first_person_view requires the PoV character to be visible, but there are many cases where a leashed_pov exists without the PoV character visible.

cagelight said:
first_person_view requires the PoV character to be visible, but there are many cases where a leashed_pov exists without the PoV character visible.

Then leashed_pov is a mistag and should be removed. *_pov tags are generally for first_person_view, so if the latter doesn't apply, the former can't either, and would need to be removed from posts regardless of any implication anyway. The implication, at least, helps people see the mistag.

It seems though, a number of these mistags may be a result of leashed_viewer being aliased to leashed_pov. These should be separated since *_viewer is generally for cases where the viewing character isn't visible, unlike *_pov which is for when the viewing character is visible.

The bulk update request #9385 is active.

remove alias leashed_viewer (580) -> leashed_pov (1248)
remove alias leashing_the_viewer (0) -> leashed_pov (1248)
remove alias leashing_viewer (6) -> leashed_pov (1248)

Reason: Viewer and POV tags should be separate. *_viewer tags are generally for when a character is interacting with the viewing character who otherwise may not be seen (e.g. looking_at_viewer, talking_to_viewer, penis_towards_viewer), while *_pov tags are generally for when the viewing character can be seen (penetrating_pov, male_pov). Since leashed_pov implies first_person_view, this is causing mistags for people tagging leashed_viewer, without an apparent alternative to tag non-POV leashed viewer scenarios.

Followup:

alias leashing_the_viewer -> leashed_viewer
alias leashing_viewer -> leashed_viewer
imply leashed_viewer -> leash

EDIT: The bulk update request #9385 (forum #420915) has been approved by @spe.

watsit said:
Then leashed_pov is a mistag and should be removed. *_pov tags are generally for first_person_view, so if the latter doesn't apply, the former can't either, and would need to be removed from posts regardless of any implication anyway. The implication, at least, helps people see the mistag.

It seems though, a number of these mistags may be a result of leashed_viewer being aliased to leashed_pov. These should be separated since *_viewer is generally for cases where the viewing character isn't visible, unlike *_pov which is for when the viewing character is visible.

Yes, this is the problem I encountered. I was trying to add "leashed_viewer" and it aliased to "leashed_pov". Of course, your solution makes more sense.

Bumping this because this continues being an issue. I want to clean up the leashed_pov tag, but I feel like not having the intended leashed_viewer tag at my disposal makes the cleaning less than ideal.

I generally agree with the BUR since not all leashed_pov is a leashed_viewer. However, I think that by definition a leashed viewer is a leashed pov, so leashed viewer should implicate leashed pov.
Searching for a leashed character in the scene, not the viewer, could use leashed_pov -leashed_viewer.
Searching for the leashed viewer, not a character in the scene, could use leashed_viewer.

It's a little harder to search, but it would make the tags more structured, aid in tag discoverability, and convey the distinction between the two.

A similar approach could be taken for leashing_pov and leashing_viewer, as those are currently also aliased.

song said:
I generally agree with the BUR since not all leashed_pov is a leashed_viewer. However, I think that by definition a leashed viewer is a leashed pov, so leashed viewer should implicate leashed pov.

The other way around. A leashed_pov should be a first_person_view of a leashed character, which depends on some part of the character being visible. A leashed_pov would be a leashed_viewer (as long as we consider something done to a POV character as being done to the viewer, which I believe we do), but a leashed_viewer isn't necessarily a leashed_pov since a part of the character doesn't need to be visible.

The bulk update request #9385 (forum #420915) has been approved by @spe.

The bulk update request #11256 is pending approval.

create alias leashing_the_viewer (0) -> leashed_viewer (580)
create alias leashing_viewer (6) -> leashed_viewer (580)
create implication leashed_viewer (580) -> leash (59440)

Reason: Part 2