Didn't see a way to update or propose a tag definition change, update, or addendum.

tag: Stealthing refers to a premeditated or deliberate act. The tag of broken_condom, or any other accidental act that isn't on-purpose sabotage, is only tangentially related.

it's a wiki, if it's not locked you can edit it yourself.

Stealthing isn't a good tag name, as it can refer to a character more generally sneaking around. Or stealth_sex, stealth_masturbation, or in some cases, voyeurism. Nothing in the tag name suggests it's specifically for a purposely sabotaged condom. IMO, it should be disambiguated.

There already is sabotaged_condom Is that not acceptable?

watsit said:
Stealthing isn't a good tag name, as it can refer to a character more generally sneaking around. Or stealth_sex, stealth_masturbation, or in some cases, voyeurism. Nothing in the tag name suggests it's specifically for a purposely sabotaged condom. IMO, it should be disambiguated.

I've definitely seen a lot of mistags involving this situation between stealthing vs stealth_sex. While stealthing is *traditionally* used to describe secretly removing the condom, some people, especially those who don't know english slang (well), might not understand that. I agree as well it should be disambiguated, and hopefully found a better name for on this site.

bleachedasian said:
While stealthing is *traditionally* used to describe secretly removing the condom

Perhaps in certain circles, but not universally. As a native English speaker (American), stealthing isn't a word I hear often in reference to secretly removing or sabotaging a condom, but instead for a character using stealth to sneak around or steal stuff without being noticed. I can infer that meaning when in the context of having otherwise consensual sex, but it's not the meaning that comes to mind by default when hearing the word.

watsit said:
Perhaps in certain circles, but not universally. As a native English speaker (American), stealthing isn't a word I hear often in reference to secretly removing or sabotaging a condom, but instead for a character using stealth to sneak around or steal stuff without being noticed. I can infer that meaning when in the context of having otherwise consensual sex, but it's not the meaning that comes to mind by default when hearing the word.

In 30 years of American English experience I have never heard someone use 'stealthing' in place of 'sneaking' outside of maybe a video game context. It's just not a verb.

fliphook said:
There already is sabotaged_condom Is that not acceptable?

watsit said:
Stealthing isn't a good tag name, as it can refer to a character more generally sneaking around. Or stealth_sex, stealth_masturbation, or in some cases, voyeurism. Nothing in the tag name suggests it's specifically for a purposely sabotaged condom. IMO, it should be disambiguated.

stealthing and sabotaged_condom are similar but not necessarily synonymous.

stealthing is the intentional unprotected penile penetration of another whilst the penetrated partner believes that protection is being used.

sabotaged_condom is any situation where a condom is made to be ineffective outside of normal use, usually by a hole being pierced through it. this can be done by either parther or by a third party. (and although the name kind of implies intentionality, situations where a condom is damaged through what appears to be incompetence are also included)

watsit said:
Perhaps in certain circles, but not universally. As a native English speaker (American), stealthing isn't a word I hear often in reference to secretly removing or sabotaging a condom, but instead for a character using stealth to sneak around or steal stuff without being noticed. I can infer that meaning when in the context of having otherwise consensual sex, but it's not the meaning that comes to mind by default when hearing the word.

I've literally never heard "stealth(ing)" used as a verb outside of this context.

regsmutt said:
In 30 years of American English experience I have never heard someone use 'stealthing' in place of 'sneaking' outside of maybe a video game context. It's just not a verb.

That is primarily where I hear it, but it works in RPG scenarios more generally. Using stealth, stealthing, where stealth is a set of character skills. Even in the context of this, it's playing on that idea; someone did something to have unprotected sex unbeknownst to their partner who thought it was protected. It's just here, it's referring to a specific act being done stealthily, when it can and does apply much more broadly to other acts of stealth.

watsit said:
That is primarily where I hear it, but it works in RPG scenarios more generally. Using stealth, stealthing, where stealth is a set of character skills. Even in the context of this, it's playing on that idea; someone did something to have unprotected sex unbeknownst to their partner who thought it was protected. It's just here, it's referring to a specific act being done stealthily, when it can and does apply much more broadly to other acts of stealth.

It straight up doesn't refer to anything else. Even in dictionaries the only definition of the verb is hiding a condom.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stealthing

deception

bleachedasian said:
I've definitely seen a lot of mistags involving this situation between stealthing vs stealth_sex. While stealthing is *traditionally* used to describe secretly removing the condom, some people, especially those who don't know english slang (well), might not understand that. I agree as well it should be disambiguated, and hopefully found a better name for on this site.

I have never heard stealthing used to refer to anything related to a condom, and I am a native English speaker

I've also both moderated and ran porn sites, so I'd think I should know a lot of adjacent slang

regsmutt said:
It straight up doesn't refer to anything else. Even in dictionaries the only definition of the verb is hiding a condom.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stealthing

The definition of a word is not equal to its usages

Stealthing is absolutely used to mean using stealth/being stealthy in circles like video games

donovan_dmc said:
I have never heard stealthing used to refer to anything related to a condom, and I am a native English speaker

I've also both moderated and ran porn sites, so I'd think I should know a lot of adjacent slang

The definition of a word is not equal to its usages

Stealthing is absolutely used to mean using stealth/being stealthy in circles like video games

do peoplr really use it as a synonym for "sneak"?

I've seriously only heard the word used as a adjective prior to like, 2017, I wanna say, at which point heard "stealthing" used in this context in a discussion about sexual assault.

dba_afish said:
do peoplr really use it as a synonym for "sneak"?

A synonym no, sneaking can be included but stealth is more than just sneaking

donovan_dmc said:
I have never heard stealthing used to refer to anything related to a condom, and I am a native English speaker

Stealthing is absolutely used to mean using stealth/being stealthy in circles like video games

Perhaps I am just being porn brained then, but just about every porn focused site has stealthing to some regard in relation to secretly removing the condom from penetrative sex without the person being penetrated knowing (and also often for the purpose of creampie'ing said person). And as far as the site is concerned, stealthing is also being used in a porn related sense here on e621, or at the very least the wiki for the tag currently states as such (and the posts under the tag appear to agree).

If anything, I've never heard of people using the term "stealthing" to talk about sneaking around in video games. Usually that's "sneak" or "stealth" like in Minecraft, Skyrim, etc., but "stealthing" to imply crouching and/or sneaking about in videos just doesn't sound right to me.

bleachedasian said:
Perhaps I am just being porn brained then, but just about every porn focused site has stealthing to some regard in relation to secretly removing the condom from penetrative sex without the person being penetrated knowing (and also often for the purpose of creampie'ing said person). And as far as the site is concerned, stealthing is also being used in a porn related sense here on e621, or at the very least the wiki for the tag currently states as such (and the posts under the tag appear to agree).

I think there's enough non-porn material on e6 to warrant avoiding assuming tags have a sexual connotation when it can realistically be used to mean non-sexual activities. We don't assume petting means sexual petting or treating a person as a pet, for example.

bleachedasian said:
If anything, I've never heard of people using the term "stealthing" to talk about sneaking around in video games. Usually that's "sneak" or "stealth" like in Minecraft, Skyrim, etc., but "stealthing" to imply crouching and/or sneaking about in videos just doesn't sound right to me.

At the very least, this shows there's enough ambiguity depending on what you've been exposed to. I've been involved in furry porn for decades, since I became an adult in the late 90s, and I haven't heard of it as a uniquely sex-related term. Since the word "stealthing" is an occurrence of verbing, taking the noun "stealth" and making a verb out of it, I don't see how it wouldn't be applicable to other acts of stealth. Even for sex-related stuff, there's also stealth_sex or stealth_masturbation, sexual acts of stealth that can be termed "stealthing", that aren't about secretly removing a condom.

watsit said:
I think there's enough non-porn material on e6 to warrant avoiding assuming tags have a sexual connotation when it can realistically be used to mean non-sexual activities. We don't assume petting means sexual petting or treating a person as a pet, for example.

I still hate the way we use snowballing

I once tagged this on an image of a character rolling up a snowball and was utterly confused when the post ended up tagged with cum

donovan_dmc said:
I still hate the way we use snowballing

I once tagged this on an image of a character rolling up a snowball and was utterly confused when the post ended up tagged with cum

That's pretty funny
I never knew snowballing specifically had a non-euphemism use

watsit said:
At the very least, this shows there's enough ambiguity depending on what you've been exposed to. I've been involved in furry porn for decades, since I became an adult in the late 90s, and I haven't heard of it as a uniquely sex-related term. Since the word "stealthing" is an occurrence of verbing, taking the noun "stealth" and making a verb out of it, I don't see how it wouldn't be applicable to other acts of stealth. Even for sex-related stuff, there's also stealth_sex or stealth_masturbation, sexual acts of stealth that can be termed "stealthing", that aren't about secretly removing a condom.

the problem with stealthing is that even if there is some potential ambiguity with its name, I'm not sure there's really any other concice verbage we could use to refer to the same situation.

donovan_dmc said:
I still hate the way we use snowballing

I once tagged this on an image of a character rolling up a snowball and was utterly confused when the post ended up tagged with cum

we could probably rename it to oral_cum_swapping. it is weird that the seemingly more general cum_swap/cum_swapping are aliased to this tag when similar situations with other orifices definitely isn't totally unheard of.

dba_afish said:
we could probably rename it to oral_cum_swapping. it is weird that the seemingly more general cum_swap/cum_swapping are aliased to this tag when similar situations with other orifices definitely isn't totally unheard of.

You make a good point that the cum swap tags should be unaliased
It was probably done some time ago to get more people familiar with the term snowballing