We have some redundant tags.

• Here is a list of tags with the form *_grope.
• Here is a list of tags with the form groping_*.

We ought to decide which form should be standard, and alias the others.

generally has more uses, but very few tags on either list have existing aliases or implications. To make things even more confusing, pec_grope is currently aliased to pec_grab, but groping_pec is not. This raises a related debate on the difference between grope and grab.

If it matters, the related fondle set has already been standardized to the fondling_* form with the exception of self_fondle.

Personally, I am not sure which is better, other than that I think self_grope should remain as-is for consistency with self_fondle. *_grope sounds "neater" to me in some indefinable way, but groping_* is better for listing, since it groups all grope-related tags together in an alphabetical list.

I prefer groping_*

beholding said:
We have some redundant tags.

• Here is a list of tags with the form *_grope.
• Here is a list of tags with the form groping_*.

We ought to decide which form should be standard, and alias the others.

groping_*

generally has more uses, but very few tags on either list have existing aliases or implications.

...

If it matters, the related fondle set has already been standardized to the fondling_* form with the exception of self_fondle.

Personally, I am not sure which is better, other than that I think self_grope should remain as-is for consistency with self_fondle. *_grope sounds "neater" to me in some indefinable way, but groping_* is better for listing, since it groups all grope-related tags together in an alphabetical list.

The standard for grabbing is to prefer *_grab over grabbing_*. Of course, there are some tags that do not sound right if the former is prioritised, so it is kept as is (e.g., grabbing_both_legs).
On the other hand, the standard for holding is almost universally holding_* while the only exceptions for *_hold are mouth_hold and hand_holding.

So, there isn't really a universal standard for these action tags, but consideration should be taken nonetheless to follow by example.

To make things even more confusing, pec_grope is currently aliased to pec_grab, but groping_pec is not. This raises a related debate on the difference between grope and grab.

Check topic #56489 and topic #37231. No real discussion was had but it was apparently determined that the differences aren't large enough to warrant separate tags.

The difference between holding_*, *_grab, groping_*, and fondling_* is:

• Holding refers to any form of holding of a body part or an object, different from grabbing in that it doesn't "apply too much force (not squeezing)".
• Grabbing refers to any form of grabbing of a body part or a character.
• Groping refers to "sexualized rubbing, feeling, or grabbing of another character's body in a sexually invasive or dominating way."
• Fondling refers to "touching, stroking, or holding another character or itself in a loving manner or with tenderness."

If you feel a separation is warranted, you can suggest a BUR to reintroduce them.

thegreatwolfgang said:
The difference between holding_*, *_grab, groping_*, and fondling_* is:

• Holding refers to any form of holding of a body part or an object, different from grabbing in that it doesn't "apply too much force (not squeezing)".
• Grabbing refers to any form of grabbing of a body part or a character.
• Groping refers to "sexualized rubbing, feeling, or grabbing of another character's body in a sexually invasive or dominating way."
• Fondling refers to "touching, stroking, or holding another character or itself in a loving manner or with tenderness."

If you feel a separation is warranted, you can suggest a BUR to reintroduce them.

In regards to grope vs. grab, I'd say a grab is a sudden action, while a grope is sustained contact. However, the difference is rarely apparent in still images, so I can understand why they're aliased. I do think that fondling can be visually distinct, though, so I'll introduce a BUR to unalias that one.

I'll do a BUR to alias the remaining body part gropes to grab tags and see what people think.

The bulk update request #11324 is pending approval.

create alias moob_grope (183) -> moob_grab (976)
create alias chest_grope (32) -> chest_grab (1096)
create alias boob_grope (22) -> breast_grab (44202)
create alias bulge_grope (15) -> bulge_grab (994)
create alias ball_grope (14) -> ball_grab (5488)

Reason: As suggested. There is little to no difference between a grab and a grope in still images (all the tagged images look identical to me at a glance), and this is consistent with several existing grope -> grab aliases.

self_grope, imminent_grope, and stealth_grope are excluded since they are unrelated to a specific body part.