Why aren't femboy_penetrating, femboy_penetrated and the like supported tags? They would disambiguate situations like male_penetrating_male femboy, where it isn't known whether the femboy is a top or bottom, or even if both male characters are feminine. As such it can certainly affect the audience the post is aimed at.
Would appreciate your thoughts on this!

Femboy is not a gender tag

donovan_dmc said:
Femboy is not a gender tag

that wasn't my point though :/

averagebuttlover said:
that wasn't my point though :/

He gave the answer though. They aren't supported tags because the X_penetrating/ed style tags are for genders and femboy isn't a gender.

Honestly... stuff like this can just be a set. It doesn't need to be a whole tag to itself. A Set would work just fine.

emionix said:
He gave the answer though. They aren't supported tags because the X_penetrating/ed style tags are for genders and femboy isn't a gender.

Honestly... stuff like this can just be a set. It doesn't need to be a whole tag to itself. A Set would work just fine.

sets and pools are tied to users (sets especially so). Tags are more favorable for uploading. If the style is the issue, then something like femboy_top/bottom seems reasonable.

emionix said:
He gave the answer though. They aren't supported tags because the X_penetrating/ed style tags are for genders and femboy isn't a gender.

Honestly... stuff like this can just be a set. It doesn't need to be a whole tag to itself. A Set would work just fine.

He didn't give the answer, he vaguely implied it. Which confuses users not familiar with forum discussions.

averagebuttlover said:
Why aren't femboy_penetrating, femboy_penetrated and the like supported tags? They would disambiguate situations like male_penetrating_male femboy, where it isn't known whether the femboy is a top or bottom, or even if both male characters are feminine. As such it can certainly affect the audience the post is aimed at.
Would appreciate your thoughts on this!

josou_seme will be helpful for you, as it translates practically to dominant femboy

nin10dope said:
josou_seme will be helpful for you, as it translates practically to dominant femboy

Thanks for actually participating with something useful! I do have to note it only works (in blacklist terms) in conjunction with -power_bottom, but it still seems like it could leave some ambiguous cases.
It's curious to me why we have tags like herm_penetrated, herm_penetrating, maleherm_penetrated and maleherm_penetrating, since they don't refer to gender (intersex does in this case, herm and maleherm are defined by appearance).

averagebuttlover said:
Thanks for actually participating with something useful! I do have to note it only works (in blacklist terms) in conjunction with -power_bottom, but it still seems like it could leave some ambiguous cases.
It's curious to me why we have tags like herm_penetrated, herm_penetrating, maleherm_penetrated and maleherm_penetrating, since they don't refer to gender (intersex does in this case, herm and maleherm are defined by appearance).

To be fair, all non-lore gender tags are defined by appearance on this site.

nin10dope said:
To be fair, all non-lore gender tags are defined by appearance on this site.

which does seem to make the "femboy is not a gender" excuse a bit baseless

averagebuttlover said:
which does seem to make the "femboy is not a gender" excuse a bit baseless

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

nin10dope said:
He didn't give the answer, he vaguely implied it. Which confuses users not familiar with forum discussions.

Yes, he could have explained what he meant by that. I did explain it though and offered a potential solution.

averagebuttlover said:
Thanks for actually participating with something useful!
...

I'm not really a fan of this passive aggressive stuff here. I gave you an answer to your question (which is definitely a useful participation), and I find the insinuation that I contributed nothing to the discussion to be frustrating and untruthful. You don't have to like the idea of making a set for this kind of thing but I suggested it partially because, in my opinion, this approaches the territory of being overly specific.

The reality is that femboy is not a gender tag, and I don't see it becoming one at any point based on how many times this exact discussion has been had, and how there's never been any meaningful progress toward making femboy a gender tag. Through that lens, a set to collect posts matching specific criteria may be a helpful tool.

averagebuttlover said:
If the style is the issue, then something like femboy_top/bottom seems reasonable.

If this is something you would like to propose, feel free to do so.

emionix said:
Yes, he could have explained what he meant by that. I did explain it though and offered a potential solution.

And I adore you for doing so (really it is appreciated) but it's still something that needs to be addressed a little more, that some of the more experienced users need to consider how little of past Forum discussions the average user will be aware of. The phrase I've heard that's relevant to this is "The advanced person doesn't know what the inexperienced person doesn't know" but I'll step off my soapbox for now lol

The real part that will continue to cause these requests to keep reappearing is that "it has to be a gender tag in order to get the x_doing_x style of tags" when in reality that's just a tentatively agreed upon standard by the more experienced users (including us and the staff). The average user just won't see it that way because the gender requirement isn't logical at a surface level, only at the level of indexing does it start making more sense.

nin10dope said:
...something that needs to be addressed a little more, that some of the more experienced users need to consider how little of past Forum discussions the average user will be aware of. The phrase I've heard that's relevant to this is "The advanced person doesn't know what the inexperienced person doesn't know"...

I agree with this.

And I think my tone in the original comment I made may have been a bit more sharp than it needed to be, as I've seen this discussion so many times recently that I'm tired of (what seems to me) another discussion that will go nowhere. So in attempting to give an answer I ended up being more blunt than was required.

nin10dope said:
The real part that will continue to cause these requests to keep reappearing is that "it has to be a gender tag in order to get the x_doing_x style of tags" when in reality that's just a tentatively agreed upon standard by the more experienced users (including us and the staff). The average user just won't see it that way because the gender requirement isn't logical at a surface level, only at the level of indexing does it start making more sense.

This is also true and I think I, personally, need to take a step back from my analytical mindset and think about what someone else would think of when approaching this.

emionix said:
I'm not really a fan of this passive aggressive stuff here.

I'm sorry I came off that way, I really didn't mean to.
I'm just a little frustrated by the general difficulty with working out this kind of stuff here, since I don't spend that much time on it (also it's like 2 AM and I'm tired).

emionix said:
If this is something you would like to propose, feel free to do so.

This is not something I know how to do

averagebuttlover said:
I'm sorry I came off that way, I really didn't mean to.
I'm just a little frustrated by the general difficulty with working out this kind of stuff here, since I don't spend that much time on it (also it's like 2 AM and I'm tired).

I accept your apology.

I understand what you mean, when I first started using this site I was mildly annoyed by several things (the lack of the catch-all tag "ungulate" for hoofed mammals was my first frustation). This site is definitely idiosyncratic with how it organises things, but the good thing is that there's a reason for things to be the way that they are, and it can be questioned, discussed, and some things can be changed if there is sentiment to do so.

averagebuttlover said:
This is not something I know how to do

I have never made a formal tag proposal on the forums so I don't have personal experience with it, but my suggestion is that you make a forum thread with the tag name(s) that you think could be used, a proposed definition based on the Tag What You See principle, and open up a discussion so that other forum users can weigh in with their opinions.

Arguably best case scenario is if it's a tag that's already been aliased away because then it's already been made and would save time on coming up with a good name by putting a big "unalias this tag" on the top

donovan_dmc said:
Femboy is not a gender tag

if thats the case maybe we should invalidate femboy/femboy tag
maybe feral_penetrating_anthro cause feral and anthro arnt genders either

funkwolfie said:
if thats the case maybe we should invalidate femboy/femboy tag
maybe feral_penetrating_anthro cause feral and anthro arnt genders either

feral and anthro are form tags though. they didn't say we only allow gender tags. we have gender_on_gender tags and form_on_form tags.

manitka said:
feral and anthro are form tags though. they didn't say we only allow gender tags. we have gender_on_gender tags and form_on_form tags.

what is a form tag then? cause I would consider femboy to be a form of person

funkwolfie said:
what is a form tag then? cause I would consider femboy to be a form of person

form is feral, anthro, human, taur, etc.

a femboy is feminine presenting male. I have no argument for or against the femboy tags, but form _on_form tags are a valid tag type, other wise how do you sort out bestiality from feral_on_feral?

manitka said:
form is feral, anthro, human, taur, etc.

a femboy is feminine presenting male. I have no argument for or against the femboy tags, but form _on_form tags are a valid tag type, other wise how do you sort out bestiality from feral_on_feral?

and how do you sort out whether or not you wanna see a femboy penetrated or being penetrated, by using tags

funkwolfie said:
and how do you sort out whether or not you wanna see a femboy penetrated or being penetrated, by using tags

As I said I don't have any opinion on this matter, since I can understand both sides of the argument. I'm just correcting the idea that form_on_form tags are not a valid tag type.

manitka said:
As I said I don't have any opinion on this matter, since I can understand both sides of the argument. I'm just correcting the idea that form_on_form tags are not a valid tag type.

I see thank you for actually explaining instead of going "ummm not gender"