The bulk update request #10325 is pending approval.

Reason: More firearm related implications and aliases

@Manitka I'm curious your reason for the down vote on these firearm BUR's. Do you think that the models shouldn't imply the brand, do you not think it's important enough to bother, or is there another reason? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely curious (especially cause no one has made any comments on any of the 3 BUR's lol)

lust_demon_laz said:
@Manitka I'm curious your reason for the down vote on these firearm BUR's. Do you think that the models shouldn't imply the brand, do you not think it's important enough to bother, or is there another reason? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely curious (especially cause no one has made any comments on any of the 3 BUR's lol)

It is probably because we don't see the need for such in-depth copyright trees.

Are we going to have copyright tags for each firearm manufacturer? What about variants of the same firearm (e.g., AR15 variants) or foreign-made firearms made under license or of derivative design?
To extend further, what about other weapons like tanks and fighter aircraft, are we going to include the copyright treatment for them as well?

thegreatwolfgang said:
It is probably because we don't see the need for such in-depth copyright trees.
Are we going to have copyright tags for each firearm manufacturer? What about other weapons like tanks and fighter aircraft, are we doing to include the copyright treatment for them as well?

My logic is basically that we have copyright trees for car/trucks and game consoles, so why not firearms. By the same logic I would also support the same for tanks, aircraft, and even ships if there are a lot of them. Personally I don't see why there shouldn't be a tag for each manufacturer if there are tags for individual models. Though I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if others don't feel this is necessary (but I probably will manually populate the manufacturer tags as least partially) (unless a mod says not too ofc)
Again, not trying to be confrontational, just trying to discuss and understand :3

thegreatwolfgang said:
It is probably because we don't see the need for such in-depth copyright trees.

Are we going to have copyright tags for each firearm manufacturer? What about variants of the same firearm (e.g., AR15 variants) or foreign-made firearms made under license or of derivative design?
To extend further, what about other weapons like tanks and fighter aircraft, are we going to include the copyright treatment for them as well?

As for your edit: unless it's explicitly seen in the image itself what specific manufacturer made it then you couldn't add any manufacturer under TWYS; that's why I didn't suggest implying desert_eagle to a manufacturer, or having ak_47 or ak_platform imply jsc_kalashnikov_concern because there's no way to tell at a glance which specific maker made it; but if the information such as a manufacturer ID or logo or something else is in the picture then that would fall under TWYS and should be tagged imho. Personally I don't see the need to tag each variant, but for logical consistency I don't oppose it.

It could also be helpful if, for example, someone can remember there is a colt firearm in an image but not the specific model, they could search the whole colt's_manufacturing_company tag

Then again I'm not sure how actively searched any firearm related tags even are

lust_demon_laz said:
It could also be helpful if, for example, someone can remember there is a colt firearm in an image but not the specific model, they could search the whole colt's_manufacturing_company tag

Then again I'm not sure how actively searched any firearm related tags even are

Overspecific tagging is an issue, though not a big one at the moment.

I'm not throwing my vote in because I know people do tag this in-depth with certain object models (such as cars or aircraft), but I'm putting my foot down if people are going to tag holding_ak47 or holding any specific firearm model.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Overspecific tagging is an issue, though not a big one at the moment.

I'm not throwing my vote in because I know people do tag this in-depth with certain object models (such as cars or aircraft), but I'm putting my foot down if people are going to tag holding_ak47 or holding any specific firearm model.

Oh yeah, getting that specific is just overkill