The tag implication #67706 fingering -> penetration is pending approval.

Reason: This was previously suggested and rejected in topic #20042, but that was 7 years ago, and I believe this warrants a reexamination.

See topic #34213 and topic #32887 for additional discussion on this topic. The core argument against is that some posts depict external fingering with no or little penetration, but others argued that such examples should not count as fingering in the first place.

Forgot to mention, sometimes things are kept separate even though they are technically true for practical searching reasons.
Such as, if you would consider two fingers into an orifice as being double_penetration (but seriously though, this would dump ~52k fingering posts into the ~907k penetration pool, so I'm not sure if people would like that).

thegreatwolfgang said:
(but seriously though, this would dump ~52k fingering posts into the ~907k penetration pool, so I'm not sure if people would like that).

Quite a few fingering posts are already tagged penetration. fingering penetration has ~19k results, and while some of them may be a result of penile/dildo/tentacle penetration alongside fingering, some aren't.

I think a bigger issue is how fingering is being used for seemingly two different acts. One being to penetrate into a sexual orifice with fingers, and the other to rub the outside of the genitals with fingers. Essentially, vaginal_fingering is conflating the equivalent of anal_fingering (fingerings penetrating into the vaginal tunnel) and handjob (fingers rubbing the upper labia or exposed clitoris), which I think should be kept separate. Distinguishing those uses and having *_fingering used solely for penetrating into a sexual orifice with fingers, and this implication makes total sense.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Such as, if you would consider two fingers into an orifice as being double_penetration

Do tongues count towards penetration count? If yes, then logically fingers should also count. If no, then it should be simple enough to revise the wiki description for double_penetration to carve out an exception.

watsit said:
Distinguishing those uses and having *_fingering used solely for penetrating into a sexual orifice with fingers, and this implication makes total sense.

This, and I would change the non-penetrative uses to *_rubbing.

As far as I’m aware, the current clitoral_fingering tag is the only thing holding up this implication, since a clitoris is not an orifice and cannot be penetrated, so those are all rubbing. The rest would be fixing the occasional anal or labial rubbing, but the vast majority of these are penetrative and are lacking the penetration tag.

spe said:
a clitoris is not an orifice and cannot be penetrated

Well, technically it can, but it would either be a piercing or an impalement.

spe said:
As far as I’m aware, the current clitoral_fingering tag is the only thing holding up this implication, since a clitoris is not an orifice and cannot be penetrated, so those are all rubbing. The rest would be fixing the occasional anal or labial rubbing, but the vast majority of these are penetrative and are lacking the penetration tag.

I was going to suggest an alias to clitoris_rubbing, but that tag actually already exists and is used to depict tribadism. This will require some juggling.

The bulk update request #11306 is pending approval.

mass update clitoris_rubbing -> tribadism
create alias clitoral_fingering (2718) -> clitoral_rubbing (77) # duplicate of alias #74754; has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur

Reason: Would this work?

beholding said:
I was going to suggest an alias to clitoris_rubbing, but that tag actually already exists and is used to depict tribadism. This will require some juggling.
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mass update clitoris_rubbing -> tribadism

You might be confused with what tribadism is, i.e., rubbing two pussies together.
For clitoris_rubbing to apply, you need stimulation of the clitoris through rubbing with a hand, pussy, or anything else.

beholding said:
create alias clitoral_fingering (2685) -> clitoral_rubbing (73) # duplicate of alias #74754; has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur

Reason: Would this work?

It would not, not before the other alias request gets approved or declined.
In any case, discussions should be restarted there if there is to be any revived attempts to move forward with this renaming.