The tag implication #64070 stealthing -> questionable_consent has been rejected.

Reason: Stealthing is by definition a violation of consent on some level. Art like this should be treated with that gravity of being dub-con.

EDIT: The tag implication stealthing -> questionable_consent (forum #409558) has been rejected by @furrypickle.

getamead said:
Reason: Stealthing is by definition a violation of consent on some level. Art like this should be treated with that gravity of being dub-con.

I don't think questionable_consent fits perfectly to all instances of stealthing, I think sometimes it's straight up nonconsensual/rape. Putting questionable_consent on straight up rape feels wrong.

ex. Character 1 is crying and resisting, Character 2 insists they'll use a condom, Character 1 acquiesces and stealthing happens. That's more rape than questionable consent.

There's also the argument that all instances of stealthing are nonconsensual/rape, which complicates things. It's definitely not consensual but that doesn't make it cleanly dubcon or noncon in all cases.

pankino2002 said:
I don't think questionable_consent fits perfectly to all instances of stealthing, I think sometimes it's straight up nonconsensual/rape. Putting questionable_consent on straight up rape feels wrong.

ex. Character 1 is crying and resisting, Character 2 insists they'll use a condom, Character 1 acquiesces and stealthing happens. That's more rape than questionable consent.

There's also the argument that all instances of stealthing are nonconsensual/rape, which complicates things. It's definitely not consensual but that doesn't make it cleanly dubcon or noncon in all cases.

I personally agree, but wanted to leave room for some stuff that is in a weird space thematically.

My reason for proposing the implication being there automatically is the fact that there is currently no implication at all, and a lot of people keep not tagging stealthing as rape or questionable consent.

It's a sticky situation. I'd be for it if there was some umbrella tag like lack_of_clear_consent which covers both dubcon and noncon, but I don't think such a tag would have much support, so I think it'd be better to either imply it to forced (since it's something forced on a partner without their consent) or to leave it as it is and put instructions in the wiki to tag either questionable_consent or rape.

It seems like stealthing is also severely undertagged. Just looking through sabotaged_condom, punctured_condom and broken_condom there's a lot of stealthing that goes untagged.

The tag implication stealthing -> questionable_consent (forum #409558) has been rejected by @furrypickle.

This sounds like it would work better as a tagging project, instead of an implication. It is definitely 1, undertagged and 2, definitely important for blacklists and searches. But I think there's too many variables involved for an implication to resolve it.

furrypickle said:
This sounds like it would work better as a tagging project, instead of an implication. It is definitely 1, undertagged and 2, definitely important for blacklists and searches. But I think there's too many variables involved for an implication to resolve it.

There's not that many, it's hardly a tag project

snpthecat said:
There's not that many, it's hardly a tag project

Yeah, stealthing itself is small. That's very true.

But I was also thinking about pankino2002's point that there are related tags (like sabotaged_condom, punctured_condom and broken_condom ) which could overlap sometimes with stealthing. And esp how a lot of those type tags are probably undertagged on consent level. Which could get more involved as a tag project, depending on how bad it is.

Stealthing also sounds like it could be confused for sneaking (which itself seems occasionally misused for stealth_masturbation or stealth_sex, that don't involve the character sneaking around).