Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
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The bulk update request #11624 is pending approval.
mass update disposal -> disposal_(vore)
create implication disposal_(vore) (0) -> after_vore (7699)
Reason: Disposal is a generic word with multiple meanings. So a disambiguation is in order.
forum discussion in https://e621.net/forum_topics/57556
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Part 2 (can't put in the request)
alias disposal -> disposal_(disambiguation) category disposal_(disambiguation) -> invalid
nin10dope said:
Part 2 (can't put in the request)alias disposal -> disposal_(disambiguation) category disposal_(disambiguation) -> invalid
Trying to short circuit the main thread by moving discussion here. https://e621.net/forum_topics/57556
gyro said:
Trying to short circuit the main thread by moving discussion here. https://e621.net/forum_topics/57556
Nope, the idea of proposing a disambiguation was brought up so I decided to do just that
nin10dope said:
Nope, the idea of proposing a disambiguation was brought up so I decided to do just that
Something that you know can be done in an existing thread. But you decided to start a new thread.
gyro said:
Something that you know can be done in an existing thread. But you decided to start a new thread.
Correct, so that it won't get buried amongst incessant bickering
As was stated in the other thread, this is ENTIRELY unnessesary as the only instances of Disposal being used outside of vore context on images have been on like 20 images out of over 1000. It only serves to confuse and will result in things not getting tagged properly.
I think if you try you could be even more petty and weird about this.
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gyro said:
As was stated in the other thread, this is ENTIRELY unnessesary as the only instances of Disposal being used outside of vore context on images have been on like 20 images out of over 1000. It only serves to confuse and will result in things not getting tagged properly.
Compared to krystal, which according to the previous post, had just over 100 non-Star Fox uses, out of... I'm not sure exactly how many there were at that point, but there are currently 17k, so lets assume somewhere between 10k and 15k. That's approximately 1% compared to 2%, not a very large difference in potential ambiguity.
watsit said:
Compared to krystal, which according to the previous post, had just over 100 non-Star Fox uses, out of... I'm not sure exactly how many there were at that point, but there are currently 17k, so lets assume somewhere between 10k and 15k. That's approximately 1% compared to 2%, not a very large difference in potential ambiguity.
Krystal is also a character tag, and E6 as a general rule disambiguates character tags with the franchise, so character tags aren't really a reasonable argument here. We're talking about a general tag.
Its also the case that this is how disposal is used in basically all furry spaces.
Who does this change help? It just makes things worse for everyone.
gyro said:
Krystal is also a character tag, and E6 as a general rule disambiguates character tags with the franchise, so character tags aren't really a reasonable argument here. We're talking about a general tag.
krystal wasn't aliased to krystal_(star_fox). There is no rule that character tags require less ambiguity compared to any other tag before disambiguation (as in, being aliased to *_(disambiguation)).
gyro said:
Who does this change help? It just makes things worse for everyone.
Anyone that thinks to use disposal in a non-vore sense, and want to know the appropriate tag to use for the kind of disposal shown in the image. It helps them. It doesn't hurt you to use a different name, the exact same meaning is still available for tagging/searching/blacklisting, unlike keeping disposal as it is which makes it unnecessarily difficult to find the proper tag for the other meanings of the word.
watsit said:
krystal wasn't aliased to krystal_(star_fox). There is no rule that character tags require less ambiguity compared to any other tag before disambiguation (as in, being aliased to *_(disambiguation)).Anyone that thinks to use disposal in a non-vore sense, and want to know the appropriate tag to use for the kind of disposal shown in the image. It helps them. It doesn't hurt you to use a different name, the exact same meaning is still available for tagging/searching/blacklisting, unlike keeping disposal as it is which makes it unnecessarily difficult to find the proper tag for the other meanings of the word.
Many wiki pages have a 'not to be confused with' That can be added to the page too if its so important. Though I wouldn't even now what to, because that tag doesn't exist because its not used.
And it does make things worse, because users dont automagically start to use a new tag just because you delcare that this is the new tag. See what happened with scat for the longest time when it was misapplied for ages before it got changed. People will tag what they have been taught to tag on other sites and in line with the general usage within the furry community.
If you've forgotten, even though iirc you were a part of that discussion, you can reeducate yourself: https://e621.net/forum_topics/31198
gyro said:
Krystal is also a character tag, and E6 as a general rule disambiguates character tags with the franchise, so character tags aren't really a reasonable argument here. We're talking about a general tag.
gyro said:
If you've forgotten, even though iirc you were a part of that discussion, you can reeducate yourself: https://e621.net/forum_topics/31198
regsmutt said:
I think if you try you could be even more petty and weird about this.
Let's not be children please, there's no need for snide remarks
This would also need the imply disposal_(vore) -> after_vore. If a BUR is going to be approved, might as well do it properly. (Along with the other things from the other BUR).
Voting against since it would break blacklists, which I think is a far bigger downside than the ability to disambiguate is an upside (compared to just aliasing to a better name, or keeping the tag as-is).
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scth said:
This would also need the imply disposal_(vore) -> after_vore. If a BUR is going to be approved, might as well do it properly. (Along with the other things from the other BUR).
Voting against since it would break blacklists, which I think is a far bigger downside than the ability to disambiguate is an upside (compared to just aliasing to a better name, or keeping the tag as-is).
Fixed, thank you for reminding me
It will no longer break blacklists
this shouldnt be approved its still under debate in the original thread
funkwolfie said:
this shouldnt be approved its still under debate in the original thread
Is it? It doesn't look like it
nin10dope said:
Is it? It doesn't look like it
yes very much so
nin10dope said:
Is it? It doesn't look like it
https://e621.net/forum_topics/57556
Creating a separate forum and ignoring a topic you've been a part of since it started isn't very considerate.
That "forum topic" section, when creating BUR requests, would have inserted this forum post into the conversation of the last if it was mentioned.
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