Thoughts on the new profile layout?

Personally i like it the about section of your profile is at the top instead of scrolling down to see it i dont think anyone scrolls all the way down to see the about section but i thought it was a neat change

I think it looks nice! Very coincidentally my whole profile perfectly fits in the screen of my M3 mac air, and all the info are more compact, definitely looks cleaner

I wish we had options for the profile layout.
so people could choose the one they prefer

Honestly, while the overall change looks fresh, I feel that the side tab to be unnecessarily.
I'd much prefer to have all the stats on one single tab/section, now it is split between comments & tag changes with the uploads & favourites literally taking a backseat on the bottom of the page.

As someone who hasn't used the site for very long, I don't hate it.

schizz said:
Thoughts on the new profile layout?

Personally i like it the about section of your profile is at the top instead of scrolling down to see it i dont think anyone scrolls all the way down to see the about section but i thought it was a neat change

It’s awful

OK on desktop view, bad on mobile, in my opinion.
Mobile: The times I click on someone's profile to read their about page are approximately zero, so starting there isn't ideal. Information is more spread out, so I find my eyes darting over the screen to try and take on a summation of the profile in question.
General: The little coloured gems are obtuse. It's unlikely to be a issue for highly engaged users, but not at all obvious what it is to newer and more casual people. The cropping on uploads/favs seems more extreme, and is frankly very ugly.
Overall I think that there are a few sidegrades, and a few downgrades. Along with other recent changes it makes me want to switch off mobile mode, to be honest.

It will take a bit to get used to, but I think I like it.

What bothers me a bit is that there is no longer a link to the post replacements that the user has made.
On the previous layout you could click on [pending] next to the replaced button to see these, though that wasn't the most intuitive solution either.
Contrary to the name, it didn't just show the pending replacements, it just showed all replacements that user has made.

I wish the on comments on <#> posts link was still there.
I like the about section being more prominent, having it be the very last part of a user profile was really weird, but having it be the active tab when you're clicking on your own account button seems pointless.

Not a fan. Wish there was an option to opt out of it.

dba_afish said:
I wish the on comments on <#> posts link was still there.
I like the about section being more prominent, having it be the very last part of a user profile was really weird, but having it be the active tab when you're clicking on your own account button seems pointless.

You're right, that link is gone too. That is definitely annoying.
I've used that constantly to check for new comments on my posts.

ive been on board with a lot of the changes made so far but this one just seems silly. it's only a few extra buttons yes but i don't see how this is more convenient than the old layout

The idea isn't bad per-se, but might benefit from some refinement. I tried it on 900p, 1080p and 4k. On the smallest one, the sidebar takes up just a little too much vertical space, on 1080p the height fits nicely, on the 4k screen it looks a bit lost.
Putting the favs next it is a nice idea to keep things from being too empty. For me, the width of that field seems to be greater than the thumbnails though, which doesn't look good. Would be be better if that scaled to the width required. It's currently perfectly sized for the 900p screen.
4k version might seem less lost if more favorites were shown, though that risks overcrowding the smaller screens.
Maybe some option to toggle between a more condensed and a more extensive layout in settings might remedy the inherent tradeoff here.

Other than that, sure enough some getting used to may be needed, but it seems stuff is still easy enough to find and it doesn't look bad.

The number next to my name (a 1 on a green hexagon) looks like it's saying I have 1 unread message, or some other relevant activity that has happened and I haven't yet acknowledged. That's how such a number near your name is usually inferred on other sites. It's not clear at all it's referring to records/user feedback.

snedmano said:
You're right, that link is gone too. That is definitely annoying.
I've used that constantly to check for new comments on my posts.

Comments on your posts are still accessible from the "Comments" tab above your uploads.

watsit said:
Comments on your posts are still accessible from the "Comments" tab above your uploads.

Ah you're right, it's there. I'm just blind again.
As I said, will take a bit to get used to...

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My opinion... too much padding.

watsit said:
The number next to my name (a 1 on a green hexagon) looks like it's saying I have 1 unread message, or some other relevant activity that has happened and I haven't yet acknowledged. That's how such a number near your name is usually inferred on other sites. It's not clear at all it's referring to records/user feedback.

yeah, it should probably go next to or under your user rank.

As an uploader, I dont like the removal of a simple way to find my pending posts

It's a lot more useful for me.

Tangenlty, could you please update the title to be more direct about the topic of the conversation. This is terribly vague.

Honestly I must admit the bio being above the favorites and uploads which was a decent change. However putting everything else on the left was one of the WORST design choices they could have made. Since not only does it look absolutely and utterly ATROCIOUS to look at, but also completely messes with muscle memory.

I sincerely hate the new profile layout. It's not pleasant to look at, and takes much longer to find what I'm looking for. Also, the removal of "on ### posts" from the comments section is honestly annoying. I like to check posts I've remarked on from time to time, just to see if there's further discussion going on that ISN'T a direct reply to me.

I'm fine with it although I do wish their was an option to revert to the classic look.

schizz said:
Thoughts on the new profile layout?

Personally i like it the about section of your profile is at the top instead of scrolling down to see it i dont think anyone scrolls all the way down to see the about section but i thought it was a neat change

It looks weird in my honest opinion

the individual items on the user info section don't have unique classes or IDs so you need to use the nth-child() pseudo class to select them.

its okay on its own but god i wish i could disable it, too used to the old look and thought it looked better + fit with the site more

also my blacklist seemingly doesnt apply to avatars on the new layout but i dont know if thats just my css or a site bug

It's alright. A niche critique of mine is that there is no easy link to see your pending replacements anymore.

/*fix gap under profile tab buttons*/
#profile-tabs { margin-bottom: -1em; }
tabs-menu>button.active, tabs-menu>button { border-radius: 4px 4px 0 0; }

/*user profile stats reduce padding and alternate colors to enhance readability*/
.profile-line { padding: .5em; border-bottom: unset; }
.profile-user-info { grid-template-rows: unset; padding: .5rem 0; gap: 0; }
div.profile-line:nth-child(odd) { background-color: var(--color-section-darken-5); }

/*move user profile mention buttons*/
.profile-line-extra { margin-left: 0; }
div.profile-line:nth-child(1) .profile-line-extra, div.profile-line:nth-child(2) .profile-line-extra, div.profile-line:nth-child(7) .profile-line-extra { margin-top: -1.33em; }
div.profile-line:nth-child(1) .profile-line-extra { margin-left: 7.33em; }
div.profile-line:nth-child(2) .profile-line-extra  { margin-left: 8.5em; }
div.profile-line:nth-child(7) .profile-line-extra  { margin-left: 5.75em; }

/*hide profile stats upload limit explanation*/
div.profile-line:nth-child(3) .profile-line-extra { display: none; }

/*smaller width for user profile changes stats, highlight clickboxes*/
.profile-line-show .entry { width: 7ch; background-color: var(--color-section-lighten-5); border-radius: 4px; }

I will get used to it.

The only thing I am missing is the "pending" link for posts, sometimes I am not sure if I can post something so it was more direct to check then than searching your own name + status:pending...

I got a bit jump-scared by it. I'm also pretty sure the method to update tags where you hit the "?" next to them was removed in the update, but I could easily just be adding that memory into a void that never happened in the first place.

As someone who likes to upload totally normal things from time to time, it's a bit unfortunate the pending link has vanished, but i suppose i could just add "status:pending bleachedasian" in search as a tab whenever i upload anything to keep an eye on things. it's not like I don't already have a rather suspicious quantity of tabs open regardless. the link itself probably does exist somewhere, but i'm too dumb in the brain to figure it out.

Also got jump-scared. Gonna take a bit before I can really give an opinion.

seraphfallen said:
I'm also pretty sure the method to update tags where you hit the "?" next to them was removed in the update, but I could easily just be adding that memory into a void that never happened in the first place.

No that's right. You could click the "?" and the wiki page would have an option to change the tag type which is now missing. I first thought it might simply be not shown for tags that have more than 100 uses, where us non-admins aren't allowed to change it anyway, but it's also missing for mischevious which only has 78 uses so should be able to be changed. Maybe it's not showing because it isn't an actual wiki page, just the placeholder to create one? Unless that's a bug, I don't see a reason to require a wiki page for changing the tag type.

watsit said:
No that's right. You could click the "?" and the wiki page would have an option to change the tag type which is now missing. I first thought it might simply be not shown for tags that have more than 100 uses, where us non-admins aren't allowed to change it anyway, but it's also missing for mischevious which only has 78 uses so should be able to be changed. Maybe it's not showing because it isn't an actual wiki page, just the placeholder to create one? Unless that's a bug, I don't see a reason to require a wiki page for changing the tag type.

It's definitely always been a thing even for smaller tag counts; I use it a lot when dealing with arttags:0 because sometimes people will tag the artist (or the character), but not make the tag an actual "artist"/"character" tag. It was much more convenient to fix the tag that way back when the function still existed, but I suppose in this case I'll just have to get used to manually changing the tag through the tag search and edit function instead on a separate tab.

Hm, not a big fan. I liked the previous layout update better.

Yeah I much prefer the previous profile layout, this feels overly minimalist for no reason.

Not being able to easily change tag categories anymore is also an issue

I'm also on the "against" side. Some of the links are gone, others are harder to get to, and image thumbnails are bunched up so close that they're cropped on mobile.

lendrimujina said:
I'm also on the "against" side. Some of the links are gone, others are harder to get to, and image thumbnails are bunched up so close that they're cropped on mobile.

my thumbnails aren't cropped and I'm only on mobile
there is a setting for that in your advanced user settings, "disable cropped thumbnails"

watsit said:
No that's right. You could click the "?" and the wiki page would have an option to change the tag type which is now missing. I first thought it might simply be not shown for tags that have more than 100 uses, where us non-admins aren't allowed to change it anyway, but it's also missing for mischevious which only has 78 uses so should be able to be changed. Maybe it's not showing because it isn't an actual wiki page, just the placeholder to create one? Unless that's a bug, I don't see a reason to require a wiki page for changing the tag type.

Before, you could change the tag category of any tag which at some point was "created" (had artist entry made, added to post, in a pending alias, etc). Now you need to have a wiki page or create one to change the category. It got grouped under Edit.

Edit: Well that's for changing through the wiki, you can change it through the tag listing but it takes extra effort

snpthecat said:
Before, you could change the tag category of any tag which at some point was "created" (had artist entry made, added to post, in a pending alias, etc). Now you need to have a wiki page or create one to change the category. It got grouped under Edit.

That doesn't sound good. I suspect that will cause a number of pointless (or worse, incorrect) wiki pages to be made just to change a tag to a character or artist type.

snpthecat said:
Before, you could change the tag category of any tag which at some point was "created" (had artist entry made, added to post, in a pending alias, etc). Now you need to have a wiki page or create one to change the category. It got grouped under Edit.

Tags can very much still be edited via https://e621.net/tags, that functionality has not been removed (this is where the previous link went)
The only change is a convinence shortcut being removed

donovan_dmc said:
Tags can very much still be edited via https://e621.net/tags, that functionality has not been removed (this is where the previous link went)
The only change is a convinence shortcut being removed

A pretty important shortcut, though. Especially for fixing tags that should be artists, since creating an artist entry doesn't count.

no not really. somethings are missing with the new layout. not as bad as youtube style changes though. i liked it the way it was before but that just me.

donovan_dmc said:
Tags can very much still be edited via https://e621.net/tags, that functionality has not been removed (this is where the previous link went)
The only change is a convinence shortcut being removed

But what's the point in removing that shortcut though? This just makes it slightly harder to use with no real advantage.
Isn't it better to have redundancy in UI design?

i am pretty discombobulated with all the user stats being on the left-hand side now, but i do honestly really like how user rankings/feedback is listed now

snedmano said:
But what's the point in removing that shortcut though? This just makes it slightly harder to use with no real advantage.
Isn't it better to have redundancy in UI design?

I'm guessing it's because you can now change the tag's category when editing the wiki. the problem there being that you're required to also create a wiki page if the tag lacks one, because the submit button won't work with a blank body.

dba_afish said:
I'm guessing it's because you can now change the tag's category when editing the wiki. the problem there being that you're required to also create a wiki page if the tag lacks one, because the submit button won't work with a blank body.

I guess that makes sense. But I still think keeping that shortcut would have been a good idea.
Most people will probably not know of the possibility to edit the tag type in the tags page, so they will create nonsense or placeholder descriptions instead, just to be able to modify the tag type.

Also, the wiki in how to change the tag type is now outdated (specifically Method 1):
https://e621.net/help/tags (See bottom of the page)

At this rate they should discontinue the website and only make e621 available as a phone application

busahou said:
At this rate they should discontinue the website and only make e621 available as a phone application

Hard disagree on that. The mobile version has been getting the worst of it in my opinion. And mobile users already have access to things like the Wolf's Stash app, which provides a better core experience.

Really, this is a very silly suggestion as nearly half of the userbase still accesses the site from desktop to begin with. The best thing we can realistically do is just to feedback any comments/critique as new updates are released.

quenir said:
Hard disagree on that. The mobile version has been getting the worst of it in my opinion. And mobile users already have access to things like the Wolf's Stash app, which provides a better core experience.

Really, this is a very silly suggestion as nearly half of the userbase still accesses the site from desktop to begin with. The best thing we can realistically do is just to feedback any comments/critique as new updates are released.

the mobile experience on here's really not that bad, I've only needed, like, 240 custom CSS rules to get the site to an optimal state for me. and most of that's just removing or adding margins.

at least it's not like mobile Wikipedia where they decided that collapsing the entire article by default was the way to go for some reason.

busahou said:
At this rate they should discontinue the website and only make e621 available as a phone application

oh hell no, we already have enough damn apps as is. why do we need an entire separate app dedicated to furry porn?

as for what dba afish had to say, i do agree that the mobile experience isn't that bad. ive never really had issues with it, but that could be because im just extremely easy to please in general. all this site needs to do is give me furry porn to look at, and it's doing that job without any issue so why bother complaining :P

I actually like it.

Not a big fan of it myself. I'll get use to it eventually, but as a desktop user and not a mobile phone user, the new layout feels a lot more like it was designed for tiny phone screens.

leotheairwolf said:
Not a big fan of it myself. I'll get use to it eventually, but as a desktop user and not a mobile phone user, the new layout feels a lot more like it was designed for tiny phone screens.

If that was the goal, it backfired hard.
Posts should never overlap each other.

leotheairwolf said:
Not a big fan of it myself. I'll get use to it eventually, but as a desktop user and not a mobile phone user, the new layout feels a lot more like it was designed for tiny phone screens.

the layout on mobile is entirely different. if the user you're viewing dosn't have an about section, it's really not _all_ that different than how it looked in the previous version.

if you want to see what mobile looks like you can squish your window down.

dba_afish said:
the layout on mobile is entirely different. if the user you're viewing dosn't have an about section, it's really not _all_ that different than how it looked in the previous version.

It's quite different than the previous version for me with the desktop UI. The desktop UI has been noticeably changing even though the changes are primarily an attempt to improve the mobile UI.

leotheairwolf said:
Not a big fan of it myself. I'll get use to it eventually, but as a desktop user and not a mobile phone user, the new layout feels a lot more like it was designed for tiny phone screens.

it looks even worse on tiny screens tbh.
in vertical orientation everything is too small to use and it leaves an enormous blank void on the bottom of the page.
and in horizontal orientation the favorites get crushed and clipped while still needing to scroll to see everything.

perhaps the mobile-centric overhauls need to be limited to the mobile mode switch or better browser detection needs to be implemented.
with mobile mode on it looks serviceable.

lendrimujina said:
If that was the goal, it backfired hard.
Posts should never overlap each other.

you can kinda fix that with CSS, but it requires you to have a user about section and that section needs to be equal or taller than your stats. at which point the uploads/favorites span the entire page.

The general idea of the UI I don't particularly mind either way, but I do second the pending posts count problem. And on desktop my posts are now cropped, which doesn't look good in the slightest, especially when some posts are blacklisted.

dba_afish said:
at least it's not like mobile Wikipedia where they decided that collapsing the entire article by default was the way to go for some reason.

And how it hides navboxes and categories, which hinders how I use the site significantly.

dba_afish said:
you can kinda fix that with CSS, but it requires you to have a user about section and that section needs to be equal or taller than your stats. at which point the uploads/favorites span the entire page.

Custom CSS for preferences is one thing, but... requiring it to fix a bug is a little unreasonable.

dba_afish said: if the user you're viewing dosn't have an about section, it's really not _all_ that different than how it looked in the previous version.

if you want to see what mobile looks like you can squish your window down.

Everything for me looks squished and cut off, and in a weird placed if I have the window full screen. Tried squishing the window like you suggested and can't believe it just looks kinda normal and how it used to be if I do that.

Wondering if something is just messed up or broken right now with the current browser mode for that page.

Not a fan honestly, i don't particularly like that everything is just shunted over to the left and oversimplified rather than being neatly stacked in the center. It feels aesthetically displeasing and i dislike how much space is just left unused.

These changes were initially to support mobile users of the site as the site cannot distinguish between you being on mobile or desktop, however this looks worse on mobile? I'm confused. Everything has been shoved to the left and we somehow have less options then we used to.

The site ui and now the profile ui is objectively worse then it was earlier this year. is the desktop version shutting down? Are we losing the Furry Archive site? Just seems odd to do changes no one asked for especially without options to change it back. Just let us do that and we good :) Its really the best method to test things, just see how many users still want to use the old layouts compared to the new one.

casmin7~ said:
These changes were initially to support mobile users of the site as the site cannot distinguish between you being on mobile or desktop, however this looks worse on mobile? I'm confused. Everything has been shoved to the left and we somehow have less options then we used to.

stuff being moved to the left is supposed to be the desktop view, on mobile it's supposed to look like this.

This is off-topic and doesn't matter to the majority of users, but I noticed the link to noteupdater:<name> order:note has been removed. That's fine, but maybe order:note should be added to the cheatsheet? I checked, and it wasn't there.

It’s awful to the point it genuinely pisses me off