The tag implication #67834 disposal -> after_vore is pending approval.

Reason: Disposal, as its a byproduct of vore is always After_Vore and should have the implication. Its only used for this on this site. And across furry in general.

More comprehensive BuR

Related forum to be dealt with on the conclusion of this one. https://e621.net/forum_topics/58075
The bulk update request #11623 is pending approval.

create implication disposal (1707) -> after_vore (7732) # duplicate of implication #67834
create implication bone_disposal (377) -> disposal (1707)
create implication cum_disposal (300) -> disposal (1707)
create implication oral_bone_disposal (179) -> disposal (1707)
create implication oral_bone_disposal (179) -> bone_disposal (377)
create alias burping_up_bones (207) -> oral_bone_disposal (179)
create implication urine_disposal (8) -> disposal (1707)
create implication milk_disposal (20) -> disposal (1707)
create implication vaginal_fluid_disposal (40) -> disposal (1707)
create implication scat_disposal (139) -> disposal (1707)

"Disposal" sounds pretty generic, and could also apply to simply throwing out forms of trash.

watsit said:
"Disposal" sounds pretty generic, and could also apply to simply throwing out forms of trash.

This
I'm very against a general-use word being appropriated by a contentious fetish that many, myself included, find extremely objectionable

Are there many instances of 'disposal' being tagged for non-vore images? Looking at posts that have had the tag removed I found one that was a character in a trash can. Other than that, most removals appear to be people having different opinions on what counts or copy+pasting tags in image sequences.

But if a more specific name is needed post-vore_disposal or post-digestion_disposal might work.

regsmutt said:
Are there many instances of 'disposal' being tagged for non-vore images? Looking at posts that have had the tag removed I found one that was a character in a trash can. Other than that, most removals appear to be people having different opinions on what counts or copy+pasting tags in image sequences.

But if a more specific name is needed post-vore_disposal or post-digestion_disposal might work.

That would be extremely more favorable
I can imagine people thinking like garbage disposal and things (or characters) being thrown away for this tag

watsit said:
"Disposal" sounds pretty generic, and could also apply to simply throwing out forms of trash.

The disposal tag wiki already has it as post-vore and has had it as post-vore since 2017. Its not setting up a new association.

There is 1. 1 image that isnt vore related in it:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=disposal+-vore+-after_vore+-scat

nin10dope said:
This
I'm very against a general-use word being appropriated by a contentious fetish that many, myself included, find extremely objectionable

the disposal wiki is legit about vore so it not being appropriated

gyro said:
The disposal tag wiki already has it as post-vore and has had it as post-vore since 2017. Its not setting up a new association.

funkwolfie said:
the disposal wiki is legit about vore so it not being appropriated

The wiki is irrelevant if the tag name gives people a different impression. The tag has been used in the past to mean "thrown out in the trash/discarded":
post #5492790 post #4567274 post #4189235 post #4178811
These and more had the disposal tag that's been removed in the last two years. A wiki won't stop people from using a word for more generic situations when it has a more generic meaning, since people won't read the wiki if they don't have a reason to. For people who aren't into some fetish, they're generally not going to associate generic words with specific acts of that fetish, so it's better to use a tag name that clarifies its intent when it would otherwise be ambiguous.

watsit said:
The wiki is irrelevant if the tag name gives people a different impression. The tag has been used in the past to mean "thrown out in the trash/discarded":
post #5492790 post #4567274 post #4189235 post #4178811
These and more had the disposal tag that's been removed in the last two years. A wiki won't stop people from using a word for more generic situations when it has a more generic meaning, since people won't read the wiki if they don't have a reason to. For people who aren't into some fetish, they're generally not going to associate generic words with specific acts of that fetish, so it's better to use a tag name that clarifies its intent when it would otherwise be ambiguous.

so because people won't look up a tag for what it means we should completely rename the tags for a couple people, i would agree with you if the tag was throwing_out_trash but its not disposal is a common term in the vore community. and besides what gyro meant is that tag already has vore implicated to it (via the implication feature) so this wouldnt change much other than provide easier searching for the people who use it correctly

funkwolfie said:
so because people won't look up a tag for what it means we should completely rename the tags for a couple people

That's basically why many disambiguation tags exist. Even within the vore fetish, the tag seems to also be taken to mean more general finishing/expulsion or full digestion of a character:
post #5280253 post #5051425 post #4849210
If a word is too easily misunderstood against its intended usage, it's best given a clearer name.

funkwolfie said:
and besides what gyro meant is that tag already has vore implicated to it (via the implication feature) so this wouldnt change much other than provide easier searching for the people who use it correctly

disposal doesn't have any implications or aliases. topic #35158 had a request to alias post_vore_scat to disposal, but also had dissenting votes for being too generic of a term and was rejected.

watsit said:
That's basically why many disambiguation tags exist. Even within the vore fetish, the tag seems to also be used for more general finishing/expulsion or full digestion of a character:
post #5280253 post #5051425 post #4849210
If a word is too easily misunderstood against its intended usage, it's best given a clearer name.

disposal doesn't have any implications (or aliases). topic #35158 had a request to alias post_vore_scat to disposal, but also had dissenting votes for being too generic of a term and was rejected.

sorry misread meant related tags, im very sleepy

Not to mention that one switch by a sink that grinds up stuff that people call the disposal

funkwolfie said:
sorry misread meant related tags, im very sleepy

Even if that's the case, though the first one is someone correcting their own tags, and the latter are not generally accepted within the community, those would all qualify for after_vore anyways which is related to activities after consuming someone. So, those would still have the right implication.

Post_vore_scat shouldnt be aliased here and i"m not arguing for that, because there are several different forms that disposal can take, and that's just one of them. If anything it should just implicate disposal (Though even that might not be accurate given the case of something like messy full tour.

EDIT: Errr...That was at Watsit

Also Nin10dope that device is called a Garbage disposal, not just a disposal.

Its also worth noting that there is less than 1 page worth of things that have had the disposal tag removed on it, in addition to the info above about 1 image being mistagged at all in the tag presently, so that says that in general its not mistagged.

It should still have a definitively distinct name, not the generic "disposal"

Also as far as we cant have something because an occasional person might get confused, well: banding refers to elastration, when it could also be say a type of stripe pattern. So we already have precedent for stuff like that where someone might use a tag wrong and not realize it and it has support in forms of alias/implications.

Disposal is a fairly distinct name. Its what its referred to in the community and no one really uses it differently, as shown by 1K+ tags where its tagged properly on here, and less than 20 where its been misused. And forcing it into a disambiguation is just gonna result in a bunch of things tagged with an invalid tag, when people tag disposal and expect it to be tagged such, for something that doesnt have any other legit uses on the site. And it makes searchability worse.

Though if you really want After_vore_disposal or something like that for clarification then Disposal would need to be aliased to it. Then it would show up on the tagging screen anyways so nobody would be confused.

Disposal is not even remotely comparable to banding. And fortune-telling the idea that disambiguation will cause us to get swamped in mistags is not logical.
And it's already been explained that disposal can very easily have legitimate uses, such as throwing something away.

nin10dope said:
Disposal is not even remotely comparable to banding. And fortune-telling the idea that disambiguation will cause us to get swamped in mistags is not logical.
And it's already been explained that disposal can very easily have legitimate uses, such as throwing something away.

But its not used that way. Like by anyone. The point is for it to matter on E6 for how people tag and search. And banding is absolutely the same. Because markings are tagged on E6 and banding is a type of marking.

gyro said:
Because markings are tagged on E6 and banding is a type of marking.

Banding also has multiple meanings

nin10dope said:
Banding also has multiple meanings

Exactly! And E6 has alias support for banding, despite a common word with multiple meanings, such as elastration, markings, putting bands on creatures for marking them. Elastration is aliased to banding. So I dont see why disposal is getting singled out for special treatment here.

gyro said:
Disposal is a fairly distinct name. Its what its referred to in the community and no one really uses it differently, as shown by 1K+ tags where its tagged properly on here, and less than 20 where its been misused.

"Disposal" isn't a distinct name, it's a common word for getting rid of something (that's where its usage with vore comes from, by applying that word to the vore fetish). Just because it's used in the vore community to mean something specific doesn't mean it's not applicable to other things outside of vore, including other fetish communities using it to mean something related to their particular fetish.

gyro said:
And forcing it into a disambiguation is just gonna result in a bunch of things tagged with an invalid tag, when people tag disposal and expect it to be tagged such, for something that doesnt have any other legit uses on the site. And it makes searchability worse.

The term does have other legit uses on this site, since art can depict things being disposed of in a non-vore way. The initial examples I gave are all legitimately described as "disposal" and aren't vore. The disposal tag is only not applicable because its been monopolized by people using it for a specific fetish; like saying permanent only applies to permanent transformations because that's what people with a transformation fetish want the tag for, even though it could also mean permanent chastity or other depictions of permanence.

watsit said:
"Disposal" isn't a distinct name, it's a common word for getting rid of something (that's where its usage with vore comes from, by applying that word to the vore fetish). Just because it's used in the vore community to mean something specific doesn't mean it's not applicable to other things outside of vore, including other fetish communities using it to mean something related to their particular fetish.

The term does have other legit uses on this site, since art can depict things being disposed of in a non-vore way. The initial examples I gave are all legitimately described as "disposal" and aren't vore. The disposal tag is only not applicable because its been monopolized by people using it for a specific fetish; like saying permanent only applies to permanent transformations because that's what people with a transformation fetish want the tag for, even though it could also mean permanent chastity or other depictions of permanence.

Its distinct in the sense that its not used outside of vore within the furry community. As evidenced by the lack of use on e6 by anyone else. As evidenced by less than 20 where it wasnt used in a vore context. (And many of those were repeats of the same image.) Adding a disposal_(Disambiguation) would just inconvenience the only community on E6 who uses the tag.

Permanence is not the same here because multiple communities actually use it. And you still haven't addressed banding, and why that doesnt have this strange standard of 'well there are many ways it can be interpretted even though its only used on here in one way' standard applied to it.

Also a Key difference between banding and disposal is that Vore is a Contentious fetish, meaning that most people really don't want to see it. And disposal is an innocuous word that would not prepare them for what it means. Whatever we use banding for is not in the same field for fetishes and being visually offensive to the average user.

nin10dope said:
Also a Key difference between banding and disposal is that Vore is a Contentious fetish, meaning that most people really don't want to see it. And disposal is an innocuous word that would not prepare them for what it means. Whatever we use banding for is not in the same field for fetishes and being visually offensive to the average user.

Not really a good argument here, considering that E6 has filters, you can tailor your experience. Also I dont know in any universe where Castration is not a contentious fetish.

gyro said:
Also as far as we cant have something because an occasional person might get confused, well: banding refers to elastration, when it could also be say a type of stripe pattern. So we already have precedent for stuff like that where someone might use a tag wrong and not realize it and it has support in forms of alias/implications.

Disposal is a fairly distinct name. Its what its referred to in the community and no one really uses it differently, as shown by 1K+ tags where its tagged properly on here, and less than 20 where its been misused. And forcing it into a disambiguation is just gonna result in a bunch of things tagged with an invalid tag, when people tag disposal and expect it to be tagged such, for something that doesnt have any other legit uses on the site. And it makes searchability worse.

tbh this is a great reason to disambiguate banding. i mostly think of the marking pattern

nin10dope said:
Also a Key difference between banding and disposal is that Vore is a Contentious fetish, meaning that most people really don't want to see it. And disposal is an innocuous word that would not prepare them for what it means. Whatever we use banding for is not in the same field for fetishes and being visually offensive to the average user.

i mean i feel like elastration (which is castration using elastic bands) is also pretty contentious, most people dont like genital mutilation

nin10dope said:
Also a Key difference between banding and disposal is that Vore is a Contentious fetish, meaning that most people really don't want to see it. And disposal is an innocuous word that would not prepare them for what it means. Whatever we use banding for is not in the same field for fetishes and being visually offensive to the average user.

I just want to clarify, because it sounds like you're saying that castration is not a contentious fetish that most people would prefer not to see.

That, or you didn't actually realise what the 'banding' tag is being used for currently.

gyro said:
Its distinct in the sense that its not used outside of vore within the furry community. As evidenced by the lack of use on e6 by anyone else.

Except the examples I gave, where people were using the tag outside of vore and within the furry community, despite the wiki trying to say it's vore-only.

It's not fair for a sub-community to monopolize a generic word that has legitimate use outside of that sub-community, when the site doesn't exclusively cater to that sub-community. And I feel it's a bit disingenuous to point out that it's not been used much for non-vore when there's an unnecessarily strict wiki definition saying it's vore-only, dissuading at least some from using it for non-vore. Like putting up a sign saying "Vore fetishists only", someone coming by and saying "This place shouldn't be only for vore fetishists", and getting the response "But we like it and most people here are vore fetishists".

manitka said:
i mean i feel like elastration (which is castration using elastic bands) is also pretty contentious, most people dont like genital mutilation

doesnotexist said:
I just want to clarify, because it sounds like you're saying that castration is not a contentious fetish that most people would prefer not to see.

That, or you didn't actually realise what the 'banding' tag is being used for currently.

gyro said:
Not really a good argument here, considering that E6 has filters, you can tailor your experience. Also I dont know in any universe where Castration is not a contentious fetish.

That's my bad, I read it as an elasticity fetish. Scratch that from the record

watsit said:
It's not fair for a sub-community to monopolize a generic word that has legitimate use outside of that sub-community

This ^ That is exactly my problem with it too

_{and also I'm very biased against vore because it makes me ill seeing it}

watsit said:
Except the examples I gave, where people were using the tag outside of vore and within the furry community, despite the wiki trying to say it's vore-only.

This issue is that there's such a small amount of uses outside of vore, not that it's not been used at all. And we can make the same argument for detaching the 'elastration' alias from 'banding', since there are cases of people using it outside of the definition used on the wiki.

It's not fair for a sub-community to monopolize a generic word that has legitimate use outside of that sub-community, when the site doesn't exclusively cater to that sub-community. And I feel it's a bit disingenuous to point out that it's not been used much for non-vore when there's an unnecessarily strict wiki definition saying it's vore-only, dissuading at least some from using it for non-vore. Like putting up a sign saying "Vore fetishists only", someone coming by and saying "This place shouldn't be only for vore fetishists", and getting the response "But we like it and most people here are vore fetishists".

The wiki entry has existed since 2017. If it's been defining disposal in those terms for nearly 8 years, and was too strict, I can't help but feel that somebody on the moderation team ought to have stepped in.

The wiki's are not the definition of a tag. Unless Locked, anyone can write, rewrite, and edit them on a whim with no oversight or credentials. They're intended to represent the communal understanding of the terminology

nin10dope said:
This ^ That is exactly my problem with it too

_{and also I'm very biased against vore because it makes me ill seeing it}

Thats what your filters are for. You literally wouldnt have to see it at all if you filtered it, and so this discussion has literally 0 affect on you.

nin10dope said:
The wiki's are not the definition of a tag. Unless Locked, anyone can write, rewrite, and edit them on a whim with no oversight or credentials. They're intended to represent the communal understanding of the terminology

Also then it would represent the communal understanding of the tag to be about vore then wouldnt it? An understanding that has stood unchanged for 8 years.

Also a communal understanding of something is a definition...thats how definitions are defined.

gyro said:
Also then it would represent the communal understanding of the tag to be about vore then wouldnt it? An understanding that has stood unchanged for 8 years.

Not if anyone uninterested in vore has never seen it. If a use is unchallenged, that does not explicitly mean it's correct. That's like assuming Yes because nobody said No

gyro said:
Its distinct in the sense that its not used outside of vore within the furry community[...]

no, it's not used outside of vore within the vorephilia community.

e6 is a very diverse place, not everyone here is a vorephile, we can't assume that everyone is going to know what the tag they're about to add to a post means, just because you know what it means and you're aware of a lot of others who knows what it means. this why we also avoid using terms like top or bottom and other similar euphemisms whenever possible, because not everyone here has gay sex.

banding, while not a perfect tagname, isn't really all that analogous, mainly that its word dosn't have as many common usages that might be taggable. (although, that being said, elastration really should not be aliased away to it, but that's a separate issue.)

dba_afish said:
no, it's not used outside of vore within the vorephilia community.

e6 is a very diverse place, not everyone here is a vorephile, we can't assume that everyone is going to know what the tag they're about to add to a post means, just because you know what it means and you're aware of a lot of others who knows what it means. this why we also avoid using terms like top or bottom and other similar euphemisms whenever possible, because not everyone here has gay sex.

banding, while not a perfect tagname, isn't really all that analogous, mainly that its word dosn't have as many common usages that might be taggable. (although, that being said, elastration really should not be aliased away to it, but that's a separate issue.)

its not used on e6 outside of the vore community as evidenced by a total of 19 images that arent vore that have ever had it on here.

gyro said:
its not used on e6 outside of the vore community as evidenced by a total of 19 images that arent vore that have ever had it on here.

exactly they are acting like its constant mistagging, Im pretty sure solo_focus gets more mistags a day then 19

nin10dope said:
Not if anyone uninterested in vore has never seen it. If a use is unchallenged, that does not explicitly mean it's correct. That's like assuming Yes because nobody said No

If it were unseen by people not into vore, that would also conversly imply that the tag is not used by people outside of vore. Because otherwise they would have challenged it.

dba_afish said:
no, it's not used outside of vore within the vorephilia community.

e6 is a very diverse place, not everyone here is a vorephile, we can't assume that everyone is going to know what the tag they're about to add to a post means, just because you know what it means and you're aware of a lot of others who knows what it means. this why we also avoid using terms like top or bottom and other similar euphemisms whenever possible, because not everyone here has gay sex.

banding, while not a perfect tagname, isn't really all that analogous, mainly that its word dosn't have as many common usages that might be taggable. (although, that being said, elastration really should not be aliased away to it, but that's a separate issue.)

top bottom may have started as gay sex term but its so widely used now that its used for heterosexual relationships too

gyro said:
If it were unseen by people not into vore, that would also conversly imply that the tag is not used by people outside of vore. Because otherwise they would have challenged it.

That assumes that everyone reads a tag's wiki before using it (they don't) and that someone who wants it to be exclusively for vore would somehow stumble upon that particular post and fight it (not likely) and then that whoever wanted that tag to be on the post and really cared about its removal (rare) would then go to either the Forums or the Wiki and then the Forums to make a post to fight it(extremely rare)

Any disambiguation would need to be part of a two-part BUR starting with a mass update, since the current use really is almost entirely ubiquitous. I'm not entirely opposed to renaming the tag, but simply disambiguating without updating current uses is certainly wrong. Without that, this implication is fine.
An alias to a more clear name would also be fine.

nin10dope said:
That assumes that everyone reads a tag's wiki before using it (they don't) and that someone who wants it to be exclusively for vore would somehow stumble upon that particular post and fight it (not likely) and then that whoever wanted that tag to be on the post and really cared about its removal (rare) would then go to either the Forums or the Wiki and then the Forums to make a post to fight it(extremely rare)

Here's the thing; if nobody reads a particular tag's wiki page, and there are less than 20 occurrences of somebody using that tag in a way contrary to the wiki's entry, I feel like that very strongly suggests that barely anybody uses that particular term for another use anyway. Basically, it seems like nobody's cared enough about non-vore uses of 'disposal' to fight it until now, and this case seems to solely be on the merit of disposal having other definitions rather than because it's actually used in other ways often enough to warrant distinction.

funkwolfie said:
top bottom may have started as gay sex term but its so widely used now that its used for heterosexual relationships too

with the same definitions?

dba_afish said:
with the same definitions?

ye, pegging exists in heterosexual relationships

funkwolfie said:
exactly they are acting like its constant mistagging

No we're not. We're saying it has valid use outside of vore and it's not fair for vore to monopolize it. The fact that some people use the disposal tag without knowing it's meant only for vore just goes to show there's some desire for it outside of vore.

watsit said:
No we're not. We're saying it has valid use outside of vore and it's not fair for vore to monopolize it. The fact that some people use the disposal tag without knowing it's meant only for vore just goes to show there's some desire for it outside of vore.

Some people use banding without knowing its only meant for castration. And Yet. You keep ignoring this bit. Why is disposal special but banding is not? Especially when banding has a higher incidence of being used outside of it.

watsit said:
No we're not. We're saying it has valid use outside of vore and it's not fair for vore to monopolize it. The fact that some people use the disposal tag without knowing it's meant only for vore just goes to show there's some desire for it outside of vore.

only 19 cases for like 8 years i highly doubt thats enough to redo the term

doesnotexist said:
Here's the thing; if nobody reads a particular tag's wiki page, and there are less than 20 occurrences of somebody using that tag in a way contrary to the wiki's entry, I feel like that very strongly suggests that barely anybody uses that particular term for another use anyway.

Some is not all. Some people do read the wiki, either ahead of time or as a result of seeing the tag removed, and those people may stop using the tag (which I feel is unfair, in this case, to do without a consensus from the site's users or admins). Telling people to stay away from a tag for non-vore purposes, and then using the fact that only a few use it for non-vore purposes as an argument that it's okay for it to be vore-only, is a rather poor stance to take.

watsit said:
Some is not all. Some people do read the wiki, either ahead of time or as a result of seeing the tag removed, and those people may stop using the tag (which I feel is unfair, in this case, to do without a consensus from the site's users or admins). Telling people to stay away from a tag for non-vore purposes, and then using the fact that only a few use it for non-vore purposes as an argument that it's okay for it to be vore-only, is a rather poor stance to take.

I mean its so unfair that solo can only be used for images/videos with only one person in it, we really should allow any numbers of people, thats what you are saying, "its not fair a vore tag is only used for vore yiff and not for non vore yiff"

funkwolfie said:
ye, pegging exists in heterosexual relationships

I mean... I'll just have to trust you on that. either way, with how often people think the terms are literal or refer to the characters being more active or passive I'm pretty comfortable in saying that the terms aren't anywhere near reaching ubiquity.

watsit said:
Some is not all. Some people do read the wiki, either ahead of time or as a result of seeing the tag removed, and those people may stop using the tag (which I feel is unfair, in this case, to do without a consensus from the site's users or admins). Telling people to stay away from a tag for non-vore purposes, and then using the fact that only a few use it for non-vore purposes as an argument that it's okay for it to be vore-only, is a rather poor stance to take.

If it were just that in isolation, I might agree with you. But what about the second part of that same post? How many people have actually objected to the use? And of those, how many who objected did so because they wanted to use it differently?

funkwolfie said:
I mean its so unfair that solo can only be used for images/videos with only one person in it, we really should allow any numbers of people, thats what you are saying, "its not fair a vore tag is only used for vore yiff and not non vore yiff"

"Disposal" is not a vore-only word. Disposal is only a vore tag because someone wrote a wiki saying it is. This is vastly different from solo^*, which does mean singular.

^{* Though ironically, some people do argue that solo should apply to posts with any number of characters, and that the tag should count based on individual panels (e.g. something like post #5505659 should be tagged solo and duo despite there being more than one character).}

watsit said:
"Disposal" is not a vore-only word. Disposal is only a vore tag because someone wrote a wiki saying it is. This is vastly different from solo^*, which does mean singular.

^{* Though ironically, some people do argue that solo should apply to posts with any number of characters, and that the tag should count based on individual panels (e.g. something like post #5505659 should be tagged solo and duo despite there being more than one character).}

okay to bring a better example the term sheath, it used to describe here as Tubular fold of skin that protects the penis while it's not in use, but sheath can also mean a sheath for a blade or the lower part of a leaf when surrounding the stem, but since this a furry community we use the more likely one which is tubular fold of skin.
just like how you look up Disposal furry term you see "Final act of conusming another living being, Disposal — Disposal vs. Scat - Its the difference between post vore disposal of remains (Including means other than scat). so its clear Disposal is most often use to describe the aftermath of vore

(dont know how to do tiny text but that sidebar is very silly ty for that)

funkwolfie said:
I mean its so unfair that solo can only be used for images/videos with only one person in it, we really should allow any numbers of people, thats what you are saying, "its not fair a vore tag is only used for vore yiff and not for non vore yiff"

this is kind of a strawman, my dude.

to start "solo" isn't, like, a euphemism/slang/whatever like "disposal" is. solo is relatively intuitive just from its name, you can read it with zero context and be fairly confident of its use guess its use. disposal, not so much, because without knowing that it's a vore thing you... well, wouldn't know it's a vore thing.

edit: there's also the fact that no one's trying to entirely delete/alter disposal as a tag, just rename it.

dba_afish said:
this is kind of a strawman, my dude.

to start "solo" isn't, like, a euphemism/slang/whatever like "disposal" is. solo is relatively intuitive just from its name, you can read it with zero context and be fairly confident of its use guess its use. disposal, not so much, because without knowing that it's a vore thing you... well, wouldn't know it's a vore thing.

yea fair enough mb, Im just kinda annoyed that people are trying to steal terms from a niche subset again, Ill do better

funkwolfie said:
okay to bring a better example the term sheath, it used to describe here as Tubular fold of skin that protects the penis while it's not in use, but sheath can also mean a sheath for a blade or the lower part of a leaf when surrounding the stem, but since this a furry community we use the more likely one which is tubular fold of skin.

In the furry community, yes. And this site expressly caters to the furry community, so it makes sense to lean into furry-relevant terminology.

funkwolfie said:
just like how you look up Disposal furry term you see "Final act of conusming another living being, Disposal — Disposal vs. Scat - Its the difference between post vore disposal of remains (Including means other than scat). so its clear Disposal is most often use to describe the aftermath of vore

That's the meaning in vore communities, not the furry community. That some furries are also in the vore community doesn't make vore-relevant terminology also furry-relevant, unless you want to argue that the majority of furries are also into vore (which I would dispute, but I don't know that anyone has very solid numbers).

funkwolfie said:
(dont know how to do tiny text but that sidebar is very silly ty for that)

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funkwolfie said:
yea fair enough mb, Im just kinda annoyed that people are trying to steal terms from a niche subset again, Ill do better

no one's trying to steal any terms from anyone. we weren't trying to do it when we renamed dickgirl and cuntboy tags back in 2019 or when we did the cub tag split a couple years ago or when we renamed the pussy tags over the last few weeks.

we're not banning the terms or anything when we move away from using, like, subculture terminology in tagnames, we're just trying to make it so that the site can work as smoothly as possible for as many people as possible.

watsit said:
In the furry community, yes. And this site expressly caters to the furry community, so it makes sense to lean into furry-relevant terminology.

Yes that was the point im making

That's the meaning in vore communities, not the furry community. That some furries are also in the vore community doesn't make vore-relevant terminology also furry-relevant, unless you want to argue that the majority of furries are also into vore (which I would dispute, but I don't know that anyone has very solid numbers).

Im saying if you google Furry Disposal term other then "furry trash" the only definition is for vore stuff (from what I can tell).

_Thanks

watsit said:
In the furry community, yes. And this site expressly caters to the furry community, so it makes sense to lean into furry-relevant terminology.

That's the meaning in vore communities, not the furry community. That some furries are also in the vore community doesn't make vore-relevant terminology also furry-relevant, unless you want to argue that the majority of furries are also into vore (which I would dispute, but I don't know that anyone has very solid numbers).

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Are the majority into any particular fetish? If that's the requirement for a term relevant to furries, there's very little we can call furry.

For those who do want to rename the tag, I see two primary options.

1: Simply alias disposal to something (disposal_(vore)? after-digestion_disposal?). Doesn't let the tag be used for anything else, and the only issue it really solves is in the case of one of the rare mistags shows up more obviously in the list.
2: With a two-part BUR, update disposal to one of the above (or something better someone comes up with), then invalidate disposal (or disambiguate it). This would break blacklists.

funkwolfie said:
Im saying if you google Furry Disposal term other then "furry trash" the only definition is for vore stuff (from what I can tell).

"Furry Disposal" as a term doesn't make much sense. That's basically like searching "disposing of furries", which the most direct meaning is not something that most search engines would be keen on giving results for. So a search for "furry disposal" is going to try to find something that's more coherent and less illegal, however niche the results may be.

gyro said:
Are the majority into any particular fetish?

Probably not. The primary thing linking furries together is animals, so more common animal-related terms are what you'd expect for furries to implicitly understand and use.

If we want to know how people in the furry community (and I suppose in the wider online art community, for that matter) use 'disposal' as a term and tag, I took a quick look at Itaku. I would've used FA, but Itaku has a more rigorous tagging culture than FA.

Of the ~1400 images tagged disposal, there are 47 which are not tagged with vore or feces. Of those, all but 11 are mistagged and clearly involve a character disposing of another's remains post-vore. Those 11 posts comprise of 4 alts of the same image, and a 7-page comic.

EDIT: Messed up the tag number initially.

The disambiguation discussion is absolutely ridiculous. It has a very low incidence of misuse. If it was to be disambiguated that could lead to vore-related images missing the after_vore tag which, for those of you who are trying to blacklist vore, should sound like a problem.

watsit said:

That's the meaning in vore communities, not the furry community. That some furries are also in the vore community doesn't make vore-relevant terminology also furry-relevant, unless you want to argue that the majority of furries are also into vore (which I would dispute, but I don't know that anyone has very solid numbers).

This is a straight-up silly argument. Kink/subculture terms are used all the time here. The only way this would have merit is if there was a furry-specific definition of 'disposal' but there isn't.

regsmutt said:
This is a straight-up silly argument. Kink/subculture terms are used all the time here. The only way this would have merit is if there was a furry-specific definition of 'disposal' but there isn't.

Basically this. There are a scant few instances of something like throwing a character in a bin or a dumpster, but we're talking less than 20. That's not significant, and the vore-specific use of the term is extremely widely used on sites that are very much not vore-exclusive.

watsit said:
Probably not. The primary thing linking furries together is animals, so more common animal-related terms are what you'd expect for furries to implicitly understand and use.

I mean, what even furry subculture terminology do we use for tags? I'm not really able to think of anything more than [[feral], honestly.

dba_afish said:
I mean, what even furry subculture terminology do we use for tags? I'm not really able to think of anything more than [[feral], honestly.

most of what I think of are just various genitals and species (but thats cheating), there not actually that many terms that are just animal related

gyro said:
Some people use banding without knowing its only meant for castration. And Yet. You keep ignoring this bit.

• There's already a supported BUR being made to remove that banding alias so this strawman doesn't work
• The bottom line that is not budging is that disposal is a generic everyday word with no implicit expectations of the objectionable fetish a sub-community has assigned to it.

funkwolfie said:
I mean its so unfair that solo can only be used for images/videos with only one person in it, we really should allow any numbers of people, thats what you are saying, "its not fair a vore tag is only used for vore yiff and not for non vore yiff"

This a purposely ridiculous comparison that doesn't have real merit. Please be reasonable.

nin10dope said:

• There's already a supported BUR being made to remove that banding alias so this strawman doesn't work
• The bottom line that is not budging is that disposal is a generic everyday word with no implicit expectations of the objectionable fetish a sub-community has assigned to it.

Another important consideration that isn't going anywhere is that the number of use cases that don't involve vore is tiny. Both here on e6 and in other places, there's a common community understanding that disposal refers to the vore act.

doesnotexist said:
Another important consideration that isn't going anywhere is that the number of use cases that don't involve vore is tiny. Both here on e6 and in other places, there's a common community understanding that disposal refers to the vore act.

The number of uses have been in consideration since the first time it was brought up. It is simply not strong enough to change the basis and with the tag only having 1k uses on a site that hosts multi-millions of posts, calling it a common community understanding is simply unfounded. As active as this forum has been all day only 16 people have deemed to vote on this let alone interact with it, with the majority dissenting the implication request.

Either this implication should go through, or an alternative should be proposed in AIBUR form so it can be voted on. I've mentioned the alternatives, if someone wants to make them into BURs.

nin10dope said:
The number of uses have been in consideration since the first time it was brought up. It is simply not strong enough to change the basis and with the tag only having 1k uses on a site that hosts multi-millions of posts, calling it a common community understanding is simply unfounded. As active as this forum has been all day only 16 people have deemed to vote on this let alone interact with it, with the majority dissenting the implication request.

when you compare it to the number of vore post 82k that "1k" becomes 1.2% of the total vore posts, so yes its a small amount compared to the entire site but so is vore and alot of kinks

scth said:
Either this implication should go through, or an alternative should be proposed in AIBUR form so it can be voted on. I've mentioned the alternatives, if someone wants to make them into BURs.

What do you think the AIBUR should be? I'm satisfied with simply rejecting this implication

nin10dope said:
The number of uses have been in consideration since the first time it was brought up. It is simply not strong enough to change the basis and with the tag only having 1k uses on a site that hosts multi-millions of posts, calling it a common community understanding is simply unfounded. As active as this forum has been all day only 16 people have deemed to vote on this let alone interact with it, with the majority dissenting the implication request.

What do you even want to happen here? The discussion is so far removed from the implication and seems to be bickering about the name. Nobody cares if it's disposal or aliased post-vore_disposal but a disambiguation is a terrible idea.

Your motivation seems confused. An implication will ensure that disposal images carry a vore-related tag. This makes blacklisting easier and better. A disambiguation makes an implication impossible. This all but guarantees that there will be vore images tagged as disposal missing a vore-related tag. It isn't going to make the vore community use a different word or move to a different website. Sorry.