Topic: Egg heads and round muzzles?

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As far as I can tell there seems to be no tag for head/muzzle shapes that are convex and/or have little-to-no stop like these:
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It's a fairly common feature across animals, but having a dished face or pronounced stop between the muzzle and forehead is more typical in furry art. Having a tag for this could help people look for specific artists or characters or it could be used to filter out styles.
What would be a good name for this feature? Convex_face gets to the point, but it's not obvious if faces that make a straight/almost straight line from the eyebrow to the end of the muzzle would be covered or not. Stopless_face is also straightforward and wouldn't exclude straight faces, but the term might be more obscure/not immediately obvious to people not already familiar with it.

I don't have any tag name suggestions but I am seconding a desire for a tag to describe this kind of face shape. I love it a lot.

regsmutt said:
As far as I can tell there seems to be no tag for head/muzzle shapes that are convex and/or have little-to-no stop like these:
post #3973387post #5552073post #4645833post #5335274post #2621315post #4420115post #4860736

It's a fairly common feature across animals, but having a dished face or pronounced stop between the muzzle and forehead is more typical in furry art. Having a tag for this could help people look for specific artists or characters or it could be used to filter out styles.
What would be a good name for this feature? Convex_face gets to the point, but it's not obvious if faces that make a straight/almost straight line from the eyebrow to the end of the muzzle would be covered or not. Stopless_face is also straightforward and wouldn't exclude straight faces, but the term might be more obscure/not immediately obvious to people not already familiar with it.

snouthead maybe? given the propose does seem kinda similar to what tailbutt is for when it comes to tails.
Convex_face would likly be pretty bad, even with a wiki people would be constantly applying this to regular humanoid faces, the terms do have regular usage for human faces irl.. it also does not really imply the need for a snout vs just a regular mouth where as a snout could certainly be assumed for stopless..

blended_snout/ contiguous_snout

ryu_deacon said:
snouthead maybe? given the propose does seem kinda similar to what tailbutt is for when it comes to tails.
Convex_face would likly be pretty bad, even with a wiki people would be constantly applying this to regular humanoid faces, the terms do have regular usage for human faces irl.. it also does not really imply the need for a snout vs just a regular mouth where as a snout could certainly be assumed for stopless..

blended_snout/ contiguous_snout

I don't really see how convex_face applies to humans outside of some super stylized stuff. Human faces don't generally bulge out.

"egghead" sounds like a good name for this shape but i don't think it would fit that well with equine as theirs seem a bit longer than the other species why the long face?

I also remember hearing someone say our dog has a bit of a "down face" like a bull_terrier when we were trying to figure out what breed of dog we had adopted a few years ago

ryu_deacon said:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/There-are-three-basic-facial-profiles-convex-straight-and-concave-The-lower-face_fig9_385286547 ...>>

I maintain that this is an obscure and non-intuitive use of convex since it's specifically about the lips and chin and ignores the nose, forehead, eyesockets, and cheekbones.

fliphook said:
"egghead" sounds like a good name for this shape but i don't think it would fit that well with equine as theirs seem a bit longer than the other species why the long face?

I also remember hearing someone say our dog has a bit of a "down face" like a bull_terrier when we were trying to figure out what breed of dog we had adopted a few years ago

My only problem with 'egghead' is that I'd like to able to apply this to longer snouts with the same general 'smooth downwards curve' shape (anteaters, horses, etc). I'm not particularly in love with any name options right now.

well last time they were think of a name for tailbutt some would come up with the idea of streamlined or aerodynamic
a variant of that might work in this situation as some posts here have been along those lines to focus on the facial features on characters that aren't as smooth faced as the ones you want this new tag for

aerodynamics

+1 for stopless_face, and we can alias convex_face to it for discoverability
I can't think of any other word for this anatomical trait other than just not having a stop... this is difficult to google too. Not having any luck. I think stopless is the best bet unless somebody can find an actual term for this?

In general I personally believe that less common terminology is fine for tags if it's the most accurate, because it'll only confuse somebody once. Then they'll learn what it means and everybody's happy

researching dog breeds they call them "egg heads"

researching horses they call them "Roman noses"

sheep are also considered to having a Roman nose but they can also labeled as a "prominent bridge" depending on the breed

rabbits also have terms but they are more in relation to the length and width of the entire head. they aren't going into great detail about the overall shape of it

Brachycephalic: This describes rabbits with a head that has a markedly flattened, short face like pugs

Dolichocephalic: This refers to rabbits with a relatively long skull, where the length is longer than the width like borzoi

Mesocephalic: This describes rabbits with a head of medium proportions, not markedly brachycephalic or dolichocephalic the middle ground

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fliphook said:
researching dog breeds they call them "egg heads"

researching horses they call them "Roman noses"

sheep are also considered to having a Roman nose but they can also labeled as a "prominent bridge" depending on the breed

I considered roman_nose (and mentioned it in the discord when this originally came up) but decided against it because of the meanings it has in dogs and humans. In dogs it can mean a notable 'hump' or downwards turn in the top of the snout. In humans it refers to a 'hooked' nose. It might be worth a tag on its own, but it's a separate concept from 'no stop' to the muzzle and can be seen in art where characters DO have pronounced stops:
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Brachycephalic: This describes rabbits with a head that has a markedly flattened, short face like pugs

Dolichocephalic: This refers to rabbits with a relatively long skull, where the length is longer than the width like borzoi

Mesocephalic: This describes rabbits with a head of medium proportions, not markedly brachycephalic or dolichocephalic the middle ground

I've thought about brachy/dolico tags but I think they'd be a big fuckin mess. You can either have it be relative based on species (pugs and persians are brachy, borzoi and oriental shorthairs are dolico) OR relative based on... all species (cats and rabbits are brachy, dogs and horses are dolico). I can see valid arguments for both- for 'relative to species' this is a real way breeds are classified, while 'for relative to ALL species' could be used to filter out/search for specific styles.

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