Implicating dalek → alien
Link to implication

Reason:

It is a alien race.

EDIT: The tag implication dalek -> alien (forum #215740) has been rejected by @furrypickle.

-1. i dont know a shit about doctor who but they look like robots. not aliens.

Mutisija said:
-1. i dont know a shit about doctor who but they look like robots. not aliens.

Really depends on how they're depicted. The robot part isnt actually the dalek at all, thats a mobile tank suit.

http://blog.perthmint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Inside_Dalek.jpg

Inside that they're one eyed brain squids.

GDelscribe said:
Really depends on how they're depicted. The robot part isnt actually the dalek at all, thats a mobile tank suit.

http://blog.perthmint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Inside_Dalek.jpg

Inside that they're one eyed brain squids.

in that case they should not be tagged as aliens unless the actual alien inside is visible because.. otherwise they literally look like robots.

Mutisija said:
in that case they should not be tagged as aliens unless the actual alien inside is visible ... otherwise they literally look like robots.

yep.

-1

Mutisija said:
in that case they should not be tagged as aliens unless the actual alien inside is visible because.. otherwise they literally look like robots.

-1 from me as well. Following the TWYS policy, what Mutisija said would imply that Daleks are robots until proven otherwise.

Ah, yes: Schrödinger's Dalek. Until the image is uploaded, the Dalek is both an alien and a robot!

Mutisija said:
-1. i dont know a shit about doctor who but they look like robots. not aliens.

"Alienigena life" means life form which came from out of this planet, not needing to be totally organic. According the wiki, the only requirements for a creature be tagged as "alien" are:

• 1) be alienigina (if is possible find This information, of course).
• 2) seems alienigina.

But, what is "seems alienigina"?
When people hear "alien" they usually think in creatures with strange proportions, coloration or covering; sometimes with appendices (antennaes, tentacles etc), aditional body parts (multiple limbs, multiple eyes etc) or missing body parts (no limbs, eyeless etc) and almost any body shape.

Some alien examples:

post #982046 gem.

post #1042666 cybertronian.

post #284853 unknown species.

post #836091 flora fauna

As you can see, a large variety of creatures (including robots) may seem alien depending on who see them.

As a species daleks are extraterrestrials and are widly established as being such.
If alien cant be added then nether can dalek be applied here as that is a name of a alien species.

At the moment there is not requirement under the wiki that aliens have to be organic.

PS: why do i keep seeing vagina in your words 016

Ruku said:
As a species daleks are extraterrestrials and are widly established as being such.
If alien cant be added then nether can dalek be applied here as that is a name of a alien species.

At the moment there is not requirement under the wiki that aliens have to be organic.

PS: why do i keep seeing vagina in your words 016

Tell me, without delving into any DW lore (aka TWYK), what makes a Dalek an alien? Is it because they look like an alien, or a robot? Is literally every image of a Dalek depicted as the little thing inside?

Please, elaborate how your ultimatum "either they are aliens, or they are not Daleks at all" is flawless. Implications don't work on 99%. Or, 6%-ish in this case.

Siral_Exan said:
Tell me, without delving into any DW lore (aka TWYK), what makes a Dalek an alien? Is it because they look like an alien, or a robot? Is literally every image of a Dalek depicted as the little thing inside?

Please, elaborate how your ultimatum "either they are aliens, or they are not Daleks at all" is flawless. Implications don't work on 99%. Or, 6%-ish in this case.

The question could also be asked what makes a xenomorph a alien and not some kind of insect. yes it is outside information, character names and species are the 2 things that just cant fall solidly under twys. Its already a alien by simply calling it a dalek thats the point im making this is not a ultimatum but a consequence of taging something as dalek that is known to be a species of aliens in the doctor who franchise.

Ruku said:
As a species daleks are extraterrestrials and are widly established as being such.

Maybe not "widly", but it is true.

If alien cant be added then nether can dalek be applied here as that is a name of a alien species.

Not necessarily. For example: "boss monsters" (undertale) aren't actual monsters, according the monster wiki, but the term continues being used due search reasons.

At the moment there is not requirement under the wiki that aliens have to be organic.

Exactly!

PS: why do i keep seeing vagina in your words 016

Wait, what?

Ruku said:
The question could also be asked what makes a xenomorph a alien and not some kind of insect. yes it is outside information, character names and species are the 2 things that just cant fall solidly under twys. Its already a alien by simply calling it a dalek thats the point im making this is not a ultimatum but a consequence of taging something as dalek that is known to be a species of aliens in the doctor who franchise.

Xenomorphs don't look like they are from this world, though... do they? But robots, since they are made and not born, can look like anything they want. what is to stop a Dalek from being made by man, or at least the shell, and not get the tag, especially when it can be made clear that there is no little man inside.

If you can't see the alien, why tag it as alien? Or should TWYK "apply", despite the only cases it works for is character names. Daleks aren't names...

How many dalek images actually show daleks?

TWYS: I see a robot, but I don't see the alien piloting that robot. What is the robot called?

Siral_Exan said:
Xenomorphs don't look like they are from this world, though... do they? But robots, since they are made and not born, can look like anything they want. what is to stop a Dalek from being made by man, or at least the shell, and not get the tag, especially when it can be made clear that there is no little man inside.

If you can't see the alien, why tag it as alien?

Because dalek in of its self is an alien, i see a dalek, i see an alien, it does not matter if its just a shell sence we do also tag the species that someones costume may be representing. I presume also that if someone drew a empty turtle shell it would still be tagged as turtle.

And it is kinda dabatible if xenomorphs are really not from this world when comparing to other rare but real terrestrial species that may also look alien to what we perceive the world commonly as. A point that you kinda miss also is that a robot can also be extraterrestrial which is what a alien by definition is, a extraterrestrial, the tag makes no difference between organic and inorganic, natural or unatural so if anything it would be tagged both.

Siral_Exan said:
Tell me, without delving into any DW lore (aka TWYK), what makes a Dalek an alien? Is it because they look like an alien, or a robot? Is literally every image of a Dalek depicted as the little thing inside?

Please, elaborate how your ultimatum "either they are aliens, or they are not Daleks at all" is flawless. Implications don't work on 99%. Or, 6%-ish in this case.

I know this question aren't for me, but anyway: what make dalek an alien (Without TWYK) is its strange aparence (probably the same that make someone tag this thing as an alien). And is important to know that this specific tag need a little outside knowledge, if not, I could tag any post that shows a charr with "alien" because charrs (I don't know if the plural is correct) seem alienigina to me.

You see a little grey man, I see a sophisticated piece of machinery. I see TWYS, you see TWYK.

I see a robot that can be made, a shell that gets tagged Dalek, you are saying all shells need the alien inside them, or they are not Daleks. Especially since all taggable higher life requires some form of arguable sentience ( things capable of "higher" living recognize that they are alive, the ability to think is also required; trees, while alive, can't get the tag alien or etc.)), living or dead, and the shell is not sentient. The little grey man inside is... but please, show us what a real Dalek is, and not the metal surrounding them.

*editing it in since not all will get the quip: a little grey man came in a spaceship. Are you going to tag the grey man as an alien, or the spaceship as an alien?*

Siral_Exan said:
You see a little grey man, I see a sophisticated piece of machinery . I see TEYS, you see TWYK.

I see a robot that can be made, a shell that gets tagged Dalek, you are saying all shells need the alien inside them, or they are not Daleks. Especially since all life requires some form of arguable sentience (all things capable of living recognize that they are alive, the ability to think is irrelevant), living or dead, and the shell is not sentient. The little grey man inside is... but please, show us what a real Dalek is, and not the metal surrounding them.

No what im saying is that whats inside does not matter the shell still gets taged as an alien. Also repeating what i have said previously the alien tag makes no difference between organic/inorganic or natural/artificial so even machinery can be alien if its extraterrestrial.

post #1021655 why is this tagged as undead when there is a living character inside a mummy costume

post #46937 still tagged as its represented species and form when its clear that its a humanoid/human inside a costume

Edit: We dont tag spaceships as a species unless its some kind of living/thinking thing itself(aeromorphs...)

Ruku said:
post #1021655 why is this tagged as undead when there is a living character inside a mummy costume

He's cosplaying as a mummy, so mummy is tagged. Mummy is implicated to undead, so undead is automatically added. While he isn't undead, he is cosplaying as an undead creature.

BlueDingo said:
How many dalek images actually show daleks?

TWYS: I see a robot, but I don't see the alien piloting that robot. What is the robot called?

post #262222
This one

Siral_Exan said:
You see a little grey man, I see a sophisticated piece of machinery. I see TWYS, you see TWYK.

I see a robot that can be made, a shell that gets tagged Dalek, you are saying all shells need the alien inside them, or they are not Daleks. Especially since all taggable higher life requires some form of arguable sentience ( things capable of "higher" living recognize that they are alive, the ability to think is also required; trees, while alive, can't get the tag alien or etc.)), living or dead, and the shell is not sentient. The little grey man inside is... but please, show us what a real Dalek is, and not the metal surrounding them.

*editing it in since not all will get the quip: a little grey man came in a spaceship. Are you going to tag the grey man as an alien, or the spaceship as an alien?*

Acctually it is more like an armor or shell than a robot. Like a snail, the dalek inhabits its "shell", almost never comes out and usually need to be killed if you want to remove it. In fact the organic and the inorganic parts are so integrated that daleks are also called cyborgs in the series

Extra info: When some person is turned into a dalek (yes, this may happen) the armor slowly growths over the person's body due nanotechnology.

O16 said:
According the wiki, the only requirements for a creature be tagged as "alien" are:

• 1) be alienigina (if is possible find This information, of course).
• 2) seems alienigina.

The wiki article was written in 2009, don't pay much attention to it. It has needed a complete rewrite for a long while.

Quite a few species listed aren't alien enough to be tagged as such, even some implications are no longer valid. Such as the gems, which were deemed to look human.

Ruku said:
post #1021655 why is this tagged as undead when there is a living character inside a mummy costume

Not too relevant to this thread, but that's a good question.
Not sure why it got implicated. What about actual Egyptian mummies? Those get the undead tag too, even though they're clearly just mummified corpses. There's a reason why mummy is a general tag, not a species..

+1 They should be tagged aliens.

Excusing its hiatus, Doctor Who is the longest-running sci-fi show in history. The Daleks are its single most iconic alien race. An anecdotal person somehow not knowing they are aliens and not random robots is drastically outweighed by their status as a classic sci-fi species known to probably 90% of humanity.

Being "a robot" or cyborg does not preclude x from being an alien. (Cybermen, Cybertronians, etc.)

If the Daleks can't be tagged alien because it isn't clear to a hypothetical ignoramus just from looking at them, then many cartoon characters (e.g. certain Sonic characters) can't be tagged by species because it isn't always clear from looking at them either:

post #182570

When I was introduced to this character, she was named only as Mina. I thought she was supposed to be a bear. Later I found out her full name is Mina Mongoose.

If she was not called that I would probably never have figured this out because she looks a lot more like a bear than a friggin' mongoose.

The tag implication dalek -> alien (forum #215740) has been rejected by @furrypickle.

For our next update request:
imply dalek -> cyborg
Right?

darou said:
No what im saying is that whats inside does not matter the shell still gets taged as an alien. Also repeating what i have said previously the alien tag makes no difference between organic/inorganic or natural/artificial so even machinery can be alien if its extraterrestrial.

post #1021655 why is this tagged as undead when there is a living character inside a mummy costume

post #46937 still tagged as its represented species and form when its clear that its a humanoid/human inside a costume

Edit: We dont tag spaceships as a species unless its some kind of living/thinking thing itself(aeromorphs...)

https://thelastangel.fandom.com/wiki/Naiad