The tag alias #75904 innocence -> invalid_tag is pending approval.

Reason: This is already the case for innocent and its purpose is better encapsulated by naive.

If it can be replaced by naive in some cases, then invalidation would be better than aliasing to invalid tag

The bulk update request #10749 is pending approval.

remove alias innocent (0) -> invalid_tag (1)
change category innocence (360) -> invalid

Followup:
alias innocent -> innocence

snpthecat said:
If it can be replaced by naive in some cases, then invalidation would be better than aliasing to invalid tag

A fair number don't, especially if dialog isn't taken into account:
post #5397750 post #5392294
Quite a few just seem to be the tagger's interpretation:
post #5154690 post #4928332 post #5159901
with nothing "naive" on display.

beholding said:
The tag alias #75904 innocence -> invalid_tag is pending approval.

Reason: This is already the case for innocent and its purpose is better encapsulated by naive.

"Innocence" has way more images with it than "Innocent". If anything, "Innocent" should be the one to go.

planttentacles said:
"Innocence" has way more images with it than "Innocent". If anything, "Innocent" should be the one to go.

innocent is already gone, aliased to invalid_tag. innocence is just another word for the same thing, so should also be aliased away. It's only a question of whether innocence should be aliased to invalid_tag, or if innocent should be aliased to innocence and put into the Invalid category.

watsit said:
innocent is already gone, aliased to invalid_tag. innocence is just another word for the same thing, so should also be aliased away. It's only a question of whether innocence should be aliased to invalid_tag, or if innocent should be aliased to innocence and put into the Invalid category.

Fair enough

innocent has been aliased to invalid_tag, for the record.

watsit said:
A fair number don't, especially if dialog isn't taken into account:

Quite a few just seem to be the tagger's interpretation:

with nothing "naive" on display.

I'm not saying alias to naive, i'm saying that in some situations there's a valid tag it can be replaced with. There is one more option other than: disambiguating, aliasing to invalid tag, or aliasing to a valid tag

It isn't like the past where we could only invalidate by aliasing to invalid tag. Moving to the invalid category is much better, as it allows the tagger to realise their mistake, and if there is a valid replacement, they (or others) can replace it for them.

So, what tags do we alias to invalid_tag, and what do we put in the category? Is it a grandfather clause type of thing?

lendrimujina said:
So, what tags do we alias to invalid_tag, and what do we put in the category? Is it a grandfather clause type of thing?

In my view, aliasing to invalid_tag is for tags which have no viable replacement whatsoever. For example, comments locked (the staff do not want people looking for these posts), slurs, commissioner tags, and the like.
The current list of tags aliased to invalid tag aren't that reliable (as an indicator for what should be put in there) since most of them were made before there was even an invalid category.

That's my philosophy for it. Watsit on the other hand believes that if the majority of the posts under the tag can't have the invalid tag replaced with a valid one, it should be aliased to invalid_tag. This is because (he believes that) there wont be enough people to replace or delete those tags, and the number of posts under the tags would keep growing

lendrimujina said:
So, what tags do we alias to invalid_tag, and what do we put in the category? Is it a grandfather clause type of thing?

Generally speaking, tags that have no real replacement get aliased to invalid_tag. If all that would happen to it is someone needs to remove it from posts, it gets aliased to invalid_tag which can be removed on sight. However, if the tag should be checked to see if it should be replaced by one or more valid tags, it should be moved to the Invalid category (and disambiguated as needed) so someone can check it and add the appropriate tags that may be missing before removing it. e.g. eyes is in the Invalid category because it may have been intended to be <color>_eyes, closed_eyes, etc, while cute is aliased to invalid_tag because it can mean practically anything (what makes something cute will vary wildly from person to person, so there's no point checking what may have been meant by the tag on a given post).

In this case, I think the valid tags innocence/innocent could have meant (naive, etc) are too sparsely applicable to be useful. The majority of the time, there would be nothing to replace the tag with, and people will be less likely to remove the tag if they don't know what to replace it with, so my concern would be that the tag will stick around on posts more than it would be removed from them. Worse, it may guide people towards using naive as a synonym, causing naive to be mistagged more for characters a tagger thinks have innocence but doesn't show naivety.