It seems that posts that have a character waving a pride flag get downvoted for some reason beyond the picture. What is it? I have no idea.

Please try to be unbiased when explaining it to me.

Bigotry?
I don't know what kind of answer you expected. Some people just hate LGBTQ+ as a concept.

Of course, some people will provide funky excuses like "I just don't like politics in my porn!"
But let's be honest here, that's just a thin veil to hide their bigotry.

Two reasons-
Bigoted shitheads.
People who get mad when they see 'politics' while jerking off. Usually not that far removed from 'bigoted shitheads'.

does this actually happen that often? looking at pride_colors score:<5 favcount:>10 there dosn't seem to be all that much stuff that wouldn't have been downvoted for other reasons, especially when you get into the negatives.

dba_afish said:
does this actually happen that often? looking at pride_colors score:<5 favcount:>10 there dosn't seem to be all that much stuff that wouldn't have been downvoted for other reasons.

Total score doesn’t tell the whole picture. You would need to search “controversial” scoring (posts with a <80% upvote ratio)

Fav count is a close metric but not very accurate

I don’t think there is a search syntax for score ratio, though.

dba_afish said:
does this actually happen that often? looking at pride_colors score:<5 favcount:>10 there dosn't seem to be all that much stuff that wouldn't have been downvoted for other reasons, especially when you get into the negatives.

i refuse to upload pride pictures during regular hours actually, any of my pride stuff will be uploaded at like 10pm AKST lol.

https://e621.net/posts/5334740?q=user%3AManitka+pride_colors i had 17 downvotes and an asshole comment on this pic almost instantly when i posted it. It's only positive because i ended up posting it elsewhere in hopes people would give it a boost so i didn't have a random safe for work image sitting at -17

Downvoting art with obvious emotional investment (e.g. "I relate to this character") is an easy way to get those "I made somebody upset!" endorphins.
It's a low-effort troll, in other words.

aversioncapacitor said:
Total score doesn’t tell the whole picture. You would need to search “controversial” scoring (posts with a <80% upvote ratio)

Fav count is a close metric but not very accurate

I don’t think there is a search syntax for score ratio, though.

I was just trying to use favcount more as a rough proxy for "popularity" since we don't track viewcount.

manitka said:
i refuse to upload pride pictures during regular hours actually, any of my pride stuff will be uploaded at like 10pm AKST lol.

https://e621.net/posts/5334740?q=user%3AManitka+pride_colors i had 17 downvotes and an asshole comment on this pic almost instantly when i posted it. It's only positive because i ended up posting it elsewhere in hopes people would give it a boost so i didn't have a random safe for work image sitting at -17

hmm...
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Some people relate those flags with "identity politics" and automatically downvote based on that assumption
Sometimes just trying to be edgy without even thinking about it
Perhaps they perceive some hidden context that is or isn't actually there, and downvote because they think the post is trying to spread some message they don't agree with
Sometimes there's no reason beyond "Because I can" or "I think it's funny to do it"

manitka said:
i refuse to upload pride pictures during regular hours actually, any of my pride stuff will be uploaded at like 10pm AKST lol.

https://e621.net/posts/5334740?q=user%3AManitka+pride_colors i had 17 downvotes and an asshole comment on this pic almost instantly when i posted it. It's only positive because i ended up posting it elsewhere in hopes people would give it a boost so i didn't have a random safe for work image sitting at -17

If someone is deliberately downvoting all of your pride posts when you post them, it is very likely you have someone abusing site tools to troll or hate on you.
In that case, you can ask for a mod or admin to check who downvoted on all of your posts, and if any abuse is found, the abuser would get slapped pretty satisfyingly.

thegreatwolfgang said:
If someone is deliberately downvoting all of your pride posts when you post them, it is very likely you have someone abusing site tools to troll or hate on you.
In that case, you can ask for a mod or admin to check who downvoted on all of your posts, and if any abuse is found, the abuser would get slapped pretty satisfyingly.

She's already done that because it has happened in the past.

thegreatwolfgang said:
If someone is deliberately downvoting all of your pride posts when you post them, it is very likely you have someone abusing site tools to troll or hate on you.
In that case, you can ask for a mod or admin to check who downvoted on all of your posts, and if any abuse is found, the abuser would get slapped pretty satisfyingly.

Nah that’s the only one that had overt pride themes. I reported it at the time but mods didn’t find anything consistent. Just not willing to deal with that again so I’ll post them when the sites dead lol.

Personally, I wouldn't downvote anything short of an overt call to violence, but over the years I've found that there is a specific subset of internet users who seem to post flags and other identity symbols specifically to rile others up. See it happen often enough, and you'd build a negative view of those symbols. This goes for all ends of the political spectrum and plenty of non-political group identities as well. Anything from a sports team to a website logo, if given a suspiciously-prominent display by an in-group acting hostile to an out-group will build resentment.

When it comes to gender identity symbols, there are layers upon layers of both direct and passive-aggressive hostilities to be found flying every which way, overt and implied insults, and a hell of a lot of people who talk about each other far more than they talk to one another. It's an utter mess, and even if you try not to be involved, echoes of it will readily spill over to affect you. A particularly subtle poison is to think that your side's the righteous one, so your peers couldn't ever be in the wrong. Every bell curve has its long tail, and somewhere out on it you'll find trolls harming your reputation by association, inspiring future negative responses to symbols you hold dear.

Even if you want nothing to do with the hatred and squabbling, to remain fairly neutral? Inevitably, people will proclaim that's not allowed either. What do you think that does to the reputation of whatever group they're representing at the time? Perhaps you want to reconsider the half-formed reply currently in your head?

For a comparable analogy, how would you feel about seeing a religious bumper sticker? I've been around enough redditors to know it would have at least a few percent of the population grumbling; no idea how e6's regulars compare. Neither symbol's actually harming anyone on its own, the people bearing them see the symbols positively, while the people grumbling think of all the reasons they dislike the group it represents. Each person thinks their views are fully justified based on their own personal experiences, interactions, news sources, and the attitudes of the communities they frequent. I'd say the only remotely-plausible cure is to have a diverse enough social media diet that you regularly see others of all sorts simply being people rather than only knowing them as caricatures you've been told about.

daeeb1a said:
-soapbox-

The world could do with more people pulling eachother up rather than kicking them down, yeah.

If you want my reason for not liking such artwork (which doesn't reflect most peoples' reasoning): pride-themed stuff is generally boring. There are a bajillion CHARACTER holding PRIDE_FLAG posts and they aren't very interesting on average, neither compositionally or scenario-wise. It's the "daring today aren't we" meme with Squidward for me. Not to say that the artwork shouldn't exist or people shouldn't make it, I just don't personally like it. It's not for me. And even then, I don't downvote it, I just use my blacklist as you are supposed to for content you don't like.

Even being super gay I don't really like the idea of pride flags conceptually either, though that's a different story and has nothing to do with bigotry/not liking people/whatever. It's more like, I don't feel it's a good idea to have flags (which are generally faction indicators) for different identities which all have a common goal of "be accepted by society and not discriminated against" anyways. It needlessly separates people.

Though keep in mind a lot of people who downvote said stuff just don't like gay people. Pretty sure that's a refusal to use the blacklist and also against site rules, so if you think you see it happening, report it. Pride flags are often associated with identity politics as well, which has a lot of negative connotations, so that's a factor too.

I really don't care one way or another, but I'd bet it's because said persons feel that they get the whole pride flag thing crammed down their throat enough and don't want to see it here?

mklxiv said:
If you want my reason for not liking such artwork (which doesn't reflect most peoples' reasoning): pride-themed stuff is generally boring. There are a bajillion CHARACTER holding PRIDE_FLAG posts and they aren't very interesting on average, neither compositionally or scenario-wise. It's the "daring today aren't we" meme with Squidward for me.

DMC reading this: post #5114365

_{don't kill me it's just a joke}

nin10dope said:
DMC reading this: post #5114365

_{don't kill me it's just a joke}

Accurate

indigohowl said:
I really don't care one way or another, but I'd bet it's because said persons feel that they get the whole pride flag thing crammed down their throat enough and don't want to see it here?

Why are so many e621 gooners generic social conservatives

oneohthrix said:
Why are so many e621 gooners generic social conservatives

That's just how some apathetic people respond to stuff they don't care about
They don't care for it so they don't want to expend the energy to see or think about it

Although the effort of (assuming they're not using re6) clicking on a post to go to its page to downvote is questionable

more people have started to grow hateful of the pride movement over the past few years tbh

I can't wait for june :3

nin10dope said:
That's just how some apathetic people respond to stuff they don't care about
They don't care for it so they don't want to expend the energy to see or think about it

This is nonsense.
If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't go out of their way to downvote those posts. They would just ignore them.

Don't try to justify bigotry.

cinder said:
This is nonsense.
If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't go out of their way to downvote those posts. They would just ignore them.

Don't try to justify bigotry.

Have you seen their records???? That user is using weasel words because they literally are a bigot.

Just lock this thread already, nothing good will come out of it other than homophobes and transphobes.