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ConfusedWaterDemon
Membereven if you get out that bill is still probably gonna follow you lol
Aurora Spirit
Memberwell no shit the issue is the bill would make it impossible for adults to use the site without telling the government "hi im a furry please target me with your future anti-furry bills"
Bongani
MemberThis is less about actually protecting children and more about intimidating adults.
KynikossDragonn
MemberYou know what *actually* protects children?
Parents actually being fucking parents, doing actual parenting, not giving their children access to the internet whatsoever.
Squirrelz
MemberFor us non-US based users: https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/bill/arizona-hb-2112/
Kids aren't allowed on this website, but it's the parents that are responsible for child proofing their devices
DirtyRatMatt
MemberBut wouldn't this law cause issues with the GDPR we have in Europe though? I'm not an expert on it, but you would think that a law created by the European Union to protect your privacy would be incompatible with this regional, U.S.-focused law. Maybe an admin can shed some light on this because it's quite puzzling for me.
yetanotherartfan
MemberEurope also has some rule 'that site owners should check if visitors are old enough to view age restricted content' and GDPR permits collecting personal information 'if it is necessary to provide the service' on the site (and present you with a big privacy policy document that you are aware).
Well take youtube as example, there are certain videos that are tagged 'adult age only'.
And to make sure users comply with the age restriction youtube/Google/Alphabet demands you log in and provide them your credit card or driver license or (goverment issued) identity card.
So for them these 2 rules play along nicely to maximize collecting info on you as an unique individual.
At some point Google/Alphabet bought the blogspot.com domain and applied the restricion there as well.
There are / were? a few nsfw furry artists that posted updates on their work That I can't view anymore as a guest without account.
E6 has a simple 'I am over legal age >yes >no' popup.
If kids or teenagers want to look at restricted content they will find a way. (use identification of parents without their knowledge to gain access or worse)
As others mentioned it is the parents / guardians that should keep them in check. (in my opinion certain parent allow their childeren so much, that young people feel entitled to anything)
I'd say leave the site owner responsibilities as is, you only cause more damage by demanding identification.
juan sin pelo
MemberThanks, because I wasn't understandig that reference
Cinder
Admin"Won't someone please think of the children" is almost never a genuine talking point.
Of course, children should not be allowed on this site. And they are not.
However, requiring every visitor to the site to identify themselves with a real-life ID is a wildly inappropriate way to enforce this.
First of all, it is ineffective. It only targets sites that do business in Arizona.
It would still be trivial for minors to access porn sites hosted elsewhere using a free VPN.
The law just makes life a lot harder for sites that are hosted in AZ, like e621.
Secondly, the law is a security nightmare.
Age verification requires visitors to send sensitive information to third parties over the internet.
The mere collection of this information opens users up to the risk of data breaches, identity theft, and blackmail.
There had already been cases in Louisiana of phishing sites posing as porn sites to collect IDs.
Third, it's a privacy nightmare.
People who push for laws like this are also very interested in identifying people who they view as degenerates.
While visitors to regular porn sites typically don't fall under that category, consumers of fringe content definitely can.
Let me make something very clear.
We do not want minors on e621. The adult industry in general is very much in agreement on that.
The best way to protect children from this kind of content is through their parents by using parental control filters.
E621 already includes an RTA (restricted to adults) label, which means that the parental controls would not let minors access the site.
It's a system that already exists, and works fairly well – as long as parents take responsibility for their own children.
Akros The SpeedDemon
Member"not giving their children access to the internet whatsoever."
FULLY! FUCKING! AGREE!
A girl, estimated around four years old, was groomed on roblox by a predator. Without parental supervision, she went off with the guy, getting kidnapped. A week later, guess what? They found her body in a fuckin' ditch. Police didn't find the suspect ever. That's right, you heard me, he got away with it And maybe if we didn't spend so many resources targeting people just going about their day, if we passed bills that said you needed to be a higher age to access the internet? Maybe this could of been avoided.
Instead of going after murderous pedophiles like the ones @ Roblox who get away with it every day, bills like this DIVERT resources and actually do more harm than good.
Texas; a place where skinheads and fucking nazis congregate to make the world more racist, transphobic, homophobic, and xenophobic. I hope Greg Abbott bites his own tongue from it being so vile.
dnalre
MemberEven, if an older teen finds pornographic content, most of them aren't going to immediately shatter like glass, we just don't want anyone accidentally finding this stuff or using it to replace sex ed. Hell, you can even buy pornographic magazines before 18 in my country which is literally said in the legislation. I am not sure if this is one of those situations, but some states have started to try making anything LGBTQ+ related pornographic.
If someone wanted to bypass this law, they could rent a VPS (which is cheaper than a VPN) from another state or country and have access back with little technical knowledge.
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