Topic: [REJECTED] Tag alias: klyntar -> symbiote

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The tag alias #55441 klyntar -> symbiote has been rejected.

Reason: From sybiote wiki page: The Symbiotes (originally known as the Klyntar). Also, Klyntar is not a name of a character. According to the Marvel Database it was actually the name of the home world of the symbiote, and thus used as the species name, but now the name "symbiote" has become more established.

EDIT: The tag alias klyntar -> symbiote (forum #321382) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.

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Symbiote is a real word that means a living organism that biologically lives and depends on another living organism. It isn't specific to Klyntar or Marvel.

watsit said:
Symbiote is a real word that means a living organism that biologically lives and depends on another living organism. It isn't specific to Klyntar or Marvel.

Yeah, this. I think I would prefer to stick with the name klyntar for that reason, even if the name is deprecated in Marvel lore. It’s clearly unique to that species whereas symbiote is not.

post #3010312 is a good example of what real life biologists would call "symbiosis" rather than "parasitism". The "parasites" depicted actually fit the definition of "symbiotes"/"symbionts" more closely.

If klyntar is not a valid alternative to the fictional species, we could at least add a disambiguating suffix to symbiote.

You could alias klyntar to something like symbiote_(marvel) as a species tag, if that's what they're called in Marvel lore these days (and implicate that to symbiote). Though it could become confusing again if Marvel creates another symbiotic species that's different from the ones that come from Klyntar.

watsit said:
(and implicate that to symbiote)

Unless the post is showing symbiosis, can it be assumed that Marvel symbiotes are biological symbiotes in every possible portrayal?

gattonero2001 said:
Unless the post is showing symbiosis, can it be assumed that Marvel symbiotes are biological symbiotes in every possible portrayal?

Depends on how you define symbiote. If a symbiote is a symbiotic species, then it's symbiotic regardless if it's currently in symbiosis, so yes. But if symbiote is only for when you see a particular character in visible symbiosis, then no.

watsit said:
Depends on how you define symbiote. If a symbiote is a symbiotic species, then it's symbiotic regardless if it's currently in symbiosis, so yes. But if symbiote is only for when you see a particular character in visible symbiosis, then no.

The concept of "symbiotic species" doesn't make much sense in isolation, like "predatory species". X can be Y's predator but Z's prey at the same time. Similarly, A can be able to live in symbiosis with B or it can live by itself, which wouldn't make it "symbiotic".

If one of the worms in post #3010312 is depicted alone, would it still be a symbiote?

gattonero2001 said:
The concept of "symbiotic species" doesn't make much sense in isolation, like "predatory species". X can be Y's predator but Z's prey at the same time. Similarly, A can be able to live in symbiosis with B or it can live by itself, which wouldn't make it "symbiotic".

If one of the worms in post #3010312 is depicted alone, would it still be a symbiote?

Here is an issue of TWYS/TWYK. Some birds are predatory, but not all, and it's not easy to deduct from their appearance. I might be wrong with my biology knowledge here, but I could reason that a seed eater bird cannot get nourishments from insects. Other than that, a predatory species is a species that eats prey – either a carnivore or an omnivore. Though, is a carcass eater a non-predatory..?

A symbiotic species is one that has the effective ability of symbiosis. Even if it is able to form a symbiosis with a human, it doesn't make human inherently a symbiotic species. Yet, what are the TWYS identifiers of a symbiotic species? Goo form? Attachment points?

Would it be more proper then to swith klyntar from character tag to species tag, make it implicate symbiote and add all of those Marvel thingies there?

(🤔 It would be likely to often become a forgotten tag, as people only spot the "symbiote" from the tag list.)

gattonero2001 said:
I suggest aliasing symbiote and symbiont to symbiosis and aliasing klyntar to symbiote_(marvel).

symbiote/symbiont could be preserved as a species tag in a similar fashion as scalie, which is often used by TWYK rather than TWYS.

urielfrys said:
symbiote/symbiont could be preserved as a species tag in a similar fashion as scalie, which is often used by TWYK rather than TWYS.

"Scalie" is more of a catch-all than a TWYK. It can be used for some amphibians, for example, which lack scales.