The bulk update request #9111 is active.

remove alias dominant_femboy (52) -> femboy (169525)

Reason: While some may say that it is possible to use "dominant_male" and "femboy" or "girly," that still doesn't account for the specific situation where the femboy is the dominant figure in the relationship shown. Using "dominant male" and "femboy" or "girly" could just as easily imply the exact opposite of what I'm looking for, such as a dominant male with a submissive femboy. If this is the wrong way to go about this, I apologize, but this seemed to be the best way to go about requesting this.

EDIT: The bulk update request #9111 (forum #416932) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Somewhat a duplicate of topic #35343

So long as dominant_femboy ends up implying dominant_male, this seems like a reasonable change.

maplebytes said:
So long as dominant_femboy ends up implying dominant_male, this seems like a reasonable change.

femboy ≠ male, that isn't happening regardless

I personally think this tag is fine to have, even if femboy isn't a gender. There's not really any reason to try to argue that doing this allows it to be used like a gender tag, because practically all the other uses of it like that are already aliased away, and they can stay that way. But this particular tag has been requested so many times, and there have been so many tags that were made to get around the alias that I think fighting it anymore is kinda a fruitless endeavor. There's no reason (imo) to keep it aliased anymore.

I was about to create a BUR for this. I furiously disagree with the alias. There has to be a way to search for dominant femboys, without having to scroll through 99% of posts in which the femboy is the sub.

dubsthefox said:
I was about to create a BUR for this. I furiously disagree with the alias. There has to be a way to search for dominant femboys, without having to scroll through 99% of posts in which the femboy is the sub.

One argument is that femboy isn't a gender, so like how semi-anthro isn't a form, it doesn't get the same subtags

snpthecat said:
One argument is that femboy isn't a gender, so like how semi-anthro isn't a form, it doesn't get the same subtags

I'm still not a fan of having any subtags but exceptions can be made for tags that clearly have desire from a lot of users
as long as we manage to keep it under wraps (likely via aliasing away any other possible subtags), it should be fine

donovan_dmc said:
I'm still not a fan of having any subtags but exceptions can be made for tags that clearly have desire from a lot of users
as long as we manage to keep it under wraps (likely via aliasing away any other possible subtags), it should be fine

Is there some way to phrase the tag in a way as to indicate it's for a femboy being dominant, but not follow the dominant_<sex> pattern? To help prevent people from thinking x_penetrating_femboy, femboy_penetrating_x, femboy_rimming, femboy_fingering, etc, are also valid alongside dominant_femboy, as with male, female. etc.

I also worry that a dominant_femboy tag would be heavily misused for femboy_penetrating without any apparent domination (a typical problem with all the other dom/sub tags).

dubsthefox said:
I was about to create a BUR for this. I furiously disagree with the alias. There has to be a way to search for dominant femboys, without having to scroll through 99% of posts in which the femboy is the sub.

there is josou_seme although that is another one'a those impenetrable foreign language tag names.

although, if it's a competition between that and giving femboy the "special noun" treatment like gender and form, I think I'd prefer the former.

watsit said:
Is there some way to phrase the tag in a way as to indicate it's for a femboy being dominant, but not follow the dominant_<sex> pattern? To help prevent people from thinking x_penetrating_femboy, femboy_penetrating_x, femboy_rimming, femboy_fingering, etc, are also valid alongside dominant_femboy, as with male, female. etc.

Can't we just alias those away as they pop up, or even preemptively alias them away?

dubsthefox said:
I was about to create a BUR for this. I furiously disagree with the alias. There has to be a way to search for dominant femboys, without having to scroll through 99% of posts in which the femboy is the sub.

I'm about to blow your mind brother: josou_seme

nin10dope said:
I'm about to blow your mind brother: josou_seme

I literally just said that.

nin10dope said:
I'm about to blow your mind brother: josou_seme

topic #35343

snpthecat said:
topic #35343

The wiki reference is out of date and that topic is 2 years old
It translates to "dominant femboy" (not literally because Japanese, but effectively)

nin10dope said:
The wiki reference is out of date and that topic is 2 years old
It translates to "dominant femboy" (not literally because Japanese, but effectively)

Doesn't matter how old the topic is, it's a pending AIBUR. I'm pointing out it may get aliased

snpthecat said:
Doesn't matter how old the topic is, it's a pending AIBUR. I'm pointing out it may get aliased

Fair point about the age but the wiki reference itself (the basis of the change request) is out of date and also incorrect
Josou Seme just means Girly Top (not necessarily penetrating)
The current wiki on this site is more accurate

nin10dope said:
Fair point about the age but the wiki reference itself (the basis of the change request) is out of date and also incorrect
Josou Seme just means Girly Top (not necessarily penetrating)
The current wiki on this site is more accurate

top does mean penetrating, though.

dba_afish said:
top does mean penetrating, though.

Dominant then. My bad

Oh yeah, this one's collecting dust despite a vast majority of agreements

Sure, why not.

rainbow_dash said:
Sure, why not.

Then reverse implications can be made to imply both words too

I still think a dominant_femboy tag will be heavily misused for femboy_penetrating without any actual domination, and some even misused for assertive_femboy without any penetration or domination, and add even more to the misunderstanding and misuse of dominant mean penetration or assertive, and require more cleanup than not and be the cause of a lot of tag wars for people wanting the tag to apply to a femboy "top" or assertive personality regardless of any domination.

The josou_seme wiki even covers these alternative meanings, with examples showing a femboy penetrating without domination, and a femboy talking assertively without penetration or domination (and even one just talking a little dirty, without being assertive, penetrating, or dominant). Only 2 of its 5 examples could be called dominant.

The bulk update request #9111 (forum #416932) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

watsit said:
I still think a dominant_femboy tag will be heavily misused for femboy_penetrating without any actual domination, and some even misused for assertive_femboy without any penetration or domination, and add even more to the misunderstanding and misuse of dominant mean penetration or assertive, and require more cleanup than not and be the cause of a lot of tag wars for people wanting the tag to apply to a femboy "top" or assertive personality regardless of any domination.

The josou_seme wiki even covers these alternative meanings, with examples showing a femboy penetrating without domination, and a femboy talking assertively without penetration or domination (and even one just talking a little dirty, without being assertive, penetrating, or dominant). Only 2 of its 5 examples could be called dominant.

That's a problem with all dominant tags, this will not be a significant increase to those problems because femboy isn't a gender, so it will likely just be coinciding other dominant tags

nin10dope said:
That's a problem with all dominant tags, this will not be a significant increase to those problems because femboy isn't a gender, so it will likely just be coinciding other dominant tags

It being a problem with other tags isn't a reason to make it a problem with another tag. 'x and y are a mess, so it's okay to make z a mess too' isn't a good reason, to me. Especially if the tag isn't going to be usable for what people want it for, causing mistags, tag wars, and complaints.

can someone explain to me why twink was replaced with femboy? The two are different but this site says they're the same thing

milochu94 said:
can someone explain to me why twink was replaced with femboy? The two are different but this site says they're the same thing

It was previously aliased to male, which was changed to girly, which is now femboy
See topic #31345 for the target change, and topic #15070 for the original alias*

* Aliases from these times are hard to keep track of, especially with previous bugs that fully deleted aliases removed in BURs, so the original alias no longer exists and cannot be used as a point of reference, so this is my best guess of where it came from

milochu94 said:
can someone explain to me why twink was replaced with femboy? The two are different but this site says they're the same thing

Practicality outweighing accuracy

donovan_dmc said:
It was previously aliased to male, which was changed to girly, which is now femboy
topic #31345

but twink isn't fem, it's a short young looking male, usually fit but still masculine. Like it's still very much male, unlike femboy which is a female + penis

milochu94 said:
but twink isn't fem, it's a short young looking male, usually fit but still masculine. Like it's still very much male, unlike femboy which is a female + penis

slim and/or athletic are good directions for what you're describing

nin10dope said:
slim and/or athletic are good directions for what you're describing

not sure how to embed a pic but #256807 is a good example of a twink. But somehow this is now labeled as femboy. I myself am a twink and it's a shame the two are considered the same

milochu94 said:
but twink isn't fem, it's a short young looking male, usually fit but still masculine. Like it's still very much male, unlike femboy which is a female + penis

I'd suggest reading up on those topics before rehashing the same arguments which may have already been made in the past
Regardless this is not the place for that discussion, go start a new topic if you want to argue it should be unaliased

milochu94 said:
unlike femboy which is a female + penis

Also that is very demonstrably false

donovan_dmc said:
I'd suggest reading up on those topics before rehashing the same arguments which may have already been made in the past
Regardless this is not the place for that discussion, go start a new topic if you want to argue it should be unaliased

Also that is very demonstrably false

most femboy furs I see are quite literally a female body + penis with slightly masculine looking face but borderline ambiguous. Post 256807 which I am using as an example of twink is labeled femboy, how in the world is this femboy? What is fem about this bottom? I don't mind making the thread but I don't have high hopes for the tag being unaliased

milochu94 said:
most femboy furs I see are quite literally a female body + penis with slightly masculine looking face but borderline ambiguous. Post 256807 which I am using as an example of twink is labeled femboy, how in the world is this femboy? What is fem about this bottom? I don't mind making the thread but I don't have high hopes for the tag being unaliased

As it stands right now you're hijacking an unrelated topic, when people in the future might search for talks related to the tag they'd expect a topic titled and dedicated to whatever tag is being talked about, not it being buried in an unrelated topic

donovan_dmc said:
As it stands right now you're hijacking an unrelated topic, when people in the future might search for talks related to the tag they'd expect a topic titled and dedicated to whatever tag is being talked about, not it being buried in an unrelated topic

how do you embed pics so I can make the thread

milochu94 said:
how do you embed pics so I can make the thread

thumb #<insertnumberhere>