Topic: [REJECTED] Tag implication: kris_(deltarune) -> nonbinary_(lore)

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Dildo

Member

The tag implication #67893 kris_(deltarune) -> nonbinary_(lore) has been rejected.

Reason: I saw someone recently requested to get rid of "female_kris_(deltarune)" tag. Thank you.
Would it be a step too far to also ask that we auto-tag kris' gender? Regardless of their sex in the post, kris is exclusively referred to with they/them pronouns in-game, and it seems incredibly intentional.

Note that I am using only using Chpt. 1 & 2 for reference-- maybe more information has come out to contradict this.

EDIT: The tag implication kris_(deltarune) -> nonbinary_(lore) (forum #454769) has been rejected by @spe.

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Donovan DMC

Former Staff

Lore tags cannot be universally applied due to the way our lore tagging works, there is a level of precedence and artists override source material, so if they say X character is male in their canon, they are male within that artist's canon no matter what the source material says

I respect the intent, but if an artist chooses to change Kris's gender in their own lore (such that they're definitively male or female instead, for example), then that overwrites the source material's lore.

this isn't how lore tags work, we do not imply lore tags from any tags of diffrent categories. these tags are supposed to be based on the intention of the artist, not any base canon. any posts can have characters with non-canon gender identity just the same as their gender expression, species, or anything else about a character.

dba_afish said:
this isn't how lore tags work, we do not imply lore tags from any tags of diffrent categories. these tags are supposed to be based on the intention of the artist, not any base canon. any posts can have characters with non-canon gender identity just the same as their gender expression, species, or anything else about a character.

I second this position, honestly. Gender-bending one's favorite characters as a form of artistic license isn't any worse than drawing a canonincal bunny character as a mouse, provided that it isn't done intentionally as a rude bait to piss off a certain group or fandom. But that's a different story.

Watsit

Privileged

I also wouldn't say a character that's referred to with they/them pronouns is inherently nonbinary, since they/them is also used for unknown or unspecified gender. A character with some level of self-insert or ambiguous design may also opt to not say what gender the character is so you can imagine to be whatever you want.

Also, what if someone with a canonical gender is cosplaying as Kris? While we would tag kris_(deltarune) (as well as the character's actual name), the character would definitely not be nonbinary and shouldn't be tagged as such.

watsit said:
I also wouldn't say a character that's referred to with they/them pronouns is inherently nonbinary, since they/them is also used for unknown or unspecified gender. A character with some level of self-insert or ambiguous design may also opt to not say what gender the character is so you can imagine to be whatever you want.

Not the same character obviously but this is the intent with Frisk. Toby fox once said something along the lines of it's intentionally left ambiguous because you're supposed to decide.

dildo said:

Note that I am using only using Chpt. 1 & 2 for reference-- maybe more information has come out to contradict this.

Very bold of you to make an implication request without having played the other chapters. Whenever I'm interested in something, I avoid it on the internet like the plague
I once got spoiled about a show I was watching on here of all places 😭