Topic: [REJECTED] Tag alias: feminine -> femboy

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

In addition to the wiki being outdated, the tag currently contains quite a few females and gynomorphs, so an alias would cause a bunch of mistags.

I think we eventually wanted to have things like femboy imply feminine and manly and tomboy imply masculine and so on, but I don't think there was ever a BUR made for that. We could at least get a vote going on that, perhaps.

Donovan DMC

Former Staff

beholding said:
The wiki description is inaccurate, then. What should be done with feminine?

The intention was to legitimize it as a tag for any gendered character with a feminine body, and the same with masculine
That got lost in the churn of life at some point and the tags just got left to sit

How is this for a revised description?

Feminine describes a character who shows physical characteristics traditionally associated with women. This may include physical features such as a slim figure, wide hips, or long hair, or clothing, such as dresses, skirts, and bow ribbons. They may also prominent feature the color pink in either pink clothing or a pink body.

Note that this descriptor is not exclusive to female characters. For male characters with a feminine appearance, see femboy.

I noticed masculine also erroneously claims it has been aliased to manly. That will also need to be cleaned up.

spe said:
I think we eventually wanted to have things like femboy imply feminine and manly and tomboy imply masculine and so on, but I don't think there was ever a BUR made for that. We could at least get a vote going on that, perhaps.

donovan_dmc said:
The intention was to legitimize it as a tag for any gendered character with a feminine body, and the same with masculine
That got lost in the churn of life at some point and the tags just got left to sit

masculine males and feminine females... that sounds like it'd be, uh, difficult to quantify.

femboy and tomboy are easy since they're just "character whose gender presentation leans into <presentation of opposing gender categories>". if we create tags that can be applied to characters regardless of their gender category, I feel like it'd get messy.

would any female/male character who dosn't present as almost totally androgynous be subject to these tags? or would it only apply to characters who go beyond the "average" amount of masculine or feminine for their associated gender category? I'm not sure either of these situations would really make for a very satisfactory tag identity.

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dba_afish said:
masculine males and feminine females... that sounds like it'd be, uh, difficult to quantify.

femboy and tomboy are easy since they're just "character whose gender presentation leans into <presentation of opposing gender categories>". if we create tags that can be applied to characters regardless of their gender category, I feel like it'd get messy.

would any female/male character who dosn't present as almost totally androgynous be subject to these tags? or would it only apply to characters who go beyond the "average" amount of masculine or feminine for their associated gender category? I'm not sure either of these situations would really make for a very satisfactory tag identity.

I second this. I'm not a fan of manly for the same reason.

post #5460872 post #5443941

Like, these two posts come up in the first four examples for masculine, but I see nothing that would meaningfully distinguish them from a regular male tag.

Donovan DMC

Former Staff

beholding said:
I second this. I'm not a fan of manly for the same reason.

post #5460872 post #5443941

Like, these two posts come up in the first four examples for masculine, but I see nothing that would meaningfully distinguish them from a regular male tag.

That is part of the point, it's a wider tag that would span any and all genders
Most male (and andromorph/maleherm) characters would in fact be masculine, just like most female (and gynomorph/herm) characters would be feminine, then the ones that dont fit the "norm" get whatever their opposite is regardless of what their actual gender is

In other words, they're gender agnostic so focusing on the gender is the wrong thing to focus on

donovan_dmc said:
That is part of the point, it's a wider tag that would span any and all genders
Most male (and andromorph/maleherm) characters would in fact be masculine, just like most female (and gynomorph/herm) characters would be feminine, then the ones that dont fit the "norm" get whatever their opposite is regardless of what their actual gender is

In other words, they're gender agnostic so focusing on the gender is the wrong thing to focus on

the problem is that tagging the default like this leads to either a really muddy or really, like, stickery definition. I dunno, just trying to quantify if a girl character is "feminine" enough or a guy character is "masculine" enough to qualify for the tags feels like it'd be fraught with issues and potential pitfalls.