We have tags for both forced_handjob and reverse_forced_handjob, but neither have wiki descriptions and their tagged posts overlap significantly. Based on similar tags, it seems like they should mean that forced_handjob is forcing a character to give a handjob and reverse_forced_handjob is forcing a character to receive a handjob, but in practice almost all of forced_handjob depicts the latter case, possibly because people aren't aware of reverse_forced_handjob?

There is also a related question of if these tags should implicate rape or sexual_assault, or both.

How should we standardize these?

I think we should make wikis defining them both and turn this into a tag project.
They probably shouldn't imply rape but should imply sexual assault.

So which one is being forced to have a handjob given to one, and which one is being forced to give one a handjob?

I hate the “reverse” tags for this reason. Why not change it to forced_to_give_handjob and forced_to_receive_handjob? They seem so much clearer to me tbh.

I think it might be because those are rather clunky tags. Though I do have to agree in this scenario, reverse tags should be changed to be clearer in a lot of scenarios. There are at least 6 reverse directions in 3D space and with tags we are practically working with 7 dimensions of meaning. It's all complex and the goal is ultimately to simplify it.

peskeon said:
I think it might be because those are rather clunky tags. Though I do have to agree in this scenario, reverse tags should be changed to be clearer in a lot of scenarios. There are at least 6 reverse directions in 3D space and with tags we are practically working with 7 dimensions of meaning. It's all complex and the goal is ultimately to simplify it.

Exactly, a little bit clunky, but way more descriptive about what they mean.

peskeon said:
So which one is being forced to have a handjob given to one, and which one is being forced to give one a handjob?

Going by the precedent of similar tags, "forced to give" is standard and "forced to receive" is reverse.

manitka said:
I hate the “reverse” tags for this reason. Why not change it to forced_to_give_handjob and forced_to_receive_handjob? They seem so much clearer to me tbh.

They don't seem that unclear to me, but I haven't checked them thoroughly for mistags. There is also an argument that it's better for categorization and autocomplete for all "forced" tags to start with "forced". You're welcome to make a BUR to gauge user opinion.

It's not that they're unclear necessarily, they're just not very intuitive or the most convenient naming convention. Just slapping reverse as a prefix might make a database look more uniform, but it isn't optimal for a user upheld tagging system

While there weren't any mistags in reverse_forced_oral that I could find, there are a lot that are simultaneously tagged with forced_oral, so making that an umbrella tag may be justified.