The tag alias #76552 mordetwi -> airplanes_(meme) is pending approval.

Reason: [please read the whole thing and not jump to conclusions]
My request is twofold, actually: 1) rename "mordetwi" to "airplanes_(meme)" or other, and 2) remove the tag from images that have nothing to do with the Airplanes meme/format – such as this image for example:
post #5528564
(This probably would've worked better as a BUR, doesn't it?)
The reasoning behind this is that, apparently, the tag was largely used for the "Airplanes" meme anyway – and it would just be more appropriate if the tag were a little more inclusive for other pairings; and shipping tags aren't allowed here anyway, so I think the tag should not be named after a ship – especially when the meme/format already had a title of its own to begin with.

I've had a couple or so images removed from this tag back then, because they didn't feature the Mordecai x Twilight pairing; now they should be brought back on this tag under the new name of "Airplanes".

https://e621.net/forum_topics/56857
I included the forum topic purely for the sake of having a forum to link back to, but the title/suggestion and the argument of the initial post is largely irrelevant, as I have come to a completely different decision. Check it out if you will – and yes, this is just a copy-paste (with modifications) of what was previously a BUR. Yeah, I don't know how all this works. Sorry about that.

Honestly, I'm just doing this because I don't like the idea of the name of MordeTwi being reduced to "the Airplanes meme"; I think "mordetwi" and "airplanes" being aliases of each other is just incorrect. The pairing had so much else going on for it – until "Airplanes" became a thing, and now it became the only thing the ship was remembered for. (No thanks to Twitter and TikTok rottage, frankly.) Hence, the original plan (in the forum linked) to just simply remove the "meme" implication.
There was real potential for experimenting with how the two characters could interact (disregarding the separate universes) and the possible chemistry between them, and perhaps it's just that they are someone's two favorite characters, or that the characters just seem cute together; but it's as if some people would rather have everyone take that the ship "was always just a joke and nothing more" or something like that, that Airplanes is not its' own separate thing, but a MordeTwi thing or "is MordeTwi". Hot take: that's just wrong. I did research for this.

Sorry for all the musing/rambling, you're probably cringing on me for the above text right now. But to be honest, though, I was actually still debating on whether to go through with this, or just leave it behind entirely and just don't make any changes. If you agree with the latter, please just reject this request.
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You could also just agree (and go through) with the original plan to just remove the implication instead, I guess. I don't know...

You need to take a graduate level Mordecai-Twilight theory course to understand this post

It looks like you are very dedicated to these characters and want to make things right.

With that in mind, I think this case should be to make an update instead of an alias. That way, every post tagged with mordetwi will be changed to use airplanes_(meme).

The reason is that in this website, pairings should not be tagged. It is better to just search for something like mordecai_(regular_show) twilight_sparkle_(mlp) than have a tag for each pairing in existence on this website.

An alias will keep the tag mordetwi existing for replacement when used. Updating will not, and its a better alternative in this case.

oneohthrix said:
You need to take a graduate level Mordecai-Twilight theory course to understand this post

I think the simple version as to why this rename would be necessary is simply: the tag is currently getting used as a ship tag, which is something we don't consider a valid use. the only valid use of the tag would be pieces that refrence to the morditwi Airplanes music video, therefore airplanes_(meme) would be the more coherent tag name.

aninox said:
It looks like you are very dedicated to these characters and want to make things right.

With that in mind, I think this case should be to make an update instead of an alias. That way, every post tagged with mordetwi will be changed to use airplanes_(meme).

The reason is that in this website, pairings should not be tagged. It is better to just search for something like mordecai_(regular_show) twilight_sparkle_(mlp) than have a tag for each pairing in existence on this website.

An alias will keep the tag mordetwi existing for replacement when used. Updating will not, and its a better alternative in this case.

an alias will not leave the tag open by the way, an update would move all tags to the new tag but leave the old tag hanging around. an alias will merge the two tags.

aninox said:
It looks like you are very dedicated to these characters and want to make things right.

With that in mind, I think this case should be to make an update instead of an alias. That way, every post tagged with mordetwi will be changed to use airplanes_(meme).

The reason is that in this website, pairings should not be tagged. It is better to just search for something like mordecai_(regular_show) twilight_sparkle_(mlp) than have a tag for each pairing in existence on this website.

An alias will keep the tag mordetwi existing for replacement when used. Updating will not, and its a better alternative in this case.

an alias effectively "renames" a tag, and for this tag's use I would tend to think that this is the closest valid adjacent and with the tag being renamed I don't think there would be the same reason for users to add it as a ship tag.

manitka said:
an alias will not leave the tag open by the way, an update would move all tags to the new tag but leave the old tag hanging around. an alias will merge the two tags.

Yes, but as far as I know aliases should only exist for things that are a valid way to use it (even for an disambiguation)

mordetwi is not a valid tag in any way, and aliasing it will appear on auto complete (does tags with zero posts appear on auto complete?). It may also lead people to mistag pictures with the pairing as being the meme in question.

I think it's better to remove any aliases and implications on mordetwi, update it to airplanes_(meme) and then give the meme implication to the latter. Or aliasing them just to transfer the implication and then remove the alias (if thats how the system works)

If people keep using mordetwi after the update the category can be changed to invalid

aninox said:
Yes, but as far as I know aliases should only exist for things that are a valid way to use it (even for an disambiguation)

mordetwi is not a valid tag in any way, and aliasing it will appear on auto complete (does tags with zero posts appear on auto complete?). It may also lead people to mistag pictures with the pairing as being the meme in question.

I think it's better to remove any aliases and implications on mordetwi, update it to airplanes_(meme) and then give the meme implication to the latter. Or aliasing them just to transfer the implication and then remove the alias (if thats how the system works)

If people keep using mordetwi after the update the category can be changed to invalid

i was just correcting that since you had it reversed.

my suggestion in the initial thread was to update mordetwi to airplanes and then disambig from there.

aninox said:
Yes, but as far as I know aliases should only exist for things that are a valid way to use it (even for an disambiguation)

mordetwi is not a valid tag in any way, and aliasing it will appear on auto complete (does tags with zero posts appear on auto complete?). It may also lead people to mistag pictures with the pairing as being the meme in question.

I think it's better to remove any aliases and implications on mordetwi, update it to airplanes_(meme) and then give the meme implication to the latter. Or aliasing them just to transfer the implication and then remove the alias (if thats how the system works)

If people keep using mordetwi after the update the category can be changed to invalid

removing an improperly applied tag and an invalidated tag are similarly inconvenient.

generally, invalidation, is only done when there isn't a single tag where a majority of valid uses could be applied. so, I think we generally consider that it's better to try to redirect the tag to valid uses rather than invalidate the tag since it's less likely to add additional work.

dba_afish said:
removing an improperly applied tag and an invalidated tag are similarly inconvenient.

generally, invalidation, is only done when there isn't a single tag where a majority of valid uses could be applied. so, I think we generally consider that it's better to try to redirect the tag to valid uses rather than invalidate the tag since it's less likely to add additional work.

makes sense. you convinced me. idk if there's a way to change the vote but its an thumbs up for me

aninox said:
makes sense. you convinced me. idk if there's a way to change the vote but its an thumbs up for me

click on your thumbs down which will remove it, refresh page, and then hit thumbs up ^^