I'm a lover of all cartoon/anime porn so I myself like a good loli comic every now and then. And no, I'm no pedo. In fact I have three younger siblings and just from dealing with them I can say I really don't like kids all that much but Loli is alright with me.

Thoughts? Oh and listening to this is mandatory while on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYoRaxgOE0ll

I didn't watch the video.

If you're going to ban Loli/Shota or whatever "underage" drawings you personally find morally difficult for you to deal with, you're going to have ban all the porn on this site since that's all "morally wrong" as well in someone's mind. Scat? That's disgusting, banned. Bondage fetish? That's abusive, banned. Furry porn? That's akin to bestiality, banned.

Why people get their underwear in a bunch over the poor innocent pixelated children is beyond me. Maybe you should express some of that energy in the direction of actual real life children getting exploited in child porn rings.

Dumbasses.

It'd be nonsense to ban lolicon.

It's fictional, therefore; no harm comes to children.

Though some moronic folks would say it "inspires" people to molest children or

something like that.

Dominion said:
It'd be nonsense to ban lolicon.

It's fictional, therefore; no harm comes to children.

Though some moronic folks would say it "inspires" people to molest children or

something like that.

Well, it's illegal to view lolicon here in the UK, even on foreign sites.

So I have to be extremely careful with my blacklist nowadays

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well, it's illegal to view lolicon here in the UK, even on foreign sites.

So I have to be extremely careful with my blacklist nowadays

wow. I can't even imagine being tried and convicted for looking at a fucking cartoon...

Imaderule34 said:
wow. I can't even imagine being tried and convicted for looking at a fucking cartoon...

Yeah. I'm just lucky I live in the middle of nowhere in the UK, so the cops just can't really be bothered with going all the way out here just for that. But it's still officially illegal.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well, it's illegal to view lolicon here in the UK, even on foreign sites.

So I have to be extremely careful with my blacklist nowadays

Wow and the UK tries to criticize the US for our crazy backwards politics, LOL.

Gotta protect those picture children from imaginary moral decay!

I'm pretty sure that Canada, USA and Australia also have some laws about that kind of stuff. While I'm not sure on the exactitude, possessing pornographic pictures having minors in is illegal and depending on the country, the laws are more or less gray about fiction/reality of the media. At least for Canada, I know that it's best not to be caught possessing cartoon/anime loli (I knew one canadian artist who always paranoid at the idea of the police/FBI watching what he would draw all the time)

Should furry pornography be banned?

It doesn't hurt anybody, until it does. Furry pornography is a well known gateway to bestiality, an immoral act of animal harm. Proponents of naked anthropomorphic art could attempt to abuse synthetic biology in order to make furry creations into reality, a serious breach of bioethics. Fur and scale-covered pornographic imagery turns many under-18s into sexual deviants that cannot interact sexually with their opposite and same-sex hooman peers. The furry community has also produced a hybrid genre of furry and lolicon (underaged imaginary characters) called "cub" that takes child exploitation into a new frontier. Society cannot tolerate the fur menace any longer. Since pornography is not free speech, we should regulate obscene imaginary pornography and shut down "safe spaces" such as e-621.

lance what the fuck are you going on about

Lance_Armstrong said:

Should furry pornography be banned?

It doesn't hurt anybody, until it does. Furry pornography is a well known gateway to bestiality, an immoral act of animal harm. Proponents of naked anthropomorphic art could attempt to abuse synthetic biology in order to make furry creations into reality, a serious breach of bioethics. Fur and scale-covered pornographic imagery turns many under-18s into sexual deviants that cannot interact sexually with their opposite and same-sex hooman peers. The furry community has also produced a hybrid genre of furry and lolicon (underaged imaginary characters) called "cub" that takes child exploitation into a new frontier. Society cannot tolerate the fur menace any longer. Since pornography is not free speech, we should regulate obscene imaginary pornography and shut down "safe spaces" such as e-621.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Well+meme+d+comp_c3661e_5436149.jpg

Y'know, I can't say for Australia or Canada, but, I'm pretty sure I saw a thread about this exact same thing (Ban loli) on the Gelbooru forums, someone tried pointing out it was illegal in the US. Someone looked up the laws and it isn't.

Neitsuke said:
I'm pretty sure that Canada, USA and Australia also have some laws about that kind of stuff. While I'm not sure on the exactitude, possessing pornographic pictures having minors in is illegal and depending on the country, the laws are more or less gray about fiction/reality of the media. At least for Canada, I know that it's best not to be caught possessing cartoon/anime loli (I knew one canadian artist who always paranoid at the idea of the police/FBI watching what he would draw all the time)

Lance_Armstrong said:

Should furry pornography be banned?

It doesn't hurt anybody, until it does. Furry pornography is a well known gateway to bestiality, an immoral act of animal harm. Proponents of naked anthropomorphic art could attempt to abuse synthetic biology in order to make furry creations into reality, a serious breach of bioethics. Fur and scale-covered pornographic imagery turns many under-18s into sexual deviants that cannot interact sexually with their opposite and same-sex hooman peers. The furry community has also produced a hybrid genre of furry and lolicon (underaged imaginary characters) called "cub" that takes child exploitation into a new frontier. Society cannot tolerate the fur menace any longer. Since pornography is not free speech, we should regulate obscene imaginary pornography and shut down "safe spaces" such as e-621.

What have you been huffing?

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
lance what the fuck are you going on about

Ozelot said:
What have you been huffing?

I think you guys need a metal detector, 'cause you didn't notice that he's being ironic.

It's not something that interests me, calls my interests, or should be worth my time.

I don't care, simply because it doesn't hinder me in any way, shape, or form.

Fenrick said:
I think you guys need a metal detector, 'cause you didn't notice that he's being ironic.

brb hanging myself in shame for that joke

CARLOS!!!

As someone who works with children who have been molested by pedophiles, and so on (doing it as part of my studies), the whole lolicon/shotacon/toddlercon issue hits me hard. I was also molested.

If you're going to ban lolicon/shotacon/toddlercon, you may as well ban furry pornography, bestiality art, zoophilia, rape art, snuff, scat, etc. Irony as the internet is filled with it.

I know for a fact that lolicon/shotacon/toddlercon comes under the child pornography laws here in Australia and it is illegal. There are some states in America that are advocating for it to also come under the child pornography laws and lea t a harsher penalty. Many child molesters who are caught with thousands of images of child pornography also have a small amount of drawn art as well.

Whilst I dislike anything that sexualizes children and would like it banned, I highly doubt Dave, Varka, etc would go around and ban it from e621 until it comes under Arizona law that works like that are illegal.

If you enjoy the art, good for you. Jut be very careful and look up the any legal mumbo jumbo on if it is banned in your area.

And do NOT go deep web. I'm begging you.

Also I'm ranting. Why am I ranting on a furry porn site. what.

i still know how to differentiate fantasy from reality and (the drawn/animated pics and not actual cp >.>) would never even consider such things irl. (that'd be stupid and SO not worth the trouble it'd getme into.) so imo, no but i would like to point out that the thread title should've probably said "Should Lolicon/Shotacon be banned?".

gotta love the legal system in some places on this planet where they can't tell the difference from what's fantasy and what's real (hello russia, iirc). that bothers me about as much as how news channels on the tv choose to use topics like video games and/or furries as freaking scapegoats sometimes instead of focusing on the real f'ing problem like how some people have actual mental conditions aside from things like this.

what i mean is, not everyone that looks at stuff like this (the drawn/animate stuff, not the real cp) is a pedo or would consider doing such acts irl. but, people do like to generalize things. :(

as for the deep web and dark net. yeah...i knew a hacker (let's just say, while not the direct cause himself, he had a hand in why wizardry online went down. :/ unfortunate but stuff happens.) a year or so ago and he warned me about that kind of stuff back when we used to chat on skype. besides, from what i've seen of the "hidden wiki" on Tor browser, i doubt theres all that much in those regions of the net that i'm particularly interested in.

Are we talking about morally should we, or legally should we? (ban lolicon).
On the former, probably not (I'm of the firm opinion that repressing art of X is -not- an effective way to prevent or even reduce the real life occurrence of X.)
On the latter, hell no; Thoughtcrime is an invalid concept. Politicians proposing such laws are far more busy shouting 'won't anybody think of the children' than actually, you know, thinking of the actual children.

Lolicon is doubleplusungood. That being said its not really hurting anyone (but then again when was that ever a reason to legalize anything).

Also the majority of "cp" on the deep web (which is relatively hard to find mind you) is just basically from hacked/recorded webcams, and snapchat like programs. Meaning, that many of the cp on the dark web was actually put on the internet by the children themselves in an indirect way. That's why you don't sext each other kiddos.

treos said:
as for the deep web and dark net. yeah...i knew a hacker (let's just say, while not the direct cause himself, he had a hand in why wizardry online went down. :/ unfortunate but stuff happens.) a year or so ago and he warned me about that kind of stuff back when we used to chat on skype. besides, from what i've seen of the "hidden wiki" on Tor browser, i doubt theres all that much in those regions of the net that i'm particularly interested in.

There's plenty tor has to offer ranging from the legal to illegal. But when it comes to legal things, generally the surface net does it 100x better because tor is slow and clunky.

I have a simple question: why there is a thread about whether lolicon (what about shotacon?) should be banned, but there isn't thread about pictures that contains death and violence? Including violence done to kids.

BTW:

Moon_Moon said:
Lolicon is doubleplusungood.

Oh, really?

Granberia said:
BTW:
Oh, really?

I can't believe these searches work now.

savageorange said:
Are we talking about morally should we, or legally should we? (ban lolicon).
On the former, probably not (I'm of the firm opinion that repressing art of X is -not- an effective way to prevent or even reduce the real life occurrence of X.)
On the latter, hell no; Thoughtcrime is an invalid concept. Politicians proposing such laws are far more busy shouting 'won't anybody think of the children' than actually, you know, thinking of the actual children.

agreed

Moon_Moon said:
There's plenty tor has to offer ranging from the legal to illegal. But when it comes to legal things, generally the surface net does it 100x better because tor is slow and clunky.

true (the hidden wiki shows that quite clearly since i'm sure a good number of links you'd see there are quite illegal) though iirc, tor is slow partly because it bounces the connection through multiple locations whenever you use it. of course that also plays into the whole anonymity aspect that Tor focuses on.

Granberia said:
I have a simple question: why there is a thread about whether lolicon (what about shotacon?) should be banned, but there isn't thread about pictures that contains death and violence? Including violence done to kids.

BTW:
Oh, really?

that's true. It's funny but I think the media is more ok with murdering children, for examples movies, then they are with sexualizing them. I mean they show kids dying in movies all the time.

Not that I root for either.

I see no reason why lolicon should be banned.

The closest thing to a reason I've heard is that "it might encourage crimes against actual children", but I've never heard any evidence to back that up.

Nah. We go by Arizona law and I doubt that will change any time soon.

Clawdragons said:
The closest thing to a reason I've heard is that "it might encourage crimes against actual children", but I've never heard any evidence to back that up.

we meet again FOX News (or any other idiotic news channel/site that says bs like that). only, swap out "it might encourage crimes against actual children" for "video games cause violence and/or violent crimes".

i hate it when people say crap like that. i'm sure they also have something similar to say about the furry fandom as well. >.> *insert insult of you're choice here* (i didn't actually say an insult ;))

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well, it's illegal to view lolicon here in the UK, even on foreign sites.

So I have to be extremely careful with my blacklist nowadays

Same here in Germany

Neitsuke said:
I'm pretty sure that Canada, USA and Australia also have some laws about that kind of stuff. While I'm not sure on the exactitude, possessing pornographic pictures having minors in is illegal and depending on the country, the laws are more or less gray about fiction/reality of the media. At least for Canada, I know that it's best not to be caught possessing cartoon/anime loli (I knew one canadian artist who always paranoid at the idea of the police/FBI watching what he would draw all the time)

Technically even drawn Lolicon is prohibited here in Germany (same with zoophilia pictures). But actually it's nearly only real pornography of those who get the cops attention

treos said:
we meet again FOX News (or any other idiotic news channel/site that says bs like that). only, swap out "it might encourage crimes against actual children" for "video games cause violence and/or violent crimes".

i hate it when people say crap like that. i'm sure they also have something similar to say about the furry fandom as well. >.> *insert insult of you're choice here* (i didn't actually say an insult ;))

Fox... arent these the idiots who say racism based crimes are only done by "Lone Wolfs" and have nothing to do with several racist organisations? (I don't know the channel since it doesn't broadcast in Germany)

No.

It's fucking drawings.

Arrest the sick fucks who produce child porn, not people who draw it.

I'm glad that my taxes are going towards U.S. operations shutting down sites on fucking TOR instead of actually going after people who rape kids.

(Massive sarcasm on that ^)

D4rk said:
Fox... arent these the idiots who say racism based crimes are only done by "Lone Wolfs" and have nothing to do with several racist organisations? (I don't know the channel since it doesn't broadcast in Germany) [/quote] i think so, or at least, it probably wouldn't be the first time if they did cover stuff like that. (i don't watch the news on tv all that much) though, if a criminal/shooter/whatever was found to be playing video games before committing whatever crime he/she did i wouldn't be surprised if Fox first pointed fingers at the video games INSTEAD of focusing on any real problems the criminal in question might have had, such as preexisting mental problems, and then a fair bit later on move to the real problems. [quote]Dragonlayer said: No. It's fucking drawings. Arrest the sick fucks who produce child porn, not people who draw it. [/quote] i think most of us share and agree with this point by now, more or less.

Loli is for hug, not fug.

So, if lolicon gets banned, would this have to go too? :O

I don't see any problem with it if its heavily stylized but apart from that Lolicon is a no-no for me, keep it away.

Also the sooner the politicans and the courts make up their minds if it should be illegal or not the sooner we can get rid of the grey area surronding lolicon and finally come to a conclusion on this.

(And by that I mean universally accept lolicon as acceptable or unacceptable)

ImmortalityZen said:
I don't see any problem with it if its heavily stylized but apart from that Lolicon is a no-no for me, keep it away.

Also the sooner the politicans and the courts make up their minds if it should be illegal or not the sooner we can get rid of the grey area surronding lolicon and finally come to a conclusion on this.

(And by that I mean universally accept lolicon as acceptable or unacceptable)

and shotacon (lolicon = female, shotacon = male)