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create implication itch (29) -> itching (30)
create implication tickling (8596) -> itching (30)
create implication rash (5) -> itch (29)
create implication itch_cream (5) -> itch (29)
create implication itching_powder (24) -> itch (29)
create implication poison_ivy (4) -> itch (29)

Reason: I randomly got compelled to differentiate scratching and itching and decided to write wikis for both itch and itching
The purpose of tickling is causing itching, a rash causes an itch, the cream and powder are self-explanatory, and the only uses of the poison_ivy tag are causing an itch
Hopefully doing this will create a clear border with scratching, I already went through the itching tag to remove mistags of just someone randomly scratching an unmarked spot

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What's the difference between itch and itching?

Also, rashes aren't necessarily itchy. I wouldn't consider tickling to be a form of itching. Itch cream and itching powder could be present in an image without it being applied to anyone. Poison ivy could appear in a scene without causing anyone a rash.

I've never heard of tickling causing an itch, let alone be the purpose of tickling. The purpose of tickling is to try to make someone laugh (which may or may not be successful). And an "itch" isn't something you can see, for a TWYS-based tag it's something someone does, so it should be aliased to itching IMO.

watsit said:
I've never heard of tickling causing an itch, let alone be the purpose of tickling. The purpose of tickling is to try to make someone laugh (which may or may not be successful). And an "itch" isn't something you can see, for a TWYS-based tag it's something someone does, so it should be aliased to itching IMO.

An itch can absolutely be seen, look at any post where someone has hives from an allergic reaction, a mosquito bite, or an STI
You scratch an itch. Granted one could be aliased to the other. I didn't want to do that without input because there are posts where a character is complaining about an itch that you can't see (they're wearing uncomfortable clothes they keep scratching at, for example)

leafdapple said:
What's the difference between itch and itching?

Also, rashes aren't necessarily itchy. I wouldn't consider tickling to be a form of itching. Itch cream and itching powder could be present in an image without it being applied to anyone. Poison ivy could appear in a scene without causing anyone a rash.

An itch is the spot causing the feeling, itching is the uncomfortable feeling. I know the cream and powder can be there without being used, but I was thinking in practical terms, that's why they would be in the art just like the ivy. I'd say tickling is 50/50. If someone tickled you, yeah you'd laugh if you're ticklish, but you would also feel compelled to scratch/rub the spot they tickled. That compulsion is called itching.

nin10dope said:
An itch can absolutely be seen, look at any post where someone has hives from an allergic reaction, a mosquito bite, or an STI

That would be a rash. Some visible things can be the cause of an itch, and we can tag those, but an itch in and of itself isn't visible. I've had plenty of itchy spots that completely lack a visible cause, and even rashes can be made non-itchy with proper treatment.

nin10dope said:
Granted one could be aliased to the other. I didn't want to do that without input because there are posts where a character is complaining about an itch that you can't see (they're wearing uncomfortable clothes they keep scratching at, for example)

itching would work fine for cases where a character keeps itching/scratching at their clothes. But I don't think we need an "itch" tag for a character that simply mentions having an itch.

watsit said:
That would be a rash. Some visible things can be the cause of an itch, and we can tag those, but an itch in and of itself isn't visible. I've had plenty of itchy spots that completely lack a visible cause, and even rashes can be made non-itchy with proper treatment.

itching would work fine for cases where a character keeps itching/scratching at their clothes. But I don't think we need an "itch" tag for a character that simply mentions having an itch.

Itching and scratching are not the same thing. You don't itch a spot, you scratch it. The noun of itch is the sensation, which can be shown with emanata like layered squiggly lines that tell you a spot or item is uncomfortable. The verb of itch is the site or cause.

Granted, I only cleaned up itching because it's falsely used as the equivalent of scratching. You can see that rash only has 5 uses (one's a flash) and they're being used to show an itch.
I'll apologize that this BUR is very ungraceful and in need of refinement, but that's why I made it. Very literally an itch is itching but yeah that can definitely be changed

nin10dope said:
Itching and scratching are not the same thing. You don't itch a spot, you scratch it.

You can scratch an itch, but you can also itch an itch. Scratching is a harsher form of itching (or itching is a lighter form of scratching), at least those are how I infer the distinction between the terms.

nin10dope said:
The verb of itch is the site or cause.

The verb "itch" is the base form of "itching" or "itched", to itch something is to lightly scratch it.

watsit said:
You can scratch an itch, but you can also itch an itch. Scratching is a harsher form of itching (or itching is a lighter form of scratching), at least those are how I infer the distinction between the terms.

The verb "itch" is the base form of "itching" or "itched", to itch something is to lightly scratch it.

I'm sorry but you are completely wrong.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/itch

nin10dope said:
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/itch

Maybe a regional thing then, but I've never seen or heard of the verb "itch" as meaning the cause of the noun "itch", but have heard plenty of instances of the verb "itch" as meaning to lightly scratch.

watsit said:
Maybe a regional thing then, but I've never seen or heard of the verb "itch" as meaning the cause of the noun "itch", but have heard plenty of instances of the verb "itch" as meaning to lightly scratch.

It's just a very common misconception. I've heard it myself throughout my life. I'm trying to think of another example of people just misusing words everyday.
Edit: I guess another case is people saying irregardless but that's not quite the same sensation...

In all transparency, I am looking for better suggestions
We could change the itch and itching tags to invalid specifically because they're so popularly misunderstood.
But after cleaning itching, there actually are posts where the entire focus/appeal is that something is itching and/or the character has an itch

There's an issue with making these implications, due to the fact that there are different interpretations of these, and in personal experience, it's often bad tagging behavior to implicate objects with behaviors. For example:
A golf club should not implicate golfing, because while it can be used for golfing, it can also be used as a weapon against something, which I have also seen.

nin10dope said:
create implication tickling (8490) -> itching (30)
create implication rash (5) -> itch (31)
create implication itch_cream (5) -> itch (31)
create implication itching_powder (24) -> itch (31)
create implication poison_ivy (4) -> itch (31)

None of these are valid. As mentioned, tickling doesn't necessarily cause an itch (even if it can sometimes, it doesn't always and I doubt many people think of it as doing so, as it's primary function is to try to make someone laugh, so even ignoring the ambiguity in meaning, itching shouldn't be tagged if we don't see it causing an itch). Similarly, not all rashes are itchy (there's nothing in the definition, "an eruption on the body" that mandates it). itch_cream, itching_powder, and poison_ivy are things that can either soothe or cause itching, but aren't themselves an itch. You can depict poison ivy growing somewhere with no one near or being affect by it, and you can depict a container of itching cream or itching powder without anyone having an itch. Just like how you can depict a firearm without violence, or thrusting without penetration, the former may be commonly associated with or cause the latter, but the latter isn't required with the former.

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