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remove alias cleavage_tuft (1) -> chest_tuft (143828)
remove alias cleavage_tufts (0) -> chest_tuft (143828)

Reason: "cleavage_tuft" as a tag should be used for any cases where a character with chest tuft emulates cleavage found in breasts. Trying to tag "cleavage" by itself in these situations creates the implication of "breasts" which is incorrect for many flat-chested characters with chest tuft.

For example, the character Manitka Storm is often drawn as a flat chested who has chest tuft that sometimes emulates cleavage.

Examples:

post #5134802 post #5114416 post #5099237

There are also other examples of chest tuft emulating cleavage for flat chested females and characters of other genders with similarly prominent chest tufts such as the Japan Self-Defense Air Force's Omaneko, a male character whose chest tuft is frequently drawn to mimic female breasts.

Examples:

post #1857122 post #4637006

Unaliasing the cleavage_tuft tag would give the chance for these characters' imitation of cleavage to be properly tagged without the false implication of natural breasts.

I think it would be prone to misuse for 'tuft on or in cleavage', rather than 'tuft that looks like cleavage'. Some other term would be better.

atacticaladvantage said:
For example, the character Manitka Storm is often drawn as a flat chested who has chest tuft that sometimes emulates cleavage.

Examples:

post #5134802 post #5114416 post #5099237

Those honestly look like nothing more than simple chest_tuft on a flat chest, just like you can find on males. The first one has a slight line below the tuft like you can find on a toned male chest. I'm not seeing any simulated/imitated cleavage.

atacticaladvantage said:
Examples:

post #1857122 post #4637006

Unaliasing the cleavage_tuft tag would give the chance for these characters' imitation of cleavage to be properly tagged without the false implication of natural breasts.

Since they appear to have (fluffy) natural breasts, they should be tagged such. For that first example, it appears the breasts are spread apart and I don't see any simulated cleavage (formed of fur or not), just large chest_tufts in between their separated breasts.

watsit said:
I think it would be prone to misuse for 'tuft on or in cleavage', rather than 'tuft that looks like cleavage'. Some other term would be better.

What would you recommend then? I can't really think of any tag name that would fit the definition I'm looking for other than the one that already exists.

watsit said:
The first one has a slight line below the tuft like you can find on a toned male chest. I'm not seeing any simulated/imitated cleavage.

The artist themselves stated in a different post they meant for the character's chest tuft to emulate a cleavage when I asked if a tag like cleavage_tuft exists. Since the character is female/androgynous with a female lean, denoting the visual effect in a similar way to a male toned body would be at least moderately inaccurate, no?

watsit said:
Since they appear to have (fluffy) natural breasts, they should be tagged such. For that first example, it appears the breasts are spread apart and I don't see any simulated cleavage (formed of fur or not), just large chest_tufts in between their separated breasts.

I'd agree if there were breasts present if the former character's chest had an even circular breast shape on both sides, but the left side clearly has a more "tuft-y" appearance rather than a circular breast. The post itself tags the character as flat_chested as well (though the character is rather busty in other images lol). The latter one is perhaps a bit too breast-shaped for the example I wanna give though lol. Stupid pseudo-busty catboy.

atacticaladvantage said:
The artist themselves stated in a different post they meant for the character's chest tuft to emulate a cleavage when I asked if a tag like cleavage_tuft exists.

We go by TWYS, it doesn't matter what the artist meant for it to be, only what it looks like. And those examples don't look any different from a chest tuft on any other flat chest:
post #1967879 post #2135814 post #3073184 post #4250514 post #5532234 post #5540424

atacticaladvantage said:
I'd agree if there were breasts present if the former character's chest had an even circular breast shape on both sides, but the left side clearly has a more "tuft-y" appearance rather than a circular breast. The post itself tags the character as flat_chested as well (though the character is rather busty in other images lol). The latter one is perhaps a bit too breast-shaped for the example I wanna give though lol. Stupid pseudo-busty catboy.

The first image I can see the left breast pretty clearly, somewhat squished by the topwear and held away from the center of the chest (top of the breast overlaying their left upper arm, and the bottom of the breast visible coming out of the cupped breast holder), along with the chest being overall very fluffy, so no simulated cleavage.

I'm not really convinced by the arguments made by the OP, and I generally agree with Watsit here, but simultaneously, I'm not sure if this tag really should oughtta be aliased away like it is. to me, something like "A tuft that sticks out from between a character's breasts." does feel like a valid use for a tag.

dba_afish said:
I'm not really convinced by the arguments made by the OP, and I generally agree with Watsit here, but simultaneously, I'm not sure if this tag really should oughtta be aliased away like it is. to me, something like "A tuft that sticks out from between a character's breasts." does feel like a valid use for a tag.

yeah, i feel like a tuft between the breasts is specific enough of a trope to not be aliased to just "chest_tuft" which is a tuft that could be anywhere on the chest.

i mean we have cheek_tuft, chin tuft, nose tuft, facial_tuft, and head_tuft for the head alone, but for chest it's just chest_tuft.

manitka said:
yeah, i feel like a tuft between the breasts is specific enough of a trope to not be aliased to just "chest_tuft" which is a tuft that could be anywhere on the chest.

i mean we have cheek_tuft, chin tuft, nose tuft, facial_tuft, and head_tuft for the head alone, but for chest it's just chest_tuft.

It also implies a different focus on the tuft too since cleavage is a more specific part of the chest than the general chest area. It'd be a useful tag to have even if the exact meaning may diverge from my original intent.

atacticaladvantage said:
It also implies a different focus on the tuft too since cleavage is a more specific part of the chest than the general chest area. It'd be a useful tag to have even if the exact meaning may diverge from my original intent.

I think we can definitely figure out a tag for the fur breasts as well, especially given characters such as angel_dust from hazbin ar frequently pictured with such, injustice have no clue why it could be called

Don't forget to unalias [[cleavage_tufts]] so that it can aliased to cleavage_tuft in the part two that'll have to happen

The part 2 in question

implicate cleavage_tuft -> chest_tuft alias cleavage_tufts -> cleavage_tuft

Reason: It will still be a tuft of fur on the chest, just somewhere more specific.

Also, clevage tuft cleavage tuft looks like just the top section of a happy trail that manages to travel all the way up the torso.
I keep thinking that looking at the example images, if anyone writes a wiki be sure to put a see also section for happy trail

Edit: fixed the misspelling.

peskeon said:
Don't forget to unalias [[cleveage_tufts]] so that it can aliased to clevage_tuft in the part two that'll have to happen

The part 2 in question
Also, clevage tuft looks like just the top section of a happy trail that manages to travel all the way up the torso.
I keep thinking that looking at the example images, if anyone writes a wiki be sure to put a see also section for happy trail

I wouldn’t consider the two to be related personally but if there’s a general consensus maybe?

peskeon said:
Don't forget to unalias [[cleveage_tufts]] so that it can aliased to clevage_tuft in the part two that'll have to happen

Ah, good point, thank you. (Btw it's spelled "cleavage" rather than "clevage." Tricky word.)

peskeon said:
Also, clevage tuft looks like just the top section of a happy trail that manages to travel all the way up the torso.
I keep thinking that looking at the example images, if anyone writes a wiki be sure to put a see also section for happy trail

Maybe? I think happy trail's a different thing like Mantika says.

manitka said:
I think we can definitely figure out a tag for the fur breasts as well, especially given characters such as angel_dust from hazbin ar frequently pictured with such, injustice have no clue why it could be called

There are so many boob/fur boob Angel Dust posts that I'm surprised the TWYS system doesn't slap a good number with the male_(lore) tag. The Omaneko example I used has a "fluffy_breasts" tag but that describes fluffy natural breasts rather than fake breasts made of fur.

peskeon said:
Don't forget to unalias [[cleveage_tufts]] so that it can aliased to clevage_tuft in the part two that'll have to happen

The part 2 in question
Also, clevage tuft looks like just the top section of a happy trail that manages to travel all the way up the torso.

atacticaladvantage said:
Ah, good point, thank you. (Btw it's spelled "cleavage" rather than "clevage." Tricky word.)

Okay I thought I was going crazy for a moment cuz I almost got gaslit into thinking clevage was just another spelling of the word