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Reason: a honey pot is a ceramic pot which is used to hold honey.

also...

the honeypot_ant is the name used to describe the specialized worker ants of several species of ant. these workers consume large amounts of food until their abdomens inflate where it is digested and fermented into a kind of honey. acting as sort of living food containers, they hold this honey inside their bodies until its needed. when full the membrane in their abdomen will become taut and the plates of their exoskeleton will seperate from each other.

"honeypot_(anatomy)" is the name I'm going with to describe both the actual real life feature of honeypot ants ("honeypot_abdomen") and other... less atomically accurate features seen in artist's depictions of them and other arthropod characters.

I did see a bunch of new honeypot tags and I wasn't sure what to do with them lol

also tangential...

dba_afish said:
also tangential...

tangent about arthropod body terminology

in researching this learned the word sclerite which is the term for the bits of exoskeleton on the body of arthropods.

it's always kinda bugged me _heh that we didn't have a _great_ word to use for arthropod body colours/qualities, and, at a glance, this seems like a really good candidate. previously we've had *_exoskeleton, which has seen some useage (and has implications), and *_chitin, which has seen a little, but neither of these really sat quite right with me, *_sclerite would seem to be more accurate and more precise than both of these.

would it be a good idea to switch/alias the existing tags to use "sclerite" instead?

What I've seen is that chitin is what forms sclerite
But I just got major whiplash hearing that word again for the first time in maybe 20 years
If you're looking to tag armor plates, then yes, sclerite would be the anatomically correct term

nin10dope said:
What I've seen is that chitin is what forms sclerite
But I just got major whiplash hearing that word again for the first time in maybe 20 years
If you're looking to tag armor plates, then yes, sclerite would be the anatomically correct term

chitin is what makes up sclerite, but it's also what makes up several other structures in mollusks and some other organisms.

exoskeleton is the name used for the structural elements of an arthropod's body, but it's also commonly used to refer to stuff like power armour and exosuits.

sclerite avoids that slightly ambiguity of those other terms since it's something slightly more clearly arthropod-specific.
(it's also an element of a larger structure, which would make tags using the *_sclerites format closer to other body colour tags like *_feathers and *_scales)

I feel like exoskeleton (the one that's the currently most used and is, like, canonised by having implications) is the worst of the three options, if I'm being honest, and both sclerite and chitin would likely be better words.

dba_afish said:
chitin is what makes up sclerite, but it's also what makes up several other structures in mollusks and some other organisms.

exoskeleton is the name used for the structural elements of an arthropod's body, but it's also commonly used to refer to stuff like power armour and exosuits.

sclerite avoids that slightly ambiguity of those other terms since it's something slightly more clearly arthropod-specific.
(it's also an element of a larger structure, which would make tags using the *_sclerites format closer to other body colour tags like *_feathers and *_scales)

I feel like exoskeleton (the one that's the currently most used and is, like, canonised by having implications) is the worst of the three options, if I'm being honest, and both sclerite and chitin would likely be better words.

Yes, I was agreeing with you :P

nin10dope said:
Yes, I was agreeing with you :P

yeah, I might've already had that loaded from when I was writing the first thing, kinda just waiting for an excuse to expand on my points.

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on topic, I added a few things to the BUR, translucent tags and contents tags.

Definitely didn't expect to read Translucent Balls tonight
Although only one of the posts for that looks translucent, the other 3 look opaque

Agaisnt the non-mammal_breasts implications, otherwise fine.

anicebee said:
Agaisnt the non-mammal_breasts implications, otherwise fine.

I mean
Insects aren't mammals

nin10dope said:
I mean
Insects aren't mammals

hybrid.

anicebee said:
hybrid.

Well damn
Clawstripe says you're right
topic #34495

anicebee said:
Agaisnt the non-mammal_breasts implications, otherwise fine.

nin10dope said:
Well damn
Clawstripe says you're right
topic #34495

I'll reiterate what I've said previously, if the mammaries are clearly being formed out of non-mammalian body structures then they should be tagged with the non-mammal tags, regardless of if a character is, like, part mammal. the abdomen of a honeypot ant is, unequivocally, an arthropod feature, if a character has breasts that look like one of those, they're non-mammal_breasts.

in regards to what Clawstripe had said in that thread:

clawstripe said:
If they're a hybrid with one of the parent species as a mammal, then they would already be tagged as mammal. In those cases, non-mammalian_breasts should be removed as it could be argued that the breasts are one of the parent's mammalian characteristics expressing itself.

while this is true in some cases, maybe most cases... I mean, for example the orca dragon hybrids that a few artist draw, there's not really any point on the character where the dragon stops and the orca begins you can't really say the characters have got, like, orca tits or dragon tits. that's a clear case where non-mammal_breasts shouldn't be used.

however, I don't think that you could really argue that in all cases, especially in cases where there are clear dividing lines between what is a mammal part and what is otherwise, I don't think "transparent membrane with chitinous structural plates that inflates with partially digested nectar" could be argued as having come from a mammalian parent.