The tag alias #77658 shoplifting -> stealing is pending approval.

Reason: Overly specific and likely redundant with a combo search of store stealing.

Shoplifting means when someone takes something from a store without paying for it.

beholding said:
The tag alias #77658 shoplifting -> stealing is pending approval.

Reason: Overly specific and likely redundant with a combo search of store stealing.

why not also alias burglary, heist, looting, pickpocketing to stealing too so we have no nuance in the tagging,

rather if shoplifting implied stealing

cause shoplifting can be at malls, resturants and so shoplifting is a good umbrella term for it

funkwolfie said:
why not also alias burglary, heist, looting, pickpocketing to stealing too so we have no nuance in the tagging,

rather if shoplifting implied stealing

cause shoplifting can be at malls, resturants and so shoplifting is a good umbrella term for it

There's a BUR somewhere in the threads about theft and burglary and etc

funkwolfie said:
why not also alias burglary, heist, looting, pickpocketing to stealing too so we have no nuance in the tagging,

You tell me.

Shoplifting is currently tagged on only 18 posts. I don't see "nuance", I see "overly specific". Can you explain why it's crucially important for people to be able to search for or blacklist shoplifting specifically?

beholding said:
You tell me.

Shoplifting is currently tagged on only 18 posts. I don't see "nuance", I see "overly specific". Can you explain why it's crucially important for people to be able to search for or blacklist shoplifting specifically?

can you tell me why its crucially important to alias it instead of implicate it?

funkwolfie said:
can you tell me why its crucially important to alias it instead of implicate it?

well, e6 typically doesn't want 100 different tags that all mean the same thing. an implication typically occurs when there's enough of a different between them, for example andromorph, gynomorph, herm, and maleherm all imply intersex since there's significant differences (genitals & body types) between them. many of the stealing tags can be used interchangeably, for example you can say your shop was burgled or you were a victim of shoplifting, and people would know what you mean since burglary and shoplifting both mean stealing... however, having a specific tag for the act of stealing from locations and a specific tag for stealing from people might be a good idea, if those differences are considered significant enough.

siral_exan said:
well, e6 typically doesn't want 100 different tags that all mean the same thing. an implication typically occurs when there's enough of a different between them, for example andromorph, gynomorph, herm, and maleherm all imply intersex since there's significant differences (genitals & body types) between them. many of the stealing tags can be used interchangeably, for example you can say your shop was burgled or you were a victim of shoplifting, and people would know what you mean since burglary and shoplifting both mean stealing... however, having a specific tag for the act of stealing from locations and a specific tag for stealing from people might be a good idea, if those differences are considered significant enough.

well burglary and shoplifting are not the same
burglary: crime involving the illegal entry into a building or other area without permission,
shoplifting:the act of stealing merchandise from a retail store.

funkwolfie said:
well burglary and shoplifting are not the same
burglary: crime involving the illegal entry into a building or other area without permission,
shoplifting:the act of stealing merchandise from a retail store.

No one's saying they're literally the same, we're saying they're similar enough that a distinction isn't warranted. There are a lot of tag sets with different but very similar meanings that get aliased together.

Lumping tags also cuts down on tagging abuse. I proposed aliasing a lot of theft-related tags because I encountered a lot of posts that were tagged with every synonym for "stealing" people could think of, even when they didn't really apply. It's a lot harder to clean up mistags when we also have to check for half a dozen synonym tags that are scattered throughout the list.

however, having a specific tag for the act of stealing from locations and a specific tag for stealing from people might be a good idea, if those differences are considered significant enough.

This could be valid, though I think the former might already be covered by looting?

beholding said:
No one's saying they're literally the same, we're saying they're similar enough that a distinction isn't warranted. There are a lot of tag sets with different but very similar meanings that get aliased together.

This could be valid, though I think the former might already be covered by looting?

they are not similar enough at all,

"however, having a specific tag for the act of stealing from locations and a specific tag for stealing from people might be a good idea, if those differences are considered significant enough."

That literally what the shoplifting tag does

funkwolfie said:
they are not similar enough at all,

Once again: Can you explain why it's crucially important for people to be able to search for or blacklist shoplifting specifically? Keep in mind that it is possible to search for multiple tags at once, so if you want posts depicting characters stealing from a particular location, you can just search store stealing or similar.

beholding said:
Once again: Can you explain why it's crucially important for people to be able to search for or blacklist shoplifting specifically?

because its a location tag which is nice, you don't search for a bank heist by searching bank stealing, so why should it be the same for shoplifitng

funkwolfie said:
you don't search for a bank heist by searching bank stealing

The community is actually in favor of doing exactly that right now. It's based on precedent set by a similar alias lumping bar_fight with fight.

General policy is that if a scenario can be found through combo searches, giving it its own tag is overly specific.

funkwolfie said:
"however, having a specific tag for the act of stealing from locations and a specific tag for stealing from people might be a good idea, if those differences are considered significant enough."

That literally what the shoplifting tag does

"Shoplifting" doesn't mean "stealing from locations", it means "stealing from specific types of locations" (shops, specifically). Stealing from a museum or a library wouldn't be shoplifting, but are stealing from locations.

watsit said:
"Shoplifting" doesn't mean "stealing from locations", it means "stealing from specific types of locations" (shops, specifically). Stealing from a museum or a library wouldn't be shoplifting, but are stealing from locations.

maybe there is a miscommunication cause I assumed they meant "specific tags for specific locations"

funkwolfie said:
maybe there is a miscommunication cause I assumed they meant "specific tags for specific locations"

I read it as meaning a specific tag for 'stealing from a place' and a specific tag for 'stealing from a person', rather than 'tags for stealing from specific places' and 'tags for stealing from specific people'.

watsit said:
I read it as meaning a specific tag for 'stealing from a place' and a specific tag for 'stealing from a person', rather than 'tags for stealing from specific places' and 'tags for stealing from specific people'.

never talked about 'tags for stealing from specific people'.

funkwolfie said:
never talked about 'tags for stealing from specific people'.

They were talking about the kind of specificity/distinction in stealing-related tags they might go for, given the statement "well, e6 typically doesn't want 100 different tags that all mean the same thing" with the clarification "similar enough that a distinction isn't warranted".