The bulk update request #11052 is pending approval.

create alias flippers_(anatomy) (0) -> flippers (1562)
create alias flippers_(accessory) (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
create alias diving_fin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
create alias diving_fins (25) -> swimming_fins (211)
create alias divefins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
create alias divefins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)

Reason: Yesterday, I finally found the tag distinguishing swimming_fins (finlike accessories worn on the feet, legs or hands) from flippers (broad, flattened limb adapted for aquatic locomotion ). I'm from a region/grew up with the term "flipper" as commonplace (similar to how sucker aliases to lollipop), so it was a source of confusion for me. Here's a pair of aliases to redirect between the two uses, plus more to synonyms for swimming_fins. It has quite a few already, having seven aliases.

Should flippers be disambiguated if there can be confusion between the swimming accessory and anatomical feature? And use the tags flippers_(accessory) and flippers_(anatomy), since "flippers" is something I also read as meaning either.

watsit said:
Should flippers be disambiguated if there can be confusion between the swimming accessory and anatomical feature? And use the tags flippers_(accessory) and flippers_(anatomy), since "flippers" is something I also read as meaning either.

Wikipedia calls the swimming accessories swimfins but, like-- no one calls them that... or, at least not the footwear ones. I'd probably prefer either flippers_(accessory) or flippers_(footwear).

watsit said:
Should flippers be disambiguated if there can be confusion between the swimming accessory and anatomical feature? And use the tags flippers_(accessory) and flippers_(anatomy), since "flippers" is something I also read as meaning either.

I'm for that too. The only reason I didn't suggest making a disambiguation is because flipper has 1,400+ uses and the wiki defines it as the limb, so I took that as a sort of precedent. If flipper_(accessory) is going to become the aliased-to tag for the accessory, then the aliases to swimming_fins need to be reparented.

dba_afish said:
Wikipedia calls the swimming accessories swimfins but, like-- no one calls them that... or, at least not the footwear ones. I'd probably prefer either flippers_(accessory) or flippers_(footwear).

Wikipedia is based in the United Kingdom, so it might be more common there. God, language is fascinating.

The bulk update request #11055 is pending approval.

mass update flippers -> flippers_(anatomy)
remove alias swim_fin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swim_fins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimfin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimming_fin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimmingfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimmingfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)

Reason: Since flipper seems to primarily refer to the limb, I think it should be mass updated to flipper_(anatomy). We can root through them to find and tag instances of flippers_(accessory).
Also shifting swimming_fins and its aliases over to the latter.

The bulk update request #11056 is pending approval.

create alias flippers (1562) -> flippers_(disambiguation) (0)
create alias flipper_(disambiguation) (0) -> flippers_(disambiguation) (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur
create alias swimming_fins (211) -> flippers_(accessory) (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur
remove alias swim_fin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swim_fins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimfin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimming_fin (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimmingfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)
remove alias swimmingfins (0) -> swimming_fins (211)

Reason: Disambiguation flippers (flippers_(anatomy) or flippers_(accessory)?)
Unaliasing to swimming_fins (replacing with flippers_(accessory))
❗ Approve after BUR #11055

Note: I found a pre-existing page on the wiki flipper_(disambiguation), as in the singular. Aliasing it to the pluralized flippers_(disambiguation) because the focus flippers_(anatomy) or flippers_(accessory) come in pairs (and it would be stupid to have to separate disambiguations due to pluralization)

slocheze said:.
Wikipedia is based in the United Kingdom, so it might be more common there. God, language is fascinating.

I've never heard anyone or any media from the UK use "swimfins" over "flippers". I'm pretty sure all Zelda games use "flippers" in localisations regardless of it being british or US english, and RuneScape (which is british) calls them "flippers" as well (although they also call an item a "wrench", so they might use more americanised terms sometimes).

dba_afish said:
I've never heard anyone or any media from the UK use "swimfins" over "flippers". I'm pretty sure all Zelda games use "flippers" in localisations regardless of it being british or US english, and RuneScape (which is british) calls them "flippers" as well (although they also call an item a "wrench", so they might use more americanised terms sometimes).

I went a far back as I could in the page history (19 December 2008, and it said^{[citation needed]} it's a regional term in North America. Okay.

I know jack about RuneScape, so I had to look up this "Holy Wrench". There's another name for a wrench in English? It better not be "lever". Looked it up, "spanner". Heard it before, but never committed it to memory.

I don’t really love the idea of disambiguating a rather large animal anatomy tag for some semi-niche swim apparatus, particularly since this site caters to animal anatomy specifically and not swim apparatus.

The more important question is whether or not there has been any significant confusion/mistagging between these tags in the past.

spe said:
I don’t really love the idea of disambiguating a rather large animal anatomy tag for some semi-niche swim apparatus, particularly since this site caters to animal anatomy specifically and not swim apparatus.

The more important question is whether or not there has been any significant confusion/mistagging between these tags in the past.

there have been at least 103 instances of the flippers tag being used on the swimming accessory in addition, of the other times the tag was removed, some times it was used instead of flip-flops or slippers.

that being said, I'd probably tend to agree about lack of need for flippers_(disambiguation). simply updating the tagname of swimming_fins to the more commonly used term, and appending _(anatomy) to flippers would probably solve at least some of the issue.

I can say I've looked for a flipper tag for the accessory before and not found it, I had no idea swimming_fins existed.