Back when I considered myself a middle-of-the-road voter who would vote based on policies & not party.
Can't really be middle-of-the-road when one party is trying to silence minorities, attack gay & transgender people, and outlaw porn.

Hell, I'm still of the opinion that all the 'RINOs' who had morals & bailed should make a NEW republican party & wear that label proudly as an acronym. Something like 'Republicans In New Order' or something.

what the party used to be? what, when they were lying about weapons of mass destruction to start a war that killed a million Iraqis? or when they were fighting to preserve segregation?

nine-eyes said:
what the party used to be?

Which I’ll add never was rebuked when the mantle of power was accepted by dems.
Each dem admin accepts the rightward national policy of previous admin, that’s why the anti war liberal died with obama. Nobody seems to remember Occupy. Like dropped out of national memory. Can’t criticize our guy, and if he owns bush’s war that makes war… good? We’re good right?

nine-eyes said:
what the party used to be? what, when they were lying about weapons of mass destruction to start a war that killed a million Iraqis? or when they were fighting to preserve segregation?

Back when you could find an equal amount of criticism for both sides, and there WAS a middle of the road to stand in.

These days, 'middle of the road' = 'right leaning Democrat', just because of how extreme the current republican party is. To current republicans; 'Left leaning republican' = 'RINO'.

Or maybe I was just more of an ignorant idealist two decades ago. Who knows?

furry_birb said:
Back when you could find an equal amount of criticism for both sides, and there WAS a middle of the road to stand in.

These days, 'middle of the road' = 'right leaning Democrat', just because of how extreme the current republican party is. To current republicans; 'Left leaning republican' = 'RINO'.

Or maybe I was just more of an ignorant idealist two decades ago. Who knows?

I’ll be real the context we were all born into was a power sharing agreement between two sides of illiberal and unrepresentative establishment power center. The left wing originally represented enlightenment and democracy, individual autonomy. The further kings became abstracted and multiplied through society the more people seemed to accept they were getting more representation. Everyone hates where we are. We need a new medium to discuss shared needs and reach compromises in. Our electoral system is collapsing under the weight of the contradictions we inherited.
I really think the only thing we need to do is get better at leaving old world politics behind.
That world is frankly dead. We need to make new teams.

wolflobe said:
I’ll be real the context we were all born into was a power sharing agreement between two sides of illiberal and unrepresentative establishment power center. The left wing originally represented enlightenment and democracy, individual autonomy. The further kings became abstracted and multiplied through society the more people seemed to accept they were getting more representation. Everyone hates where we are. We need a new medium to discuss shared needs and reach compromises in. Our electoral system is collapsing under the weight of the contradictions we inherited.
I really think the only thing we need to do is get better at leaving old world politics behind.
That world is frankly dead. We need to make new teams.

100%

I think that's why Donald Trump got elected for his second term. The American people are desperate for a change, and he was marketed as an "outsider" or at least more of a wildcard. Considerations be damned the American people rolled the dice.

foxywiththemoxy said:
Wait, if the bill were to pass then what of users who don’t live in the US, I live in Europe so would we be required to do the verification as well?

prolly, i know least one other porn site that tried forcing me into creating ana ccount and get "age verifeid" by AI

frostii_7 said:
Maga drivel

Report and ignore do not waste time

sanity_dance said:
100%

I think that's why Donald Trump got elected for his second term. The American people are desperate for a change, and he was marketed as an "outsider" or at least more of a wildcard. Considerations be damned the American people rolled the dice.

Agree back. America didn’t love trump they hate being told nothing is wrong while having less and less optimistic prospects in a world that treats them as replaceable, unworthy of a complete skill set, and spends every waking moment disconnecting them into parallel tracks that are never meant to connect.
The accelerationists never hold onto these moments. When this is over we need to never replicate what got us here, and we can only do that by finding the people who are actually voicing sensible needs and concerns and go meet them. Maga propagandists should be walked through. They’re only online and can’t spend more times in the lives of your neighbors than you can.
Not a single one of my neighbors voted “right”. Those people are not internet dummies telling you what “the peasants” are thinking. Those people are poor with real unmet needs and no representation to bargain for them. Feed your neighbors, know them, and the trump flags come down. That’s the only thing that ever works.
Not “you were wrong”, but “we were all lied to”.

frostii_7 said:
Trenchant political commentary as usual.

I was curious as to how "normal" people view these sorts of laws, and as far as I can tell the polls show that the majority of the population actually support mandatory age verification. YouGov (https://today.yougov.com/technology/articles/45147-us-tech-regulation-receives-overwhelming-support) & the American Principles Project (https://americanprinciplesproject.org/media/new-app-poll-83-support-age-verification-mandate-porn-sites/) both suggest that most of the voting public do support age verification for adult websites. Obviously these aren't ideal ways of measuring sentiment and aren't necessarily coming from neutral parties (YouGov is broadly neutral, based largely on whether or not people like the outcome of any given poll. I'll leave the political leanings of the APP as an exercise to the reader.) If someone finds a counterexample to these, please let me know.
It should also be noted that broader bans on children having access to social media in general have a wide degree of bipartisan support, though in the US that has yet to translate to any meaningful legislation. In Australia, a law is set to come into effect at the end of 2025 that will ban anyone below the age of 16 from using social media.

Sites like e6 (and other furry artwork sites in general) are in a bit of a different situation in that they don't carry the baggage of (allegedly) profiting from the sexual trafficking of real people, including minors, that regular porn websites like PornHub have to deal with. Though it's likely that this site's earlier purge on young_human content represented an attempt to preempt those accusations.

As to how any of this matters to us, it likely means that it will probably take more than a handful of online petitions & emails in order to generate any real traction to get laws like this repealed, unless the courts step in. It also makes me doubt that the copy-paste email campaign of last year had any impact on the governor's decision.

Yeah I've noted a lot of similar things annecdotally. For all the sexual progressivism that's been held to be popular with Gen Z, this more comes from a place of apathy than active support (most people these days don't care what you are; e.g. everybody has a gay friend). Which is great for normalizing and people living out their lives, but makes concerted effort to overturn the very popular backlash to something like porn unrealistic.

Most people, if they even admit to using porn, view it in contempt. Similar to how doomscrollers call themselves addicted and say they hate social media; same idea. Now layer on the objective of these sorts of things: to protect kids from harmful content. And layer on how everybody under the age of 30 remembers just how damn much corporations sexualized and sold sex to them as children (e.g. that ~2013 Bruno Mars song being sung by 3rd graders).

Even if ~40% opposes these types of bills for varying reasons. At most ~10% of the population would oppose the principles of these bills. At most ~1% would publically express contempt for a bill like AZ HB 2112 after being signed into law. The core nature of it, even if you could viably argue against it's execution, is near universally popular. Much more, a viable alternative would have to be proposed, instead of just "Not this!".