The bulk update request #10540 is pending approval.

change category ambient_flier (2524) -> invalid

Reason: This feels too specific to me. I don't think it's helpful to tag the locomotion of an ambient creature.

Alternatively I was thinking perhaps we could have an umbrella ambient_creature tag that all the ambient_* species tags imply, and then bad ambient tags like this one could alias to it. If folks like that idea I'll make another BUR.

ambient_creature sounds good, ambient_* isn't completely sufficient for finding/excluding these characters.
https://e621.net/tags?commit=Search&search%5Bhide_empty%5D=1&search%5Bname_matches%5D=ambient_%2A&search%5Border%5D=date

The bulk update request #10542 is pending approval.

create alias ambient_wildlife (20) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_arthropod (3619) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_bird (2188) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_sealife (1886) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_bat (577) -> ambient_creature (10)

Reason: Setting up ambient_creature

The bulk update request #10543 is pending approval.

create alias ambient_flier (2524) -> ambient_creature (10)

Reason: And the alternative to the OP, aliasing away ambient_flier to ambient_creature. Separate BUR in case we want to both set up the umbrella and keep ambient_flier around

I'm not sure why ambient_flyer has that wiki... Ah, I see... well I don't think that's a helpful definition for that tag.

Originally it was supposed to be for "indistinct v's in the sky that are ambient but not really specific enough to narrow down to tag ambient_* birds/dragons/bats or a set species." And that is still a useful purpose. It's an extremely common phenomenon in art and in the context of ambient_* tags. And it helps keep it under the ambient_* umbrella instead of impacting group counts.

Pretty sure ambient bugs have their own tags already and don't need to be included in this one.

wandering_spaniel said:
The bulk update request #10542 is pending approval.

create alias ambient_wildlife (20) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_arthropod (3619) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_bird (2188) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_sealife (1886) -> ambient_creature (10)
create implication ambient_bat (577) -> ambient_creature (10)

Reason: Setting up ambient_creature

I wonder if we should use something like ambient_animal (or keep ambient_wildlife) and maybe have it imply ambient_creature instead? That way things like ambient_human and ambient_silhouette (if these should even be separate) and other weird things like ambient_ghost could be considered ambient creatures but not ambient wildlife, reserving the latter simply for animals in nature rather than people in the background of a city or other unnatural things.

furrypickle said:
I'm not sure why ambient_flyer has that wiki... Ah, I see... well I don't think that's a helpful definition for that tag.

Originally it was supposed to be for "indistinct v's in the sky that are ambient but not really specific enough to narrow down to tag ambient_* birds/dragons/bats or a set species." And that is still a useful purpose. It's an extremely common phenomenon in art and in the context of ambient_* tags. And it helps keep it under the ambient_* umbrella instead of impacting group counts.

Pretty sure ambient bugs have their own tags already and don't need to be included in this one.

I think this makes sense… though should it be used exclusively for when you can’t tell what it is, or can it be used alongside things like ambient_bird? I’m favoring the latter just because the former would pretty much require a nuke of the current tag since that’s how people have mostly been using it. But it could be a nice fallback tag for indistinct flying things while also having a single tag to use for searching/filtering out any and all background flying things, whether it be a bird, a plane, or Superman. Though I could go either way with that one. If the tag would be more useful after a nuke and wiki rewrite, so be it.

Also, side note: what do we think about moving all of these tags to the general category? I think the species category should be reserved for describing the characters in the image, and ambient creatures are explicitly excluded from character counts, so I feel like these tags should be in the same category as, like, furniture and clothing and such.