Topic: A transformative pokemon BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Watsit

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The bulk update request #11347 is pending approval.

remove implication pokemon_transformation (107) -> pokemon (557710)
remove implication pokemon_transformation (107) -> transformation (86602)

Reason: These implications were originally added in topic #36441 as part of a massive set of BURs to change some pokémon tags to pokemon, which went by without discussion (the original pokémon_transformation tag didn't have any aliases or implications). Because of a typo in the original implication, it came up in topic #39967 where I did notice it and questioned it's usefulness, but there was no real response. Recently, I started seeing it added to more posts, so I'm making these BURs to kickstart a discussion or change.

pokemon_transformation doesn't seem useful as it's essentially just "pokemon transformation". Even if it's supposed to mean non-pokemon-to-pokemon (which the tag name is ambiguous, there's no wiki to say, and it would leave nothing for pokemon-to-non-pokemon or pokemon-to-pokemon transformations), there are a number of implied transformations where the original form/species is not apparent:
post #5606167 post #5604539 post #4679035 (text, descriptions, and other posts aren't supposed to factor into a given post's tags)
Even still, it seems the vast majority of "pokemon transformation" posts would apply to pokemon_transformation regardless, making it largely redundant. And in cases where a distinction is warranted, we typically tag the less common cases (pokemon-to-non-pokemon and pokemon-to-pokemon) rather than the more common one (non-pokemon-to-pokemon).

This first BUR removes the implications, so a follow-up can alias it:

alias pokemon_transformation -> pokemon

Watsit

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nin10dope said:
The wiki shows that specific trait changes are viable tags, such as species_transformation

Species transformation doesn't really work as a guideline, since it doesn't say anything about what a character transformed from or to, just that the species changed. If we applied that to pokemon_transformation, then it would apply to pokemon-to-non-pokemon too as it would indicate the "pokemon-ness" of a character changed. Though that does help highlight that "pokemon species_transformation" would match even better than "pokemon transformation", further reducing the usefulness of pokemon_transformation.

I'm also generally not a fan of many of the x_transformation tags, aside from the most common ones, since they come across as ambiguous or superfluous. Like, gender_transformation is a character's apparent sex/gender changing, while cock_transformation is a character transforming into a penis... then, foot_transformation is...? How would you think to tag
post #4431506
vs
post #4723793
It doesn't help that a good number of foot_transformation tags seem to also be mistagged with foot_focus, as if someone is trying to draw extra attention to the feet when they're not actually the focus of an image.

nin10dope said:
Also the entire premise of every Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game is pokemon_transformation and I'd hazard to claim that a large population of furries came from those games, myself included.

Not every PMD game, but the four main ones, sure. Though I don't see how that's relevant. Plenty of PMD art doesn't have any hint of a human-turned-pokemon (even for comics that have it as a plot point, it's not relevant in many pages, and pokemon_transformation certainly wouldn't apply to most), and plenty of human-to-pokemon art isn't PMD-related (the whole N is a Zoroark fan theory coming from the main series, along with all the pokemon TF art in a nondescript setting, and pokemon_cafe_remix getting a surprising amount of human-to-pokemon art).

watsit said:
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I bring up PMD because the scenario of becoming a pokemon can be seen as very important and/or sentimental to a lot of furries. Which is something that needs to be taken into consideration.
The transformation wiki does cover blank_to_blank tf tags, but adding another row/column to that table just for pokemon is excessive. The existing tag is concise and sufficient.