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Topic: [REJECTED] Square Peg, Round Hole (Pegging BUR)

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #670 has been rejected.

remove implication pegging (3972) -> male/female (710998)
remove implication pegging (3972) -> male (2670263)
remove implication pegging (3972) -> sex_toy (143219)

Reason: Based on community reaction to topic #28614 and topic #26364 and topic #4857

If female_penetrating_male does not apply to pegging, then male/female and male don't either, since by necessity it involves a character penetrating another character. Many users have voiced their opposition to the gender specificity of the wiki.

The implication to sex_toy is redundant, since it already implies toying_partner (which already implies sex_toy).

EDIT: The bulk update request #670 (forum #304532) has been rejected by @Millcore.

Updated by auto moderator

I'm confused why pegging is utilized in such a specific manner (mostly in terms of it's gender specificity). I understand pegging is more-or-less defined elsewhere as "when a male receives anal_penetration from a female wearing a strapon/feeldoe", though I'm unsure why this definition should remain in place when a non-female character could be on the penetrating end of pegging, or when a non-male character could be on the receiving end of pegging. Additionally, most of the sexual tags that are utilized here aren't restricted to particular genders in this way.

To me, a better definition for pegging would be "when a character receives anal_penetration from another character wearing a strapon/feeldoe". That way folks can find instances of pegging that includes other genders, and folks can still search for pegging + female_penetrating_male.

d.d.m. said:
I'm confused why pegging is utilized in such a specific manner (mostly in terms of it's gender specificity). I understand pegging is more-or-less defined elsewhere as "when a male receives anal_penetration from a female wearing a strapon/feeldoe", though I'm unsure why this definition should remain in place when a non-female character could be on the penetrating end of pegging, or when a non-male character could be on the receiving end of pegging.

Because then it's just sex. Pegging is specifically a straight role-reversal kink. Taking a typical straight male-on-female sexual interaction, and flipping it around such that not only is the female taking charge, but the male is being penetrated, and still technically leaving it as straight sex. An andromorph-on-gynomorph or female-on-female interaction doesn't hold the same qualities that people expect out of pegging. If you want to expand the definition beyond what everyone else uses, why stop at wearing a strapon/feeldoe and not include penis covers or any phallic object? Why stop at anal penetration, and not include vaginal/oral/cloacal penetration?

My apologies if this is hitting any raw nerves, I don't know whether or not this is a touchy subject. I thought that the strapon/feeldoe and anal_penetration aspects were the key components of the pegging kink, and that the genders of the participants didn't matter. I could be wrong in this assumption, but this is what I thought.

The way pegging is utilized here seems mixed. The wiki definition here is the definition used on most websites and most posts tagged with pegging are female_penetrating_male. However, there are several posts tagged with pegging that includes cases of intersex characters and female_penetrating_female.

Examples

2017 american_opossum anal anal_penetration andromorph andromorph/male andromorph_penetrating andromorph_penetrating_male animal_genitalia animal_penis anthro areola balls bdsm breasts brown_body brown_fur canid canine canine_genitalia canine_penis canis collar dildo domestic_dog dominant dominant_female erection female female_penetrated fur genitals grey_body grey_fur group group_sex herding_dog herpestid intersex intersex/male intersex_penetrating intersex_penetrating_male knot male male/female male_penetrated male_penetrating male_penetrating_female mammal marsupial meerkat multi_nipple nipples object_in_ass pandx pastoral_dog pegging penetrating_while_penetrated penetration penis pussy ruska sandwich_position sex sex_toy sex_toy_in_ass sex_toy_insertion sex_toy_penetration smile strapon submissive submissive_male teeth threesome tongue tongue_out toying_partner trio two_doms_one_sub vaginal vaginal_penetration virginia_opossum welsh_corgi
2014 ambiguous_penetration anal anal_penetration andromorph andromorph/male andromorph_penetrating andromorph_penetrating_male anthro canid canine canis digital_media_(artwork) dildo domestic_dog ekbellatrix female fennec_fox fox group group_sex herding_dog intersex intersex/male intersex_penetrating intersex_penetrating_male male male/female male/male male_penetrated male_penetrating male_penetrating_male mammal nude object_in_ass pastoral_dog pegging penetration piercing pucacorgi sex sex_toy sex_toy_in_ass sex_toy_insertion sex_toy_penetration spoony_(spoonyfox) spoonyfox strapon threesome toying_partner train_position trio true_fox welsh_corgi
anal anal_penetration anthro ball_gag bdsm blindfold bondage boots bound buttplug canid canine canis chain chastity_cage chastity_device clothing degradation digital_media_(artwork) dildo dominant dominant_female duo female female_penetrating female_penetrating_male footwear fox gag gagged hybrid makari makarimorph male male/female male_penetrated mammal object_in_ass pegging penetration pink_chastity_cage pinned plug_(sex_toy) sex sex_toy sex_toy_in_ass sex_toy_insertion sex_toy_penetration shoes strapon submissive submissive_male toying_partner wolf
2020 abdominal_bulge anal anal_penetration anatomically_correct anatomically_correct_genitalia anatomically_correct_pussy animal_genitalia animal_pussy black_body black_fur black_pussy blue_eyes canid canine canine_genitalia canine_pussy canis cheek_tuft dildo domestic_dog dominant dominant_female dominant_feral duo facial_tuft feathered_wings feathers feet female female/female female_penetrated female_penetrating female_penetrating_female feral feral_on_feral fur genitals gloves_(marking) grey_body grey_eyes grey_fur hi_res husky independence inner_ear_fluff larger_female leg_markings mammal markings multicolored_body multicolored_fur nordic_sled_dog outside paper-wings penetration plant purple_body purple_fur purple_pussy pussy sex sex_toy size_difference sky smaller_female socks_(marking) soles spitz spread_legs spread_toes spreading strapon toes toying_partner tree tuft two_tone_body two_tone_fur white_body white_fur wings wolf
2019 african_wild_dog anal anal_penetration black_claws black_nose bodily_fluids brown_body brown_fur canid canine claws collar cum digital_media_(artwork) dildo dominant dominant_female dragon duo european_mythology facial_piercing female female/female female_penetrated female_penetrating female_penetrating_female feral feral_on_feral from_behind_position fur genital_fluids hair huge_penetration interspecies living_condom looking_down looking_pleasured lotus_(whitefeathersrain) lying male male/female male_penetrated mammal mythological_creature mythological_scalie mythology nose_piercing nose_ring object_in_ass on_front open_mouth pegging penetration piercing pink_body pink_fur pink_hair red_eyes ring_piercing scalie sex sex_toy sex_toy_in_ass sex_toy_insertion sex_toy_penetration size_difference smaller_penetrated strapon strapon_sex tail tongue tongue_out toying_partner western_dragon white_body white_fur whitefeathersrain

While I understand from a kink perspective preserving the straight role-reversal aspect of pegging, I don't know why the wiki definition should remain unchanged when this would leave pegging open to being mis-tagged on posts that don't include female_penetrating_male, and when searching for pegging + female_penetrating_male would find the same desired results.

d.d.m. said:
My apologies if this is hitting any raw nerves, I don't know whether or not this is a touchy subject.

No worries here. Not touchy for me at all, I just think it's more useful to leave as female_penetrating_male + anal_penetration + strap_on/feeldoe (with role_reversal and female_domination overtones). The more you move away from that, the less useful it is as a tag altogether, I feel. The proposed definition of "when a character receives anal_penetration from another character wearing a strapon/feeldoe" feels like it would be largely covered by strap_on/feeldoe + anal_penetration (and where ambiguous_penetration could cause issues for people searching, blacklisting, or tagging).

d.d.m. said:
While I understand from a kink perspective preserving the straight role-reversal aspect of pegging, I don't know why the wiki definition should remain unchanged when this would leave pegging open to being mis-tagged on posts that don't include female_penetrating_male, and when searching for pegging + female_penetrating_male would find the same desired results.

As it is currently, some changes are needed. It's currently implicating male/female, when female_penetrating_male + anal_penetration + role_reversal + toying_partner would be more appropriate given the current definition (interestingly, it also implicates just male, which is already covered by male/female...). However if the definition is to change to not depend on the characters' sex, nor be related to role reversal or female domination, male/female (and male) isn't an appropriate implication and it should just be anal_penetration + toying_partner instead.

I still think that pegging would be a much more useful tag if it applied to any character who has no penis (female, andromorph, and in rare cases ambiguous_gender) anally penetrating a character with a penis and no pussy (male and gynomorph) using a hip-based dildo, and not just female_penetrating_male posts, it's a situation that's specific enough to want to find images of it but it's difficult to find without using really long searches because no one wants to slightly change the definition of a tag.
honestly, as it stands now that we have x/p/y as a tag group that's pretty well populated, pegging, as a tag, is pretty much totally deprecated. if every post was tagged perfectly fm/p/m ~strapon_sex ~feeldoe should get you nearly the same posts as pegging would. also it's implications are all totally out of wack because no one really knows what they want it to be now.

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