The tag implication #67113 small_top_big_bottom -> larger_penetrated is pending approval.

Reason: Self-explanatory. However, I'm not sure if we need small_top_big_bottom at all, or if it's redundant with larger_penetrated.

The bulk update request #10847 has been rejected.

create alias small_top_big_bottom (4327) -> larger_penetrated (24809)

Reason: An alternative.

EDIT: The bulk update request #10847 (forum #444954) has been rejected by @Beholding.

Neither of those accounts for cases where the top is the one being penetrated, though

The bulk update request #10847 (forum #444954) has been rejected by @Beholding.

Never mind, apparently someone tried this a year ago and it got stuck in limbo. Vote on alias #64908 if you want to create an alias instead.

bugabond said:
Neither of those accounts for cases where the top is the one being penetrated, though

In this case "bottom" is synonymous with "penetrated".

beholding said:
In this case "bottom" is synonymous with "penetrated".

It would appear I have been extremely confused about what "bottom" means in the context. The curse of not being a native speaker strikes again.

bugabond said:
It would appear I have been extremely confused about what "bottom" means in the context. The curse of not being a native speaker strikes again.

In slang, "top" refers to the penetrating partner and "bottom" refers to the penetrated partner, and that's usually how the terms are used here. on_top and on_bottom are based on literal positions, however.

bugabond said:
It would appear I have been extremely confused about what "bottom" means in the context. The curse of not being a native speaker strikes again.

It's not solely an issue with non-native speakers. In some contexts, even to native speakers it can be confusing whether "top" is referring to a character being physically on top, or penetrating another, and similar for "bottom". Which is why some of us want to avoid and get rid of "top" and "bottom" tags where they can be confused for what it means, as they can often get mixed up.

beholding said:
Never mind, apparently someone tried this a year ago and it got stuck in limbo. Vote on alias #64908 if you want to create an alias instead.

Or vote on topic #44816 instead if you want to deal with them all

I think that it can still be clear who is the bottom in images where penetration hasn't happened yet or has stopped. It could potentially be argued to apply to certain forms of non-penetrative sex as well.
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regsmutt said:
I think that it can still be clear who is the bottom in images where penetration hasn't happened yet or has stopped. It could potentially be argued to apply to certain forms of non-penetrative sex as well.

That will just make it more confusing, having "top"/"bottom" referring to characters that are physically on top/bottom, or penetrating/penetrated, or assertive/passive role.

watsit said:
That will just make it more confusing, having "top"/"bottom" referring to characters that are physically on top/bottom, or penetrating/penetrated, or assertive/passive role.

Agreed. In the confined space of this website in particular, top should continue being exclusively synonymous with penetrating and vice versa for bottom. It also holds the validity of power_bottom
On a related note, do people use service_top on this site regularly? I know next to nothing about how that content looks but it would assumedly also benefit from keeping top and bottom set in stone.

nin10dope said:
In the confined space of this website in particular, top should continue being exclusively synonymous with penetrating and vice versa for bottom.

I'd say the opposite, to avoid using top/bottom in reference to penetrating/penetrated as much as possible. We already have and use "penetrating" and "penetrated" plenty, which work perfectly fine. And there are instances where we can't really avoid using "top" and "bottom" in reference to physical positioning (e.g. female_on_top for female characters physically on top of another character, even if they're being penetrated). So it's best to not try to keep pushing top=penetrating and bottom=penetrated in tags IMO, as that's what's causing mixups.

watsit said:
I'd say the opposite, to avoid using top/bottom in reference to penetrating/penetrated as much as possible. We already have and use "penetrating" and "penetrated" plenty, which work perfectly fine. And there are instances where we can't really avoid using "top" and "bottom" in reference to physical positioning (e.g. female_on_top for female characters physically on top of another character, even if they're being penetrated). So it's best to not try to keep pushing top=penetrating and bottom=penetrated in tags IMO, as that's what's causing mixups.

Honestly, just ignore what I said
I think I was just riffing off the top of my head
I guess I meant in the context of conversation?
So that people don't get confused and think top == dom