The bulk update request #8234 is pending approval.

create implication ai_generated_audio (134) -> ai_assisted (440)
create implication ai_generated_background (322) -> ai_assisted (440)
create implication ai_interpolation (2) -> ai_assisted (440)
create implication ai_voice (119) -> ai_generated_audio (134)
create implication ai_generated (1) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_assisted (440) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_generated_audio (134) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_generated_background (322) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_interpolation (2) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_voice (119) -> ai_involved (0)
create implication ai_generated_reference (33) -> ai_involved (0)

Reason: good to get this (ever-growing) category of tags under one umbrella thing for easier blacklisting etc. (credit to CrocoGator in topic #44459 for some of these)

100% needed

Having ai_assisted -> ai_involved makes implying ai_involved redundant for tags that already imply ai_assisted. Therefore, ai_generated_audio -> ai_involved, ai_generated_background -> ai_involved, ai_interpolation -> ai_involved, and ai_voice -> ai_involved can all be removed.

Also, I'm not sure what the difference is between ai_assisted (127 posts) and ai_generated (1 post, pending approval and flagged. Scat warning...)?

crocogator said:
Also, I'm not sure what the difference is between ai_assisted (127 posts) and ai_generated (1 post, pending approval and flagged. Scat warning...)?

I think AI generated should only mean something completely generated by AI while AI assisted is just partially AI like only used as the background or referenced.
It also makes sense that there's no active posts under ai_generated if it's defined that way.

coffeeco said:
I think AI generated should only mean something completely generated by AI while AI assisted is just partially AI like only used as the background or referenced.
It also makes sense that there's no active posts under ai_generated if it's defined that way.

from the wiki page for ai_generated,

Used for posts with any AI generated content in them.
That includes images created entirely by an AI, backgrounds, references, drawovers, and so on.

so it's not just things that are completely generated

notsofemmy said:
from the wiki page for ai_generated,

Used for posts with any AI generated content in them.
That includes images created entirely by an AI, backgrounds, references, drawovers, and so on.

so it's not just things that are completely generated

I was trying to say the current wiki definition sounds confusing (it doesn't mention difference between ai_assisted and ai_generated) and should be redefined.

oh sorry i'm stupid carry on

notsofemmy said:
oh sorry i'm stupid carry on

No it's alright!

If we follow the current wiki definition, I think ai_generated should be the blanket term.

coffeeco said:
No it's alright!

If we follow the current wiki definition, I think ai_generated should be the blanket term.

crud, that would actually be a good use for a tag that seems to currently be on zero approved posts - maybe when the staff approve this they could also do the thing where they change all instances of ai_involved to ai_generated?

Oh you can edit your own BUR.
Click BUR #8234 and you'll see "edit" button there.

coffeeco said:
Oh you can edit your own BUR.
Click BUR #8234 and you'll see "edit" button there.

i figure it might be best if i wait for staff input on it then, since it'd kind of be redefining what ai_generated means - i see your logic and agree the current definition on the wiki could mean that it's an umbrella tag, but it clearly isn't being used as one currently and i'd rather not disrupt the status quo like that before someone in a position of power comments on it if that makes any sense

coffeeco said:
I was trying to say the current wiki definition sounds confusing (it doesn't mention difference between ai_assisted and ai_generated) and should be redefined.

The definition is conflicting because no official discussion ever happened, someone just unceremoniously moved the posts over without saying anything, and we've seemingly just gone with it

i feel like i'm in over my head in this then, i won't edit my bur for now and i'll probably just let the more experienced editors talk this over, i don't really care too much as long as everything ends up implicated to a single tag

EDIT: of course if someone wants to make a better version of my bur or a different bur or whatever they're 100% welcome to

donovan_dmc said:
The definition is conflicting because no official discussion ever happened, someone just unceremoniously moved the posts over without saying anything, and we've seemingly just gone with it

sorry if that was a bad move I did. I thought it would be best to do something while they were in smaller manageable numbers

donovan_dmc said:
The definition is conflicting because no official discussion ever happened, someone just unceremoniously moved the posts over without saying anything, and we've seemingly just gone with it

Honestly, AI assisted is a much better term for most of it. The old term was overly broad and misleading as a result.
The wiki definition for AI generated kind of is more like just AI involved, even if nothing the AI actually did ended up in the final result. Seriously, calling something ai generated because they used an AI to generate references?

deadoon said:
Honestly, AI assisted is a much better term for most of it. The old term was overly broad and misleading as a result.
The wiki definition for AI generated kind of is more like just AI involved, even if nothing the AI actually did ended up in the final result. Seriously, calling something ai generated because they used an AI to generate references?

The current definition of ai_generated (stating "includes images created entirely by an AI, backgrounds, references, drawovers, and so on.") was added 1 year ago while ai_assisted's wiki page was created only 3 months ago
I think ai_generated included any AI involvement coz ai_assisted didn't exist back then?

Should we have the umbrella tag be ai_assisted instead, because as your BUR currently stands the difference between ai_assisted and ai_involved is that the latter includes ai_generated_reference and ai_generated.

If you plan on carrying on with using ai_involved, remove the lines
create implication ai_generated_audio (61) -> ai_involved (0) create implication ai_generated_background (103) -> ai_involved (0) create implication ai_interpolation (2) -> ai_involved (0) create implication ai_voice (26) -> ai_involved (0)
because they're at best redundant

There's also topic #44285 which is a partial duplicate of this BUR

how do i get a staff member to deny or approve my bur instead of leaving it in pending hell for the rest of eternity

notsofemmy said:
how do i get a staff member to deny or approve my bur instead of leaving it in pending hell for the rest of eternity

you can reject your own bur in the edit section if you want to. or you can throw it into the bump thread:
https://e621.net/forum_topics/43250

or you can just wait, they've been going through a lot of old burs and implication/alias requests in the last month.