The default blacklist includes too few Fetishes,Many people don't add things they don't like to their blacklist when they see them. Here are some solutions I have for this issue:Users can add this tag to the default blacklist in the tag's wiki,But if that's the case, some users' favorite Fetishes will naturally be included in the default blacklist,Here is my solution to this problem,If the content searched by the user is on their default blacklist, the content will be automatically removed from their default blacklist,Before the user removes the tag from the blacklist, the website will display the Wiki of the tag to be removed. After sliding to the bottom, an option will appear asking if you want to remove the tag from your blacklist. Clicking the "Yes" button will successfully remove the tag, while clicking the "No" button will not

kubihazusaikou said:
Why does this website default to displaying mortally obese related content whenever you turn on the nsfw switch???Can't we use a switch like Pixiv that only shows you these niche things when you turn them on!!!???This reckless design has already hurt countless people!!!

you can put tags on your blacklist

kubihazusaikou said:
mortally obese

You mean "morbidly obese"? I thought "R18G" was more about gore and violence, not obesity? We have a blacklist for stuff that grosses you out, so you can add morbidly_obese.

strikerman said:
you can put tags on your blacklist

I know, but there are always some people who are too lazy to put these things on the blacklist,Moreover, the vast majority of people are unlikely to like things like this, so why not create an automatic blacklist?

kubihazusaikou said:
I know, but there are always some people who are too lazy to put these things on the blacklist,Moreover, the vast majority of people are unlikely to like things like this, so why not create an automatic blacklist?

There is for new accounts created after March 2020, which includes yours. I'm not sure what's on it though. I think young -rating:safe and possibly feces?

There is an automatic blacklist, it's the default one that all new accounts and all guests start with. If you think it should be revised to include morbid obesity or whatever then start there.

kubihazusaikou said:
Why does this website default to displaying mortally obese related content whenever you turn on the nsfw switch???Can't we use a switch like Pixiv that only shows you these niche things when you turn them on!!!???

Explicit content switches like that do not exist on e621.

Instead, we use a simple Tag Blacklist system that allows you to choose specific tags you do not wish to see.
By default, stuff like gore, scat, watersports, and explicit young content are blacklisted by default.

If there are any tags that you do not wish to appear on your search feed, add them to your blacklist.
You should be able to find it in the Settings page if you had actually looked around for it.

This reckless design has already hurt countless people!!!

Please go to these "countless people" and tell them to learn how to properly use our blacklist system.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Explicit content switches like that do not exist on e621.

Instead, we use a simple Tag Blacklist system that allows you to choose specific tags you do not wish to see.
By default, stuff like gore, scat, watersports, and explicit young content are blacklisted by default.

If there are any tags that you do not wish to appear on your search feed, add them to your blacklist.
You should be able to find it in the Settings page if you had actually looked around for it.

Please go to these "countless people" and tell them to learn how to properly use our blacklist system.

This is difficult to achieve, and only by modifying the mechanism can the damage be minimized

kubihazusaikou said:
Many, many people don't put things they don't like on their blacklist...

They really should be using their blacklist then. Deliberately ignoring the blacklist system when it exists and then proceeding to complain about seeing stuff they don't like is against the rules.

...and instead choose to resort to verbal violence I think we need an auto blacklist,This blacklist includes almost all controversial Fetishes.If what interests you is included, ,The automatic blacklist is turned on by default.If your favorite Fetishe is included in your automatic blacklist Then remove your favorite Fetishe from your automatic blacklist.Every time you turn off the automatic blacklist, the website will pop up a reminder, which says:After turning off the automatic blacklist, there is a high probability that you will see Fetishe that makes you feel very uncomfortable,But these things are also loved by people,Will you be tolerant of these things?Clicking on the yes option below will turn off the auto blacklist for the website,If you click on no option, it will not

We already automatically blacklist certain "controversial fetishes" by default.
What you perceive as being "controversial" is debatable, but at this current point in time, we only hear people complaining about gore, scat, watersports, and explicit young the most.

Having several tiers of blacklist levels may help with new users, but it needlessly complicates the existing system.
It is perfectly fine as it currently is if you learn how to use it. It is so simple that a single click can help you add a tag into your blacklist.

thegreatwolfgang said:
They really should be using their blacklist then. Deliberately ignoring the blacklist system when it exists and then proceeding to complain about seeing stuff they don't like is against the rules.

We already automatically blacklist certain "controversial fetishes" by default.
What you perceive as being "controversial" is debatable, but at this current point in time, we only hear people complaining about gore, scat, watersports, and explicit young the most.

Having several tiers of blacklist levels may help with new users, but it needlessly complicates the existing system.
It is perfectly fine as it currently is if you learn how to use it. It is so simple that a single click can help you add a tag into your blacklist.

So I came up with a solution that doesn't have multiple blacklist levels

thegreatwolfgang said:
They really should be using their blacklist then. Deliberately ignoring the blacklist system when it exists and then proceeding to complain about seeing stuff they don't like is against the rules.

We already automatically blacklist certain "controversial fetishes" by default.
What you perceive as being "controversial" is debatable, but at this current point in time, we only hear people complaining about gore, scat, watersports, and explicit young the most.

Having several tiers of blacklist levels may help with new users, but it needlessly complicates the existing system.
It is perfectly fine as it currently is if you learn how to use it. It is so simple that a single click can help you add a tag into your blacklist.

By the way, how old are you? I can feel calmness and wisdom from your words. You must be over 40 years old, right

kubihazusaikou said:
Can't we use a switch like Pixiv that only shows you these niche things when you turn them on!!!???

know you probably edited this out, but you can switch to sfw mode by changing the url from e621.net to e926.net, 926 is owned by e621 directly and is literally a carbon copy so you're good to sign in there

kubihazusaikou said:
The default blacklist includes too few Fetishes. Here are some solutions I have for this issue:Users can add this tag to the default blacklist in the tag's wiki

Brb adding big_breasts to the universal default blacklist.

regsmutt said:
Brb adding big_breasts to the universal default blacklist.

At least it needs to be so big that people feel physically uncomfortable

regsmutt said:
Brb adding big_breasts to the universal default blacklist.

Many Fetishes really make you want to have your eyes gouged out,In order to prevent artists related to painting these things from being criticized, we can only do this

regsmutt said:
Brb adding big_breasts to the universal default blacklist.

Many Fetishes really make you want to have your eyes gouged out,In order to prevent artists related to painting these things from being criticized, we can only do this

okc said:
know you probably edited this out, but you can switch to sfw mode by changing the url from e621.net to e926.net, 926 is owned by e621 directly and is literally a carbon copy so you're good to sign in there

This still cannot solve the problem of painters who paint very unacceptable Fetishes Related content having a high probability of being insulted by others,What I want is to make sure that everyone doesn't see things that are difficult for them to accept as much as possible

I was originally going to joke, but it dawned on me that it's not actually a completely awful idea: e621 could do with some sort of onboarding process on signup that's the opposite of those apps that ask you to choose your interests on signup. Choose what repulses you.

The e621:blacklisting suggestions page is great and all, but I think most people don't even know it exists, nor do they have the effort to actually type these things. For some people it's just easier to complain than actually do anything about it.

kubihazusaikou said:
This still cannot solve the problem of painters who paint very unacceptable Fetishes Related content having a high probability of being insulted by others,What I want is to make sure that everyone doesn't see things that are difficult for them to accept as much as possible

While general hate towards certain "uncomfortable" fetishes are unavoidable, users who are found to have (again) deliberately ignore using their blacklist are routinely slapped by the mod team.
This includes behaviour such as mass downvoting artworks with fetishes they don't like, leaving hateful comments about the artist or their work, purposefully not using their blacklist even after being told to, or complaining about stuff they don't like in the comments/forums, etc.

faucet said:
I was originally going to joke, but it dawned on me that it's not actually a completely awful idea: e621 could do with some sort of onboarding process on signup that's the opposite of those apps that ask you to choose your interests on signup. Choose what repulses you.

The e621:blacklisting suggestions page is great and all, but I think most people don't even know it exists, nor do they have the effort to actually type these things. For some people it's just easier to complain than actually do anything about it.

I, in fact, did not know that page existed, it might be good to surface it in the wiki or when onboarding, maybe even with a 1 click/tap addition to the blacklist, like you can do on desktop now.
I already have a few things there blocked and I might go add others

thegreatwolfgang said:
While general hate towards certain "uncomfortable" fetishes are unavoidable, users who are found to have (again) deliberately ignore using their blacklist are routinely slapped by the mod team.
This includes behaviour such as mass downvoting artworks with fetishes they don't like, leaving hateful comments about the artist or their work, purposefully not using their blacklist even after being told to, or complaining about stuff they don't like in the comments/forums, etc.

I know this can have some effect, but the efficiency is really too low,Moreover, there are some lunatics who wouldn't refrain from doing this because it would result in their accounts being banned

thegreatwolfgang said:
While general hate towards certain "uncomfortable" fetishes are unavoidable, users who are found to have (again) deliberately ignore using their blacklist are routinely slapped by the mod team.
This includes behaviour such as mass downvoting artworks with fetishes they don't like, leaving hateful comments about the artist or their work, purposefully not using their blacklist even after being told to, or complaining about stuff they don't like in the comments/forums, etc.

Punishment is always one step later than crime, and even the most severe punishment cannot completely eliminate crime. Therefore, we cannot sit idly by and wait for death. We must prevent crime

thegreatwolfgang said:
While general hate towards certain "uncomfortable" fetishes are unavoidable, users who are found to have (again) deliberately ignore using their blacklist are routinely slapped by the mod team.
This includes behaviour such as mass downvoting artworks with fetishes they don't like, leaving hateful comments about the artist or their work, purposefully not using their blacklist even after being told to, or complaining about stuff they don't like in the comments/forums, etc.

So we must ensure that the default blacklist includes the vast majority of uncomfortable 'fetishes', I think exchanging a slight inconvenience for a significant reduction in verbal violence is a very worthwhile deal, after all, some artists' hearts are not as strong as you think, and they will die because of the vicious words of others

thegreatwolfgang said:
While general hate towards certain "uncomfortable" fetishes are unavoidable, users who are found to have (again) deliberately ignore using their blacklist are routinely slapped by the mod team.
This includes behaviour such as mass downvoting artworks with fetishes they don't like, leaving hateful comments about the artist or their work, purposefully not using their blacklist even after being told to, or complaining about stuff they don't like in the comments/forums, etc.

In addition, if you find the default blacklist troublesome, you can turn it off. Also, if something you like is still on the default blacklist, you can remove it from the default blacklist and see what you like every time

faucet said:
I was originally going to joke, but it dawned on me that it's not actually a completely awful idea: e621 could do with some sort of onboarding process on signup that's the opposite of those apps that ask you to choose your interests on signup. Choose what repulses you.

The e621:blacklisting suggestions page is great and all, but I think most people don't even know it exists, nor do they have the effort to actually type these things. For some people it's just easier to complain than actually do anything about it.

I think it would be more convenient to remove your favorite Fetishes from the default blacklist,After all, this is the Internet. You will have a very high probability of seeing "Fetishes" that you didn't know before, but you will want you to dig out your eyes,Moreover, removing the things you like from the default blacklist is also very simple and elegant,If the item you are searching for is on your default blacklist, then remove it from your personal blacklist

kubihazusaikou said:
I think it would be more convenient to remove your favorite Fetishes from the default blacklist,After all, this is the Internet. You will have a very high probability of seeing "Fetishes" that you didn't know before, but you will want you to dig out your eyes,Moreover, removing the things you like from the default blacklist is also very simple and elegant,If the item you are searching for is on your default blacklist, then remove it from your personal blacklist

the problem is, like, where do you draw the line for what content is considered objectionable enough to get put on the default blacklist?

my_little_pony?
vore?
transformation?
intersex?
male/male?

kubihazusaikou said:
In addition, if you find the default blacklist troublesome, you can turn it off. Also, if something you like is still on the default blacklist, you can remove it from the default blacklist and see what you like every time

If you find your default blacklist lacking, you can add to it
There is definitely a lacking in directions to commonly blacklisted tags, but that is not a reason to add every remotely controversial thing to the blacklist
That's how you end up with 75% of the site blacklisted because it isn't purely vanilla or sfw
Adding tooltips, wiki page links, and easier ways to add tags to the blacklist is how you solve this
The blacklist exists to curb complaints, not to hide as much content as possible

There's too much niche stuff to default-blacklist everything. Some stuff doesn't even have tags. What is uncomfortable is subjective. Having users be able to add to the universal default blacklist is inviting trouble- both from trolling and people who just don't tolerate anything.

This site hosts weird niche art. By using this site you will likely encounter weird niche art. Fortunately you can blacklist stuff as you see it, and even blacklist specific combinations of tags. If you want to only encounter vanilla furry art with no risk of seeing something weird you might want to make your own site.

dba_afish said:
the problem is, like, where do you draw the line for what content is considered objectionable enough to get put on the default blacklist?

my_little_pony?
vore?
transformation?
intersex?
male/male?

no idea,If the image rating is safe, it can still be displayed?

regsmutt said:
There's too much niche stuff to default-blacklist everything. Some stuff doesn't even have tags. What is uncomfortable is subjective. Having users be able to add to the universal default blacklist is inviting trouble- both from trolling and people who just don't tolerate anything.

This site hosts weird niche art. By using this site you will likely encounter weird niche art. Fortunately you can blacklist stuff as you see it, and even blacklist specific combinations of tags. If you want to only encounter vanilla furry art with no risk of seeing something weird you might want to make your own site.

donovan_dmc said:
If you find your default blacklist lacking, you can add to it
There is definitely a lacking in directions to commonly blacklisted tags, but that is not a reason to add every remotely controversial thing to the blacklist
That's how you end up with 75% of the site blacklisted because it isn't purely vanilla or sfw
Adding tooltips, wiki page links, and easier ways to add tags to the blacklist is how you solve this
The blacklist exists to curb complaints, not to hide as much content as possible

I know, and several of my favorite "Fetishes" are quite uncomfortable ones,I'm just worried that someone might scold the author at the original address, causing the author to not want to draw

regsmutt said:
There's too much niche stuff to default-blacklist everything. Some stuff doesn't even have tags. What is uncomfortable is subjective. Having users be able to add to the universal default blacklist is inviting trouble- both from trolling and people who just don't tolerate anything.

This site hosts weird niche art. By using this site you will likely encounter weird niche art. Fortunately you can blacklist stuff as you see it, and even blacklist specific combinations of tags. If you want to only encounter vanilla furry art with no risk of seeing something weird you might want to make your own site.

donovan_dmc said:
If you find your default blacklist lacking, you can add to it
There is definitely a lacking in directions to commonly blacklisted tags, but that is not a reason to add every remotely controversial thing to the blacklist
That's how you end up with 75% of the site blacklisted because it isn't purely vanilla or sfw
Adding tooltips, wiki page links, and easier ways to add tags to the blacklist is how you solve this
The blacklist exists to curb complaints, not to hide as much content as possible

Moreover, many people who see things they dislike will not add them to their blacklist, but instead choose to go to trolls

regsmutt said:
There's too much niche stuff to default-blacklist everything. Some stuff doesn't even have tags. What is uncomfortable is subjective. Having users be able to add to the universal default blacklist is inviting trouble- both from trolling and people who just don't tolerate anything.

This site hosts weird niche art. By using this site you will likely encounter weird niche art. Fortunately you can blacklist stuff as you see it, and even blacklist specific combinations of tags. If you want to only encounter vanilla furry art with no risk of seeing something weird you might want to make your own site.

donovan_dmc said:
If you find your default blacklist lacking, you can add to it
There is definitely a lacking in directions to commonly blacklisted tags, but that is not a reason to add every remotely controversial thing to the blacklist
That's how you end up with 75% of the site blacklisted because it isn't purely vanilla or sfw
Adding tooltips, wiki page links, and easier ways to add tags to the blacklist is how you solve this
The blacklist exists to curb complaints, not to hide as much content as possible

At least these trolls feel comfortable on websites like this,No matter how severe the punishment measures are, it is impossible to control these emotionally driven trolls,There's really no other better way, and if you can't stand this troll mode, you can turn it off and the website will revert back to its current state

kubihazusaikou said:
no idea,If the image rating is safe, it can still be displayed?

okay so, there's two problems I see with the "just blacklist pretty much everything by default" approach: 1) if we start adding every potentially controversial thing to the default blacklist, the stuff we put on there will (to some, at least) feel, well, discriminatory. and 2) at some point if we add too much stuff to the default blacklist, users are going to be annoyed by how much stuff they've got to remove and, rather than going through and removing individual items, they're just gonna straight nuke the thing the first chance they get, which entirely defeats the purpose and will likely make the problem worse.

kubihazusaikou said:
Moreover, many people who see things they dislike will not add them to their blacklist, but instead choose to go to trolls

At least these trolls feel comfortable on websites like this,No matter how severe the punishment measures are, it is impossible to control these emotionally driven trolls,There's really no other better way, and if you can't stand this troll mode, you can turn it off and the website will revert back to its current state

the types who will troll regardless of punishment will troll regardless of any barriers that might be put up to try to restrict them.

kubihazusaikou said:
Moreover, many people who see things they dislike will not add them to their blacklist, but instead choose to go to trolls

Trolls will troll, blacklisting half the site will not stop them
Proof: any account made after somewhere around March 2020 has young -rating:s in their blacklist by default, yet they disable this blacklist and still comment on the posts

kubihazusaikou said:
I know, and several of my favorite "Fetishes" are quite uncomfortable ones,I'm just worried that someone might scold the author at the original address, causing the author to not want to draw

What? The majority of artists are not posting their own work here, it's other unrelated users

Also, please stop double and triple posting. Just put all replies in one post, you quoting the same thing 3 different times with 3 different replies makes it really hard to follow what I have and haven't read, and unnecessarily clutters the topic

kubihazusaikou said:
At least these trolls feel comfortable on websites like this,No matter how severe the punishment measures are, it is impossible to control these emotionally driven trolls,There's really no other better way, and if you can't stand this troll mode, you can turn it off and the website will revert back to its current state

you advocate for this so hard yet i havent learned what you mean by said "extreme fetishes"? i moderate a discord with like 1k, and typically a lot of trolls come through. would they care if they got banned? no. why? because they dont care - why would they care? servers like mine are a dime a dozen. you are creating a problem that is already being solved, thats whats moderators are for!!! there is no better alternative than a human moderator handling said trolls

most of the time fetishes like hyper_penis, diaper_fetish, anything hyper according to you - hell, even order:score_asc mostly fall under rating:e. e926 as i previously suggested removes these posts from your view

kubihazusaikou said:
Moreover, many people who see things they dislike will not add them to their blacklist, but instead choose to go to trolls

people who go to troll go bye bye, you realize that right? staff fight back on this. ive seen people get banned over it

kubihazusaikou said:
I know, and several of my favorite "Fetishes" are quite uncomfortable ones,I'm just worried that someone might scold the author at the original address, causing the author to not want to draw

"...several of my favorite "fetishes" are quite uncomfortable ones"

like?

kubihazusaikou said:
no idea,If the image rating is safe, it can still be displayed?

as a matter of fact, yes! you can combine tags in your blacklist, for example young -rating:s

kubihazusaikou said:
I think it would be more convenient to remove your favorite Fetishes from the default blacklist,After all, this is the Internet. You will have a very high probability of seeing "Fetishes" that you didn't know before, but you will want you to dig out your eyes,Moreover, removing the things you like from the default blacklist is also very simple and elegant,If the item you are searching for is on your default blacklist, then remove it from your personal blacklist

adding would be more convenient than sifting through removing + UX would require it to be right up to your face to be used by a decent chunk, knowing how people act. and thats the beauty of e6! you're free to add anything you can think of, even on the go.