So HB 2112 is still oozing out from under the same rock 99% of all Republicans spawned from?

Seriously. They call it 'Age verification' but once they have your account tied to a government ID, what's to stop them from pulling up your likes and favorites? And considering how The Right are massive prudes; You know they will start attempting to ban 'obscene' (Read; Anything they don't like or understand) porn.
And, of course, from there it becomes outlawing said porn. At which point they can send people to your house to arrest you to fapping to furry porn. Since they have your ID through this bill.

The Right are attempting to turn into Thought Police. They want to control what you say, do, think, and view. Arizona; Please do your part to stomp this down.
Also; Why the ever-loving goddamned FUCK is there no limit on attempts to push fascism through the court? I thought this was struck down once before?

The world does seem to grow more and more fascist.
The problem is that it's not just the right wing politically, it is seemingly everyone in politics. Fortunately there are still sensible political parties that I continue to support.

What's worse is that since Trump is in office the bill has a higher chance of being passed unlike last time regardless of public opinion.

I hate politics and try to avoid anything regarding it but holy shit conservatives are being batshit insane.

This thread is going to get insta-locked again like the last thread (i.e., topic #55668) if you guys start ranting about politics again.
The mod has already warned about handing out records if anybody continues down this path.

Did my part, or tried to. The website said I don't need to take action because there is no election or my candidate isn't on the ballet.

meatballfreak100 said:
is it forced be what state you live in or in the world?

It will affect everyone since the bill would allow "private lawsuits by parents or guardians whose children were able to access the material for awards up to $250,000 plus $10,000 per day that the website lacked age verification" by means for enforcement.
To avoid these lawsuits, the owner of the site would be forced to verify the age of users via a "government-issued identification" or "a commercially reasonable method that relies on public or private transactional data to verify the age of an individual" (i.e., paying an expensive third-party service just to verify someone's age).

What if we turn e621 into a decentralized platform?

Also, as an update for those who don't know yet, the bill has passed both the House and Senate and has been passed to the Governor to sign into law.
The only way this gets shot down now is if the Governor vetoes the bill again like last time.

If you live in Arizona, you can still write through the Free Speech Coalition to the Governor.
Otherwise, if you are in the US but live in another state, you can voice your opinion to the Arizona Governor as well about your thoughts on this bill.

Oh boy. The American populace is already dissatisfied enough from all the things that have been transpiring recently. Lots of citizens are feeling the strain & use pornography as a means for escape and to temper their fears, especially so right now.

They are messing with the Circus part of the famous phrase "Bread and Circuses"; the maintenance of civil order in a society necessitates a steady supply of food and entertainment.

I dare them to pass this bill. I DARE them. If it indeed comes to pass, we shall sit back, cross our furry/scaly legs, and observe from afar what happens next. That which follows will be worth watching with our very own eyes.

It will be a most interesting state of affairs.

Very interesting.

siberwolf_729 said:
Oh boy. The American populace is already dissatisfied enough from all the things that have been transpiring recently. Lots of citizens are feeling the strain & use pornography as a means for escape and to temper their fears, especially so right now.

They are messing with the Circus part of the famous phrase "Bread and Circuses"; the maintenance of civil order in a society necessitates a steady supply of food and entertainment.

I dare them to pass this bill. I DARE them. If it indeed comes to pass, we shall sit back, cross our furry/scaly legs, and observe from afar what happens next. That which follows will be worth watching with our very own eyes.

It will be a most interesting state of affairs.

Very interesting.

Yeppppp.

The fabric of American society is fraying at the seams. Do they even understand that furries are the ones keeping society afloat? Technicians, military personnel, engineers - all furries. If Katie Hobbes passes this bill... POP!

The furry revolution truly begins.

thegreatwolfgang said:
This thread is going to get insta-locked again like the last thread (i.e., topic #55668) if you guys start ranting about politics again.
The mod has already warned about handing out records if anybody continues down this path.

Refreshing this comment to temper everyone participating
I'd hate for anyone to get punished for talking

meatballfreak100 said:
Will the website announce the new policy before it goes into effect?

Most likely no, the upper management and owner of the site have been very silent about any plans moving forward.
What I have been told is that there is a contingency plan in place, but no specifics about it have been revealed.

If you want to follow about any updates, you can join the e621 Discord just in case access to this site has been cut off.

To give a little detail, for those curious (like I was) - if the Governor vetos the bill, the legislature would need to override the veto with a 2/3rds vote to force the bill through. That is unlikely to happen, as the vote in the AZ House was 35 yay, 23 nay, 2 not-votes. Every Republican legislator in the House voted yay. 23 Democrats voted nay, 2 Dems voted yay, and two abstained from voting. The Arizona Senate was 18 yay, 10 nay, 2 non-votes. Every Republican in the Senate voted yay. 10 Democrats voted nay, 2 voted yay, and two abstained from voting. [Source - https://apps.azleg.gov/BillStatus/BillOverview/].

I agree there is no point getting in a political discussion here - this is not the place, and it will do no good. All the information anyone needs is in the news message on the site and TheGreatWolfgang's post earlier in this thread. If you live in Arizona, definitely consider filling out the Free Speech Coalition form. If you live in the USA in another state... I don't think it will mean much, but you can use the other link.

thegreatwolfgang said:
It will affect everyone since the bill would allow "private lawsuits by parents or guardians whose children were able to access the material for awards up to $250,000 plus $10,000 per day that the website lacked age verification" by means for enforcement.
To avoid these lawsuits, the owner of the site would be forced to verify the age of users via a "government-issued identification" or "a commercially reasonable method that relies on public or private transactional data to verify the age of an individual" (i.e., paying an expensive third-party service just to verify someone's age).

Which is outright bullshit, honestly.
They are demanding access to people's IDs, which have a photograph, full name, and address. (Which makes it easier for them to send the Gestapo after 'deviants'), or what? A bill? A bank statement? Those are also 'transactional data', with compromising information.
It's just a way to control everyone AND compile a full list of people to 'reprogram' or 'fix' for being what they will call 'obscene'.

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(Note: This is a hypothetical, and the 'you' is a hypothetical person. Not anyone here.)
What's that? Your profile has comments supporting the LGBTQIA+ community?
Republicunts don't like that! And now they have your face, name, and address because of this bill.
I'm sure the death threats you're suddenly being mailed are just a coincidence. No way they gave your data to a thug squad contracted by them to silence anything they don't like!
(Note: This is a hypothetical, and the 'you' is a hypothetical person. Not anyone here.)

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thegreatwolfgang said:
Most likely no, the upper management and owner of the site have been very silent about any plans moving forward.
What I have been told is that there is a contingency plan in place, but no specifics about it have been revealed.

If you want to follow about any updates, you can join the e621 Discord just in case access to this site has been cut off.

Glad to hear a plan is in place, but I can't see it being anything other than 'Close down', given how prohibitively expensive it would be to move everything out of state.
Not to mention, with Fat Hitler in power; More and more Red states will probably follow suit.

This is the only site I ever see talking about it so I doubt most people know what's going down and due to the lack of coverage I'm guessing it will pass. I have no hope left in me with all this shit that's going on, I wish I could understand their thinking like give me something.

I just hope the Internet will find/make a workaround.

Even if the bill does pass, I don't see it lasting relatively long since Trump being absolutely stupid will inevitably screw the Republicans over, which may in terms, undoing a lot of the plans the GOP has

thegreatwolfgang said:
Also, as an update for those who don't know yet, the bill has passed both the House and Senate and has been passed to the Governor to sign into law.
The only way this gets shot down now is if the Governor vetoes the bill again like last time.

If you live in Arizona, you can still write through the Free Speech Coalition to the Governor.
Otherwise, if you are in the US but live in another state, you can voice your opinion to the Arizona Governor as well about your thoughts on this bill.

Thank you for sharing that second option, since the first one bars anyone that isn't from Arizona. That said, please do fill these things out, everyone. It might not feel like it does any good, but it can work and it's better than doing literally nothing. Plus, you can always appeal to the economic concept of, "Other states/countries will just stop servicing you," instead of the moral one; it doesn't do us any good if it passes, sure, but that's still a good argument to get a veto.

rintherose said:
Thank you for sharing that second option, since the first one bars anyone that isn't from Arizona. That said, please do fill these things out, everyone. It might not feel like it does any good, but it can work and it's better than doing literally nothing. Plus, you can always appeal to the economic concept of, "Other states/countries will just stop servicing you," instead of the moral one; it doesn't do us any good if it passes, sure, but that's still a good argument to get a veto.

was able to submit a response through the second link.

not sure why the house would try and pass the same bill that got vetoed last time by the same governor. so i'm hopeful this will be vetoed again

hiddenbird said:
not sure why the house would try and pass the same bill that got vetoed last time by the same governor. so i'm hopeful this will be vetoed again

Unfortunately this is common practice when a bunch of senators/representatives want something and it gets shot down. They just try again later and hope the answer changes (not counting lobbying and differences in time)

Hello, European here. Where would I even GET an ID that's in a US government database?

calydor said:
Hello, European here. Where would I even GET an ID that's in a US government database?

legally?

… I can only assume this second attempt at this bill is suffering the same amount of pushback, but… god. I know there’s other places one can go to stimulate but man, E621 is something special.

Sure, smut and sex of increasing absurdity is as frequent as plants here, but there’s strange and absurd art, memey and funny art, regular furry art, or genuinely breathtaking art on here too. I’d hate for this place to be purged among the wildfire that is the current political ecosystem since it’s always a treat logging on to see what’s on here.

Knowing the internet though, I’d give it a week before underground equivalents start popping up if this place goes down. And in the case it does? Well… more reason for folks to bash fashes I guess.

So as I gather, this bill will affect everyone in the US. But what about other countries? Citizens of other countries will obviously not have an id in a US gov database. How will that work? And I know the law would allow e6 to be sued. But if it gets passed, would people in other countries be able to sue e6? Because if they aren't, why require verification for other countries?

whowillevenreadthis said:
So as I gather, this bill will affect everyone in the US. But what about other countries? Citizens of other countries will obviously not have an id in a US gov database. How will that work? And I know the law would allow e6 to be sued. But if it gets passed, would people in other countries be able to sue e6? Because if they aren't, why require verification for other countries?

E6 is hosted in Arizona, where this bill is happening, where users are is not a factor

Also rest assured that e6 will not add mandatory id verification, they'd lose the majority of their audience as most (including myself) are not willing to verify their id with a third party

First party with the head admin is one thing (I had to verify when I became staff for reasons, its an informal process where you can hide most identifying information) but with a random untrusted third party where you can't hide anything is a whole different thing

If the bill were to pass I'd take bets on a grace period for sites to comply, and e6 packing up their bags and moving to a different state within that period

donovan_dmc said:
E6 is hosted in Arizona, where this bill is happening, where users are is not a factor

Also rest assured that e6 will not add mandatory id verification, they'd lose the majority of their audience as most (including myself) are not willing to verify their id with a third party

First party with the head admin is one thing (I had to verify when I became staff for reasons, its an informal process where you can hide most identifying information) but with a random untrusted third party where you can't hide anything is a whole different thing

If the bill were to pass I'd take bets on a grace period for sites to comply, and e6 packing up their bags and moving to a different state within that period

honestly it'd may be better to move it to a different country with laws protecting NSFW stuff. I think Sweden is good for that?

Altogether we all need to contact the governor and tell them this is a bad idea if enough comments get through they will doubt the bill and veto it to keep their position safe. For the long term we will need to push a safer alternative to government if laws, maybe we can make a push for free and easy to use parental monitoring software with no government links, something that any old parent can use without confusion. That way when politicians try to pass another 2112 bill the idea would sound overreaching in comparison. We would need to spread a formof this idea to our communities and keep the idea going long enough that it takes root. If people resist the idea remind them of those times companies got all there data looted from a hack and link that unsafe feeling to there own identification data to, if that doesn’t work remind them of government incompetence and drive in that wedge of doubt people and make it sound better there the power to be in there hands rather than a politician. This may sound ridiculous but hey if ridiculous bills like 2112 could make it this far then there’s a chance we could pull it off

whowillevenreadthis said:
So as I gather, this bill will affect everyone in the US. But what about other countries? Citizens of other countries will obviously not have an id in a US gov database. How will that work? And I know the law would allow e6 to be sued. But if it gets passed, would people in other countries be able to sue e6? Because if they aren't, why require verification for other countries?

As I understand it (and IANAL), it'd mean that e621 (or, more likely, their parent organization, Bad Dragon), would have to look at the second point of age verification -- "a commercially reasonable method that relies on public or private transactional data to verify the age of an individual"... I don't know exactly what that entails, but I'd imagine it'd be stuff other more-blatant porn sites do, like asking for a credit card number or something.
As for international peoples suing the site, I Am Still Not A Lawyer, so I don't know; I suspect the authors of the bill didn't *care* about international reach, because this kind of "think of the children!" anti porn legal stuff has had some kind of flavor going on for decades now in the US, and they all have that feeling of "Some group of people want a legal means of smashing porn out of the public eye, and are using a reasonable group (kids) as their hammer"... and I wish all those groups a pleasant "Please Stop. It didn't work in the 90s, it won't work now." >.<

dk621 said:
Altogether we all need to contact the governor and tell them this is a bad idea if enough comments get through they will doubt the bill and veto it to keep their position safe. For the long term we will need to push a safer alternative to government if laws, maybe we can make a push for free and easy to use parental monitoring software with no government links, something that any old parent can use without confusion. That way when politicians try to pass another 2112 bill the idea would sound overreaching in comparison. We would need to spread a formof this idea to our communities and keep the idea going long enough that it takes root. If people resist the idea remind them of those times companies got all there data looted from a hack and link that unsafe feeling to there own identification data to, if that doesn’t work remind them of government incompetence and drive in that wedge of doubt people and make it sound better there the power to be in there hands rather than a politician. This may sound ridiculous but hey if ridiculous bills like 2112 could make it this far then there’s a chance we could pull it off

problem is Arizona's house and senate are just over half the people in both are the group that are really pushing for it. if you look at the votes its pretty much almost perfectly split on party lines. its only because Hobbs is in charge stuff like this get stopped at least till midterms next year. Luckily Hobbs seems to be very against this sort of thing. Vitoing several similar bills over the years, and just recently vetoed attempted anti-trans rights bills. So its very likely she'll veto this one too and keep vetoing them but its still teetering on a knifes edge.

dk621 said:
Altogether we all need to contact the governor and tell them this is a bad idea if enough comments get through they will doubt the bill and veto it to keep their position safe. For the long term we will need to push a safer alternative to government if laws, maybe we can make a push for free and easy to use parental monitoring software with no government links, something that any old parent can use without confusion. That way when politicians try to pass another 2112 bill the idea would sound overreaching in comparison. We would need to spread a formof this idea to our communities and keep the idea going long enough that it takes root. If people resist the idea remind them of those times companies got all there data looted from a hack and link that unsafe feeling to there own identification data to, if that doesn’t work remind them of government incompetence and drive in that wedge of doubt people and make it sound better there the power to be in there hands rather than a politician. This may sound ridiculous but hey if ridiculous bills like 2112 could make it this far then there’s a chance we could pull it off

But then you're expecting parents to do something that I'm sure 90 odd% don't even bother doing you know "parenting" properly. Trying to push parental software would just be a waste of time.

speedrn1 said:
But then you're expecting parents to do something that I'm sure 90 odd% don't even bother doing you know "parenting" properly. Trying to push parental software would just be a waste of time.

Not to mention that parental controls just make kids learn how to get around those restrictions

As soon as one kidbknows how to get around them, so do all of their friends, and their friends friends, and...

Source: myself

Stupid politicians. They look at porn and mature images just like the rest of us. Rules for thee, not for me and all that shit. Hate these jagoffs.

Let's hope that Katie sends the Bill to hell

The governor of Arizona (I think) has already vetoed similar bills twice already. Doesn't hurt to pass along things to her. Maybe the people pushing for it think the third time will be the charm?

indigoheat said:
Maybe the people pushing for it think the third time will be the charm?

That's definitely their game

cadynn said:
The problem is that it's not just the right wing politically, it is seemingly everyone in politics.

From what I've observed, both sides of the political shit spectrum want to cancel porn. The right wants to do it because it's "obscene", and the left wants to do it because it's "objectification" or some bullshit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Illinois too now? I don't know if everyone got that pop-up, or just people in IL. Well, fuck...

EDIT: a bit of common sense tells me most of you won't get the pop up, so it's just another proposed bill. Obviously Arizona is the bigger concern. But I thought IL was a super LGBT-friendly place that wouldn't consider such a bill. Jeez, we're fucked, aren't we? :c

crocogator said:
Illinois too now? I don't know if everyone got that pop-up, or just people in IL. Well, fuck...

EDIT: a bit of common sense tells me most of you won't get the pop up, so it's just another proposed bill. Obviously Arizona is the bigger concern. But I thought IL was a super LGBT-friendly place that wouldn't consider such a bill. Jeez, we're fucked, aren't we? :c

I got one here in NY.

crocogator said:
Illinois too now? I don't know if everyone got that pop-up, or just people in IL. Well, fuck...

Michigan too. I sent in a complaint to my senator, but it's rough out there, fellas.

czyszy said:
From what I've observed, both sides of the political shit spectrum want to cancel porn. The right wants to do it because it's "obscene", and the left wants to do it because it's "objectification" or some bullshit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

These bills are usually split pretty cleanly on party lines. The (rare) democrat support for these bills is dumber than you think- falling for the obvious bait of "think of the children, anyone who doesn't support this bill is a pedophile." That is how these bills get marketed and attract support from people who otherwise oppose censorship and should know better.

regsmutt said:
These bills are usually split pretty cleanly on party lines. The (rare) democrat support for these bills is dumber than you think- falling for the obvious bait of "think of the children, anyone who doesn't support this bill is a pedophile." That is how these bills get marketed and attract support from people who otherwise oppose censorship and should know better.

there are places where democrats make similar bills but honestly those are a lot more common sense. like device based leaving it up to the users rather than making the websites liable and forcing censorship, and usually with provisions of no government ID usage or anything that can be used to steal info that sort of thing basically making on the person rather than any sort of censorship. Rather none of these bills exist in the first place but if they have to I'd much rather this way.

Also seen a much better one which basically goes "parental controls default to on its up to you to turn it off"

crocogator said:
Illinois too now? I don't know if everyone got that pop-up, or just people in IL. Well, fuck...

EDIT: a bit of common sense tells me most of you won't get the pop up, so it's just another proposed bill. Obviously Arizona is the bigger concern. But I thought IL was a super LGBT-friendly place that wouldn't consider such a bill. Jeez, we're fucked, aren't we? :c

I got the Pop-Up which specified my state as well

crocogator said:
Illinois too now? I don't know if everyone got that pop-up, or just people in IL. Well, fuck...

EDIT: a bit of common sense tells me most of you won't get the pop up, so it's just another proposed bill. Obviously Arizona is the bigger concern. But I thought IL was a super LGBT-friendly place that wouldn't consider such a bill. Jeez, we're fucked, aren't we? :c

No we aren't cause even if they were to pass, enforcing anything internet related is probably a nightmare waiting to happen

What's stopping from using a VPN?
What's stopping us from hosting outside the country come worst case scenario?
Finding, arresting, and process people for it would be a logistical nightmare to manage, and us prisons are already overloaded to begin with.
Like, we all have a right to be concerned right now, but admitting defeat is NOT an option.

kathyohneke said:
there are places where democrats make similar bills but honestly those are a lot more common sense. like device based leaving it up to the users rather than making the websites liable and forcing censorship, and usually with provisions of no government ID usage or anything that can be used to steal info that sort of thing basically making on the person rather than any sort of censorship. Rather none of these bills exist in the first place but if they have to I'd much rather this way.

Also seen a much better one which basically goes "parental controls default to on its up to you to turn it off"

honestly my stance on kids getting into shit they shouldn’t on the internet is simple: don’t let a tablet raise your child or it will molest them.

one way or another, it’ll find some way in to cause problems for the kid. the internet is not a place of honor and is certainly not habitable for children.

sure you can make a point about how it’s the producers fault for making it so readily accessible, but besides fuckos reposting it outside suitable spaces (i.e elsagate or whatever forms it comes in nowadays) - curious kids and teens dominated by hormones can easily get hooked from even slight exposure and just find ways around whatever intrusive parental controls you put in place.

joeyski said:
No we aren't cause even if they were to pass, enforcing anything internet related is probably a nightmare waiting to happen

What's stopping from using a VPN?
What's stopping us from hosting outside the country come worst case scenario?
Finding, arresting, and process people for it would be a logistical nightmare to manage, and us prisons are already overloaded to begin with.
Like, we all have a right to be concerned right now, but admitting defeat is NOT an option.

these assholes always think themselves high and mighty until they find out logistics

deterioratedstarcell said:
honestly my stance on kids getting into shit they shouldn’t on the internet is simple: don’t let a tablet raise your child or it will molest them.

one way or another, it’ll find some way in to cause problems for the kid. the internet is not a place of honor and is certainly not habitable for children.

sure you can make a point about how it’s the producers fault for making it so readily accessible, but besides fuckos reposting it outside suitable spaces (i.e elsagate or whatever forms it comes in nowadays) - curious kids and teens dominated by hormones can easily get hooked from even slight exposure and just find ways around whatever intrusive parental controls you put in place.

yeah kids shouldn't be allowed on the internet period. but we became a society dependant on it. Heck last time I worked at a school they wouldn't allow libraries for project references anymore and want everything done from research to submissions online so kids are pretty much forced to used the internet for school work now. the genie cant be put back in the bottle so its up to us to deal with things. Unfortunately? people are also dumb and lazy so they'd rather a higher authority deal with it rather than actually parent their kids.

joeyski said:
No we aren't [fucked] cause even if they were to pass, enforcing anything internet related is probably a nightmare waiting to happen

I have some bad news for you - in the case of the Arizona bill, enforcement would be simple, easy, and very profitable. You might see some Arizona law firms starting to specialize in these cases and do them for a portion of the profits. The amended bill says the owners of this website would be liable for $$$ penalties up to:

a) $10,000 per day for failure to comply with age verification;
b) $10,000 per instance of retaining identifying user data;
c) $250,000 if one or more minors accesses pornography due to the entity's violation of
the age verification requirements of this Act.

Basically, anyone in Arizona could subpoena e621 and take out a quarter of a million dollars. All they would have to do is *pretend* their son or daughter saw explicit content, and they could get a big chunk of their darling's collage tuition paid for.

The law passing would require the website's owners to take immediate action. They might be able to restructure things to protect themselves, but if different states keep passing more and more laws, each with different ways to get their hooks in you, eventually compliance becomes impossible or prohibitively expensive for a small business to deal with. There is a real threat here, I think. I wish that wasn't the case, but here we are.

donkdewd said:
I have some bad news for you - in the case of the Arizona bill, enforcement would be simple, easy, and very profitable. You might see some Arizona law firms starting to specialize in these cases and do them for a portion of the profits. The amended bill says the owners of this website would be liable for $$$ penalties up to:

a) $10,000 per day for failure to comply with age verification;
b) $10,000 per instance of retaining identifying user data;
c) $250,000 if one or more minors accesses pornography due to the entity's violation of
the age verification requirements of this Act.

Basically, anyone in Arizona could subpoena e621 and take out a quarter of a million dollars. All they would have to do is *pretend* their son or daughter saw explicit content, and they could get a big chunk of their darling's collage tuition paid for.

The law passing would require the website's owners to take immediate action. They might be able to restructure things to protect themselves, but if different states keep passing more and more laws, each with different ways to get their hooks in you, eventually compliance becomes impossible or prohibitively expensive for a small business to deal with. There is a real threat here, I think. I wish that wasn't the case, but here we are.

post #2370291

Damn I hate politics, because whenever I learn something new that's politically related, it's always bad.

speedrn1 said:
But then you're expecting parents to do something that I'm sure 90 odd% don't even bother doing you know "parenting" properly. Trying to push parental software would just be a waste of time.

Ive been saying the solution is that its high time we just limit or remove children from the online sphere, because its not simply adult content, its also very addictive marketing practices and social media businesses like youtube relying on kids to be constantly interacting to earn money, and trying to make them addicted to social media, gsme, and streaming use in a way that negatively affects their happiness and social life. Especially kids under 16. But lawmakers wont do that solution cause big tech lobbyists need that profit from kids using their products!

Dam this is shitty as a Chicago IL Resident just started posting my art on here

bronylexicon said:
post #2370291

Damn I hate politics, because whenever I learn something new that's politically related, it's always bad.

Yes its horrible, but i hate to say is sadly no one can just ignore politics. Because if citizens are not constantly vigilant, extreme restrictions of rights by corrupt and powerful will happen. People have to be engaged to prevent this and so many people have not been for decades.

donkdewd said:
I have some bad news for you - in the case of the Arizona bill, enforcement would be simple, easy, and very profitable. You might see some Arizona law firms starting to specialize in these cases and do them for a portion of the profits. The amended bill says the owners of this website would be liable for $$$ penalties up to:

a) $10,000 per day for failure to comply with age verification;
b) $10,000 per instance of retaining identifying user data;
c) $250,000 if one or more minors accesses pornography due to the entity's violation of
the age verification requirements of this Act.

Basically, anyone in Arizona could subpoena e621 and take out a quarter of a million dollars. All they would have to do is *pretend* their son or daughter saw explicit content, and they could get a big chunk of their darling's collage tuition paid for.

The law passing would require the website's owners to take immediate action. They might be able to restructure things to protect themselves, but if different states keep passing more and more laws, each with different ways to get their hooks in you, eventually compliance becomes impossible or prohibitively expensive for a small business to deal with. There is a real threat here, I think. I wish that wasn't the case, but here we are.

honestly I heard legal experts in the community stating the opposite due to so many laws conflicting against this and such and it would just be a legal clusterfuck for both sides

kathyohneke said:
people are also dumb and lazy so they'd rather a higher authority deal with it rather than actually parent their kids.

Wonder how long till somebody in USA remembers that history has wonderfully simple and about as awful example: pansions or boarding houses. I even have a sales pitch ready:

"Are you feeling overwhelmed with parenting? Have you tried nothing and already out of ideas? Then we have a solution just for you!
For the low monthly subscription of [insert number] USD a month our we'll take care of everything, including education, food and housing. Don't miss the chance to let your child prepare for real life and a career right away. Find us at [address].

Still hesitate? Just think of all the dreams that parenting denied you: extra honeymoon, new career, fast car, own beautiful secretary, partying till tomorrow. All that and more is just [insert number] USD away now!

Terms and conditions apply."

Fear this being actually popular, if and when it is reintroduced as a "novel idea for a new age" as unlikely it is to do anything good for kids. I'll stop here to not drown the thread in barely concealed sarcastic jabs at what modern (Western?) society turns into.

Getting one for Ohio too, kinda surprised they didn't do one years ago honestly

Again, to the mods, yall need to get started working on transferring e6 to a different state, better yet a different country. This is just gonna keep happening. It will go through, if not now, then later.

sharck said:
Again, to the mods, yall need to get started working on transferring e6 to a different state, better yet a different country. This is just gonna keep happening. It will go through, if not now, then later.

honestly if hobbs vetos it a 3rd time even with everything going on its likely that the bill never gets through as long as she's in charge, so things could be fine for years.

kathyohneke said:
honestly if hobbs vetos it a 3rd time even with everything going on its likely that the bill never gets through as long as she's in charge, so things could be fine for years.

Hobbs is up for re-election in November 2026, so she could get voted out.

hiddenbird said:
Hobbs is up for re-election in November 2026, so she could get voted out.

possible. but things have been shifting across the country by a lot with how angry people are about everything happening. if things stay the way they are, unless shenanigans happen, she is likely to keep her job.

sharck said:
Again, to the mods, yall need to get started working on transferring e6 to a different state, better yet a different country. This is just gonna keep happening. It will go through, if not now, then later.

None of the mods you see active here own or even have physical access to the servers, they are all volunteers running a website owned by Dragonfruit Ventures.
Only the owners up in Arizona can do anything about it, and the cost of moving servers to another state or country (that may not even have the same protection for the type of content we host) will be a massive financial burden.

I don't understand. Isn't it enough for adult websites to have its adult patrons to go though a secure account with a password like we already have?

bluecollie55 said:
I don't understand. Isn't it enough for adult websites to have its adult patrons to go though a secure account with a password like we already have?

An account is not required to see adult content
Accounts also hardly qualify as age verification

bluecollie55 said:
I don't understand. Isn't it enough for adult websites to have its adult patrons to go though a secure account with a password like we already have?

these laws are a lot more invasive. in order to comply youd need stuff like government ID, facial recondition software, or even stuff like your credit card info. All very intrusive stuff that hackers would be drooling to get a hold of and frankly most porn sites wont be able to get the security needed to protect that info. and even if things are "deleted" afterwards and just used to identify...its the internet, deleted information can be restored if it was there at some point for a long time afterwards. that last bit is the biggest issue with this people who are trying to force these bills through dont understand.

I hate this but one suggestion is use a third part age verification service based in a privacy friendly EU country. Also see explosion of fake AI generated Government IDs.

kathyohneke said:
these laws are a lot more invasive. in order to comply youd need stuff like government ID, facial recondition software, or even stuff like your credit card info. All very intrusive stuff that hackers would be drooling to get a hold of and frankly most porn sites wont be able to get the security needed to protect that info. and even if things are "deleted" afterwards and just used to identify...its the internet, deleted information can be restored if it was there at some point for a long time afterwards. that last bit is the biggest issue with this people who are trying to force these bills through dont understand.

It's not because they don't understand, it's because they DON'T CARE! All they care about is money! It has always been about greed and power, and they'll continue to aim for that, even if it means to create a fabricated lie in order to achieve that.

Is this warning showing up for every American? Because I'm pretty sure my state hasn't introduced such a bill.

Also I should point out that clicking the link sends e621/e926 as part of the URL so it's a bit rich that protesting this invasion of privacy literally sends that very information we wish to keep private!

cka9se said:
Is this warning showing up for every American? Because I'm pretty sure my state hasn't introduced such a bill.

the bill is set where the website's servers are. meaning it will effect everybody who uses this website if it isnt vetoed.

cka9se said:
Is this warning showing up for every American? Because I'm pretty sure my state hasn't introduced such a bill.

Also I should point out that clicking the link sends e621/e926 as part of the URL so it's a bit rich that protesting this invasion of privacy literally sends that very information we wish to keep private!

This. I never even heard of such a bill coming to my state, the site doesn't even give me any specific legislation. I feel as though this clickbait is counter-intuitive, since when I go to one of the landing pages for tools, it says my state already passed such legislation. This reeks of fear tactics.

Apparently my state HAS introduced such a bill in spite of how blue it is. Guess that explains the lack of reporting on it.

Also admins, fix that damn URL! You don't even need to send a message just click the big red button and the source website is attached!

cka9se said:
Apparently my state HAS introduced such a bill in spite of how blue it is. Guess that explains the lack of reporting on it.

Also admins, fix that damn URL! You don't even need to send a message just click the big red button and the source website is attached!

To be fair, Arizona is pretty blue too. This isn't a red blue issue, it's a matter of a lack of trust in parents to moderate their children, or using that lack of trust to exploit people in the name of child safety.

kalamata said:
To be fair, Arizona is pretty blue too. This isn't a red blue issue, it's a matter of a lack of trust in parents to moderate their children, or using that lack of trust to exploit people in the name of child safety.

blue but with a red majority in house/senate because of silly things. and is why these bills keep passing for Hobbs to veto them (hopefully)

kathyohneke said:
blue but with a red majority in house/senate because of silly things. and is why these bills keep passing for Hobbs to veto them (hopefully)

Well my state has a blue house, senate and governor so clearly there's some bipartisan stuff here. Again, the portrayal of this as a red thing may explain the lack of reporting on it.

EDIT: apparently the authors are red. Considering this has no chance of passing it's probably one of those useless "see I care" bills done just for optics.

cka9se said:
Well my state has a blue house, senate and governor so clearly there's some bipartisan stuff here. Again, the portrayal of this as a red thing may explain the lack of reporting on it.

EDIT: apparently the authors are red. Considering this has no chance of passing it's probably one of those useless "see I care" bills done just for optics.

even California (where i am) had one move through the house a year or so ago but i think it got stuck in committee hell and went nowhere lmao. kinda surprised a bill like that would make it that far in a blue stronghold like CA but idk man