I don't know how many works have not been seen by those who want to see them because they don't have these two tags

https://e621.net/posts?tags=ichthy0stega+-japanese_text+-japanese_description+ danm,I think we need a tag bot to do this kind of thing,

kubihazusaikou said:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=ichthy0stega+-japanese_text+-japanese_description+ danm,I think we need a tag bot to do this kind of thing,

But filling in Japanese artists must be done by someone

kubihazusaikou said:
And my translator can't translate this paragraph very well:"that's not gonna happen anytime soon if ever and given most boorus are japanese-centric this is really not a good idea.
"What does the word 'boorus' really mean,I hope you can help me explain

It is an imageboard that, well, stores a variety of images. Have you ever heard of gelbooru or danbooru? These sites are more japanese-centric for example.

kubihazusaikou said:
But I really like the art style of Japanese artists, and there must be many people who like it like me

Not all Japanese artists draw in the same style though. I don't even know what specific style you're referring to- is it kemono? Or what "style" is it you speak of?

This just seems like an odd tag to have in the first place. TWYS also doesn't support the tag.

lycalopex said:
It is an imageboard that, well, stores a variety of images. Have you ever heard of gelbooru or danbooru? These sites are more japanese-centric for example.

So you mean there is already a website in Japan similar to E621?

bleachedasian said:
Not all Japanese artists draw in the same style though. I don't even know what specific style you're referring to- is it kemono? Or what "style" is it you speak of?

This just seems like an odd tag to have in the first place. TWYS also doesn't support the tag.

I know, but the works created by Japanese artists have a unique flavor

bleachedasian said:
Not all Japanese artists draw in the same style though. I don't even know what specific style you're referring to- is it kemono? Or what "style" is it you speak of?

This just seems like an odd tag to have in the first place. TWYS also doesn't support the tag.

I just want to see more works created by Japanese artists

kubihazusaikou said:
I just want to see more works created by Japanese artists

https://e621.net/posts?tags=kemono+ 🤷‍♀️

lycalopex said:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=kemono+ 🤷‍♀️

https://e621.net/posts/5343828

lycalopex said:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=kemono+ 🤷‍♀️

lycalopex said:
https://e621.net/posts?tags=kemono+ 🤷‍♀️

I don't know why, but I always feel that the 'works_of_Japaneses_artists' tag is more specific,more clearer

Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

Dude. Please finish thinking before you post so you don't have to reply to yourself repeatedly.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

So, let's replace works_of_Japaneses_artists to indicate with the Asian_cultural_circle

kubihazusaikou said:
And my translator can't translate this paragraph very well

bro what's your native language? just wondering

kubihazusaikou said:
So, let's replace works_of_Japaneses_artists to indicate with the Asian_cultural_circle

Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

The question of confirming whether this work was created by an artist from the Asian cultural sphere is very simple,Because the author and the work have a one to many relationship, as long as we know that the author is from the Asian cultural circle, we can know that all of his works are related to the Asian cultural circle,A very simple labeling robot can complete this type of work in batches, and the only manual part is to input the name of an artist who is confirmed to belong to the Asian cultural circle

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

But is there really no better solution?

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

oneohthrix said:
bro what's your native language? just wondering

I'm Chinese

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

https://e621.net/posts?tags=ichthy0stega+-japanese_text+-japanese_description+ But there is still a lot of room for improvement

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

How to ensure that your hypothesis is true

kubihazusaikou said:
How to ensure that your hypothesis is true

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

Without practical experience, assumptions are always assumptions

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

How to ensure that your hypothesis is true

vitreousvice said:
Even just using japanese_text or japanese_description would be more effective than whatever it is you're trying here, simply because they're tags that have been around for much longer. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.

Say something unrelated, switch a milder avatar,Don't be so serious,I was just imagining that you were saying these words in an angry ton,This is very detrimental to making others accept your viewpoint

these posts can have a description in the original source. i've added descriptions for a couple of the posts to be eligible to be tagged with language description tags (i'll may add more if i'd like to lol)

if you wanna do for yourself too, you could try with idem's sourcing suite for tampermonkey if you want to work it out for easy process; just by going to posts' source links, clicking "Copy Description" text there, and paste it on description in edit mode.

it doesn't look like it's possible for twitter/x posts anymore (you got to copy it manually at this point), but pixiv works just fine

English apparently isn't getting through to you, and I'm not exactly conversational in Chinese, so...

この「お前ら、こうすべきだ！」という振る舞いは止めろよ。
japanese_textは「日本語のテクストがある」を意味する。
japanese_descriptionは「絵師の日本語解説がある」を意味する。
絵師の国籍はせいぜいトリビアに過ぎないだろ？postの内容は反映されないが、wikiの編集は問題ない。
ナイジェリア人の絵師がかわいいケモノのイラストも描ける（lightmizano）、日本人の絵師が恐ろしいクリーチャーのイラストも描ける（amamidori）、etc.
郷に入っては郷に従うことができないなら、アカウントは停止されるだろ。

lafcadio said:
English apparently isn't getting through to you, and I'm not exactly conversational in Chinese, so...

この「お前ら、こうすべきだ！」という振る舞いは止めろよ。
japanese_textは「日本語のテクストがある」を意味する。
japanese_descriptionは「絵師の日本語解説がある」を意味する。
絵師の国籍はせいぜいトリビアに過ぎないだろ？postの内容は反映されないが、wikiの編集は問題ない。
ナイジェリア人の絵師がかわいいケモノのイラストも描ける（lightmizano）、日本人の絵師が恐ろしいクリーチャーのイラストも描ける（amamidori）、etc.
郷に入っては郷に従うことができないなら、アカウントは停止されるだろ。
[/quit will have to be translated into Chinese in the end Anyway. I think it's better for you to use English

lafcadio said:
English apparently isn't getting through to you, and I'm not exactly conversational in Chinese, so...

この「お前ら、こうすべきだ！」という振る舞いは止めろよ。
japanese_textは「日本語のテクストがある」を意味する。
japanese_descriptionは「絵師の日本語解説がある」を意味する。
絵師の国籍はせいぜいトリビアに過ぎないだろ？postの内容は反映されないが、wikiの編集は問題ない。
ナイジェリア人の絵師がかわいいケモノのイラストも描ける（lightmizano）、日本人の絵師が恐ろしいクリーチャーのイラストも描ける（amamidori）、etc.
郷に入っては郷に従うことができないなら、アカウントは停止されるだろ。

it will have to be translated into Chinese in the end Anyway. I think it's better for you to use English

kubihazusaikou said:
it will have to be translated into Chinese in the end Anyway. I think it's better for you to use English

My translator is completely unable to translate the Japanese section below

The problem is not whether it's scary or not, it's entirely because as an Asian, I just want to see more works created by artists in the Asian cultural circle,By the way, I think amamidori drew very well

kubihazusaikou said:
it will have to be translated into Chinese in the end Anyway. I think it's better for you to use English

Indeed, people in Nigeria can also draw things related to the Asian cultural sphere,On the other hand, Japanese people can also draw things that are closely related to the English cultural sphere https://e621.net/posts?tags=geppei5959

It's not entirely accurate to say that his works are related to the English cultural circle. It can only be said that his art style is particularly biased towards the English cultural circle. I can feel that his works still have the essence of the Asian cultural circle deep down

Please start making use of the Edit function for your posts instead of posting five times in a row. It makes it an absolute pain in the ass for anybody who wants to read through the discussion later.

I did prepare an English-language version of that, though:

Put a stop to this "you lot should do it like this!" behavior.
Japanese_text means that there is Japanese-language text.
Japanese_description means that the artist provided a Japanese-language description.
Isn't the artist's nationality basically just trivia? It doesn't reflect the post's contents, but it's not a problem if it's edited into the wiki.
Nigerian artists can draw cute kemono illustrations (lightmizano), Japanese artists can draw nasty creature illustrations (amamidori), etc.
If you don't start doing as the locals do, your account's probably getting frozen.

lafcadio said:
Please start making use of the Edit function for your posts instead of posting five times in a row. It makes it an absolute pain in the ass for anybody who wants to read through the discussion later.

I did prepare an English-language version of that, though:

as you wish

The tag for asian art with animal characters is kemono. This tag includes Japanese artists as well as other artists from Asia.

I do not think we will be creating a tag specifically for Japanese artists. You can use "kemono" for most of the images you have uploaded. Other people have tried to suggest this, but because of the language barrier, it is not clear that you understood.

I wish you luck. Try your best to implement the advice you are being given.

donkdewd said:
The tag for asian art with animal characters is kemono. This tag includes Japanese artists as well as other artists from Asia.

I do not think we will be creating a tag specifically for Japanese artists. You can use "kemono" for most of the images you have uploaded. Other people have tried to suggest this, but because of the language barrier, it is not clear that you understood.

I wish you luck. Try your best to implement the advice you are being given.

My soul is no longer bound by this obsession,My heart has returned to calmness
Amitabha

Before my soul completely ascends from this discussion post, I have a question for everyone

After some introspection,I have found the answer to my inner question,I don't need answers anymore,The last trace of connection between me and this shit post has been severed See you on the other side,My Friends

Please edit your posts or wait until you wrote long enough to post it lol.

But yeah searching for uh "~japanese_description ~japanese_text ~kemono" will help you find more Japanese artists, maybe you will stumble on some rare Chinese artists who do know the language and may write something in Japanese but that won't bother you too much I think.

lafcadio said:
English apparently isn't getting through to you, and I'm not exactly conversational in Chinese, so...

この「お前ら、こうすべきだ！」という振る舞いは止めろよ。
japanese_textは「日本語のテクストがある」を意味する。
japanese_descriptionは「絵師の日本語解説がある」を意味する。
絵師の国籍はせいぜいトリビアに過ぎないだろ？postの内容は反映されないが、wikiの編集は問題ない。
ナイジェリア人の絵師がかわいいケモノのイラストも描ける（lightmizano）、日本人の絵師が恐ろしいクリーチャーのイラストも描ける（amamidori）、etc.
郷に入っては郷に従うことができないなら、アカウントは停止されるだろ。

The ironic thing is that this is written in Japanese. 😭

thegreatwolfgang said:
The ironic thing is that this is written in Japanese. 😭

inb4 they get called racist for using the wrong asian language :P

thegreatwolfgang said:
The ironic thing is that this is written in Japanese. 😭

OP has a Japanese display name, OP has interest in Japanese artists, and they say they're Chinese then I write that I'm "not exactly conversational in Chinese". I fail to see what part of any of this is ironic.

notknow said:
Please edit your posts or wait until you wrote long enough to post it lol.

But yeah searching for uh "~japanese_description ~japanese_text ~kemono" will help you find more Japanese artists, maybe you will stumble on some rare Chinese artists who do know the language and may write something in Japanese but that won't bother you too much I think.

bro,If you are looking for Chinese artists Just using chinese_text and chinese_description Although your statement did not imply a search for Chinese artists

lafcadio said:
OP has a Japanese display name, OP has interest in Japanese artists, and they say they're Chinese then I write that I'm "not exactly conversational in Chinese". I fail to see what part of any of this is ironic.

The expectation that was subverted was that you'd still attempt explaining in Chinese

kubihazusaikou said:

If you see a work created by a Japanese artist but without Japanese_text and Japanese_description These two tag,Please use works_of_Japanese_artists to indicate.

I don't know how many works have not been seen by those who want to see them because they don't have these two tags

I understand your enthusiasm in creating new tags to improve how we can search for things.
However, one of the fundamental tagging rules we have here on the site is called the Tag What You See (TWYS) policy.
In short, you can only tag what can be seen, you should not tag anything that is assumed, guessed, or something that you know but cannot be visually proven.

For your newly-created works_of_japanese_artists tag, it violates TWYS and therefore cannot be used.
If such tags are found, it will usually be aliased away to prevent further use and be completely invalidated.
The problem comes from both the naming of the tag as well as the definition of the tag.

• Calling the tag works_of_japanese_artists would imply that it should be tagged on all works made by Japanese artists.
• It violates TWYS since you cannot determine the nationality or ethnicity of an artist solely based upon the work they make.
• The definition of "This tag is created for those who want to see artworks created by Japanese artists but without Japanese_text and Japanese_description tag" makes no sense as well.
• As mentioned on the other thread, having japanese_text or japanese_description tagged doesn't mean that the artist is Japanese, it simply means that it features Japanese writing in either the post itself or in the description of the post.
• Assuming that your tag was valid for a moment, excluding the above tags do not make sense since actual Japanese artists can also use japanese_text or japanese_description in their works.

Therefore, I reiterate that the premise of this new tag is fundamentally flawed and violates TWYS ruling.
If you simply want to tag a specific art-style that is prevalent amongst Asian artists (and can also be drawn by Western artists), you can consider using kemono or chibi as they are visually distinct and do not make any assumptions on the nationality of the artist.

kubihazusaikou said:
I know, but the works created by Japanese artists have a unique flavor

kubihazusaikou said:
I just want to see more works created by Japanese artists

Searching by nationality is not possible on e621.
Attempting to tag them now would be a nightmare and practically unenforceable.

Japanese artists can adopt "Western" art-styles and Western artists can adopt "Asian" art-styles.
That is why you cannot visually determine the artist's nationality/ethnicity solely based upon their works.

The closest thing you can achieve is by searching for specific art-styles (such as kemono or chibi) or by individually bookmarking the names of artists you like.
Otherwise, I would simply suggest using Pixiv or going to other art galleries that mainly have Asian artists.

kubihazusaikou said:
So, let's replace works_of_Japaneses_artists to indicate with the Asian_cultural_circle

kubihazusaikou said:
The question of confirming whether this work was created by an artist from the Asian cultural sphere is very simple,Because the author and the work have a one to many relationship, as long as we know that the author is from the Asian cultural circle, we can know that all of his works are related to the Asian cultural circle,A very simple labeling robot can complete this type of work in batches, and the only manual part is to input the name of an artist who is confirmed to belong to the Asian cultural circle

Still wouldn't work in a fundamental sense. You are completely ignoring the TWYS policy.
You cannot "tag what you know", you can only "tag what you see".
Any tag suggested requires something that definitively binds them together and something that they visually share.

If you plan to define asian_cultural_circle as showing any artists who are Asian or draws in an Asian art-style, it will fail for the same reasons already mentioned.
You cannot visually determine an artist's nationality/ethnicity from how they draw, and they may also drastically change art-styles to no longer fit the definition of the tag.

We do have a system to bulk tag a bunch of posts with a specific tag with another tag (see e621:Tag Implications), but it will almost certainly be never used for whatever tag you are suggesting here.

lafcadio said:
OP has a Japanese display name, OP has interest in Japanese artists, and they say they're Chinese then I write that I'm "not exactly conversational in Chinese". I fail to see what part of any of this is ironic.

They had already specifically stated that they are Chinese, so I don't get why you are assuming that they know Japanese as well by their display name or their search interest.
Anybody can have a Japanese name for the sake of it, it does not necessarily mean they know Japanese as well. If they had searched a lot of kemono, would that inherently make them fluent in Japanese?

One would think that you should be machine translating to them in Chinese when you are "not exactly conversational in Chinese", but telling them instructions in Japanese does not help in any way.

EDIT: Looks like they do seemingly know some Japanese based on their comments, but the fact that they needed to machine translate your comment back into Chinese makes me think that they aren't exactly fluent in Japanese at all.

thegreatwolfgang said:
They had already specifically stated that they are Chinese, so I don't get why you are assuming that they know Japanese as well by their display name or their search interest.
Anybody can have a Japanese name for the sake of it, it does not necessarily mean they know Japanese as well. If they had searched a lot of kemono, would that inherently make them fluent in Japanese?

One would think that you should be machine translating to them in Chinese when you are "not exactly conversational in Chinese", but telling them instructions in Japanese does not help in any way.

It's better to use English directly than Chinese, after all, I think the effect of translating Japanese into Chinese is not very good
And the reason why English isn't getting through to me is entirely because my obsession at that time was really too deep
My English proficiency and translator have not yet deteriorated to that extent(It seems that Chinese translators always like to utter these very rare words)

yep,Completely unable to read Japanese,But in English, as long as there are no particularly rare words, I can still understand it

thegreatwolfgang said:
I understand your enthusiasm in creating new tags to improve how we can search for things.
However, one of the fundamental tagging rules we have here on the site is called the Tag What You See (TWYS) policy.
In short, you can only tag what can be seen, you should not tag anything that is assumed, guessed, or something that you know but cannot be visually proven.

For your newly-created works_of_japanese_artists tag, it violates TWYS and therefore cannot be used.
If such tags are found, it will usually be aliased away to prevent further use and be completely invalidated.
The problem comes from both the naming of the tag as well as the definition of the tag.

• Calling the tag works_of_japanese_artists would imply that it should be tagged on all works made by Japanese artists.
• It violates TWYS since you cannot determine the nationality or ethnicity of an artist solely based upon the work they make.
• The definition of "This tag is created for those who want to see artworks created by Japanese artists but without Japanese_text and Japanese_description tag" makes no sense as well.
• As mentioned on the other thread, having japanese_text or japanese_description tagged doesn't mean that the artist is Japanese, it simply means that it features Japanese writing in either the post itself or in the description of the post.
• Assuming that your tag was valid for a moment, excluding the above tags do not make sense since actual Japanese artists can also use japanese_text or japanese_description in their works.

Therefore, I reiterate that the premise of this new tag is fundamentally flawed and violates TWYS ruling.
If you simply want to tag a specific art-style that is prevalent amongst Asian artists (and can also be drawn by Western artists), you can consider using kemono or chibi as they are visually distinct and do not make any assumptions on the nationality of the artist.

Searching by nationality is not possible on e621.
Attempting to tag them now would be a nightmare and practically unenforceable.

Japanese artists can adopt "Western" art-styles and Western artists can adopt "Asian" art-styles.
That is why you cannot visually determine the artist's nationality/ethnicity solely based upon their works.

The closest thing you can achieve is by searching for specific art-styles (such as kemono or chibi) or by individually bookmarking the names of artists you like.
Otherwise, I would simply suggest using Pixiv or going to other art galleries that mainly have Asian artists.

Still wouldn't work in a fundamental sense. You are completely ignoring the TWYS policy.
You cannot "tag what you know", you can only "tag what you see".
Any tag suggested requires something that definitively binds them together and something that they visually share.

If you plan to define asian_cultural_circle as showing any artists who are Asian or draws in an Asian art-style, it will fail for the same reasons already mentioned.
You cannot visually determine an artist's nationality/ethnicity from how they draw, and they may also drastically change art-styles to no longer fit the definition of the tag.

We do have a system to bulk tag a bunch of posts with a specific tag with another tag (see e621:Tag Implications), but it will almost certainly be never used for whatever tag you are suggesting here.

So my obsession has dissipated,My needs can be addressed in a gentler way

vitreousvice said:
Should we have a similar tag for every other nationality then? /s

Seems like a completely arbitrary tag to have - one that I can't imagine many people would use properly, and good luck digging through the <5 million posts here to determine whether the person who drew them were Japanese or not.

I don't think that's necessarily terrible, as long as it has limits. From a purely art-history perspective it can be interesting to see how art styles and subcultures develop differently in different places. We also have tags for individual years, which can be a hassle to track down if it wasn't documented when an image was uploaded. It'd probably follow the same rules as years- if you don't/can't know it, don't tag it.

I do think that getting into the nitty-gritty of countries and nationalities (with some exceptions like the USA a large, diverse country that outputs a shitton of content) is more trouble than it's worth.