Hello everyone! As some of you might be aware, we have a raceplay tag and some related content mentioned inside. These tags need community approval and updates, and I would like the discussion on how the wiki should be built and handled to start here. I'm not the best wiki editor in the world, so I'm relying on you, the community, to help get these tags organized and built in a way our users can easily understand. Thanks to everyone who contributes to the discussion!

The bulk update request #8047 is active.

create alias striped_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)
create alias bleached_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)
create alias blacked_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)

Reason: I think the raceplay tag is enough if we keep it around.

EDIT: The bulk update request #8047 (forum #404621) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

I don't really mind keeping the three tags since people can be picky, but I would personally change and add this part to the wiki pages to avoid any malicious additions or "misinterpretations," especially when it's used with humans:

Do not add this tag to posts simply because the characters are different species/tones. The post should be implicitly obvious in its thematic nature, and should only be tagged if it's explicitly clear in the post.

Take this post for instance with the striped_(kink) tag.
post #4681105
Going by TWYS, It's just a zebra sucking a tit of a pony. What part of the race is being necessarily fetishized aside from it being interspecies?

Edit: Got ninjaed by a pony.

The bulk update request #8047 (forum #404621) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

werideatdawn said:
I don't really mind keeping the three tags since people can be picky, but I would personally change and add this part to the wiki pages to avoid any malicious additions or "misinterpretations," especially when it's used with humans:
Take this post for instance with the striped_(kink) tag.
post #4681105
Going by TWYS, It's just a zebra sucking a tit of a pony. What part of the race is being necessarily fetishized aside from it being interspecies?

Edit: Got ninjaed by a pony.

You can still make contributions to the raceplay discussion, any and all input on that is greatly appreciated.

I still think having separate tags would be nice.

Like, I enjoy posts that would've been under 'striped_(kink)' or the former 'zebradom' tag, but not necessarily a fan of 'blacked' or 'bleached', mainly because I'm here for furs not human/oids.
I recognize I could just do raceplay -human -humanoid, but that also leads to a bunch of furs with blacked/bleached symbolism, without the presence of a human/oid (for example)
As WeRideAtDawn says, I'm picky. But I do also understand the tagging issue.

That being said... zebradom was aliased to interspecies domination while striped_(kink) was aliased to raceplay.
That might be a little confusing for users, so if we're going down the non-specific species/raceplay I think we should choose one tag to alias to

i get that necroing threads is frowned upon but as far as my forum search-fu (searching *blacked* in body or title) can tell this is the most recent discussion about this so. what makes the raceplay tag "enough" in this case? and even if it's enough for you why can't we also have more specificity for those who want it? idk these aliases just seem like a fairly arbitrary line in the sand

notsofemmy said:
i get that necroing threads is frowned upon but as far as my forum search-fu (searching *blacked* in body or title) can tell this is the most recent discussion about this so. what makes the raceplay tag "enough" in this case? and even if it's enough for you why can't we also have more specificity for those who want it? idk these aliases just seem like a fairly arbitrary line in the sand

I suspect in part it's due to the major forms of raceplay being very human-centric, if not human specific, and a desire to not necessarily encourage barely relevant human-centric/specific content. Species-specific fantasy versions (like the whole zebra thing) can usually be found by searching the relevant species.

then why not alias raceplay to speciesplay to make this more clear

notsofemmy said:
then why not alias raceplay to speciesplay to make this more clear

Because that would be an extremely horrible tag to apply to instances where it is referring to humans or skin tone. Also even when totally 'furry'/fantasy, if the motifs and symbols used originated from raceplay communities it should be tagged.

then in instances where it is referring to human or skin tone and when furry/fantasy uses motifs and symbols originated from raceplay communities it should have separate tags to aid granular search/blacklisting.

versperus said:
The bulk update request #8047 is active.

create alias striped_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)
create alias bleached_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)
create alias blacked_(kink) (0) -> raceplay (1319)

Reason: I think the raceplay tag is enough if we keep it around.

EDIT: The bulk update request #8047 (forum #404621) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

I am a new raceplay furry artist so i looked up this thread to address an issue with tagging. Blacked and Bleached are both raceplay categories yes, but these are two drastically different tropes. Bleached having themes based on real life colonialism and raping of women of color and cucking of their husbands, while blacked is mainly a trope of black men homewrecking white couples and enforcing a NEW world order which does not exist because black people are not the oppressing class in which these kinks are derived from. one is a reality based kink and the other is one which explores a NEW WORLD ORDER. One is a nazi kink and the other is a BBC kink. I believe both of these have room in fiction so im not trying to say one is worse or better because i know many people hate blacked if theyre into bleached and vice versa. but these kinks are different enough that they should at least get their own tags.

inter species or interracial porn (whether it be both at the same time or separate) are stated in the wiki to not be automatically raceplay, and ive heard many people say human race tags have no place on a furry website. which doesnt make sense because i have ocs that are one species (canine) and can be any race but i also have ocs that are a certain species because i find it fitting for the race without any negative stereotypes. the tagging system regarding raceplay is very clunky and hard to use.

colapaws said:
inter species or interracial porn (whether it be both at the same time or separate) are stated in the wiki to not be automatically raceplay, and ive heard many people say human race tags have no place on a furry website. which doesnt make sense because i have ocs that are one species (canine) and can be any race but i also have ocs that are a certain species because i find it fitting for the race without any negative stereotypes. the tagging system regarding raceplay is very clunky and hard to use.

Applying the concept of human "race" to a non-human character is not compatible with TWYS. "This dog person would be a (color) person if they were human" cannot be understood just from looking at the art, and we usually avoid tagging from "vibes" or outside knowledge with very specific exceptions that need to have some merit wrt our way of doing things.

gattonero2001 said:
Applying the concept of human "race" to a non-human character is not compatible with TWYS. "This dog person would be a (color) person if they were human" cannot be understood just from looking at the art, and we usually avoid tagging from "vibes" or outside knowledge with very specific exceptions that need to have some merit wrt our way of doing things.

Race-coding exists. You should amend your statement to instead refer to the unreliability and subjectivity of identifying race-coding.

nin10dope said:
Race-coding exists. You should amend your statement to instead refer to the unreliability and subjectivity of identifying race-coding.

then why have a raceplay tag at all? its very obvious to me when i see furries that have curly hair and afros and box braids and locs. this is something you can see. i am tagging what i see. straight hair does not look the same when styles in these same styles. plus its raceplay porn where race is being acknowledged so why have this tag at all if you cant effectively be able to tag race? plus were not talking about tagging white or blacked were talking about tagging BLACKED OR BLEACHED which is shown by their symbols spades or hearts which are visually different and you can tag blacked or bleached without needing to know the race of the furry

colapaws said:
then why have a raceplay tag at all? its very obvious to me when i see furries that have curly hair and afros and box braids and locs. this is something you can see. i am tagging what i see. straight hair does not look the same when styles in these same styles. plus its raceplay porn where race is being acknowledged so why have this tag at all if you cant effectively be able to tag race? plus were not talking about tagging white or blacked were talking about tagging BLACKED OR BLEACHED which is shown by their symbols spades or hearts which are visually different and you can tag blacked or bleached without needing to know the race of the furry

Alright lower your tone, I didn't even explicitly say if I was in favor for or against anything. I was simply offering advice to a fellow user to improve their argument.

colapaws said:
then why have a raceplay tag at all? its very obvious to me when i see furries that have curly hair and afros and box braids and locs. this is something you can see. i am tagging what i see. straight hair does not look the same when styles in these same styles. plus its raceplay porn where race is being acknowledged so why have this tag at all if you cant effectively be able to tag race? plus were not talking about tagging white or blacked were talking about tagging BLACKED OR BLEACHED which is shown by their symbols spades or hearts which are visually different and you can tag blacked or bleached without needing to know the race of the furry

i think there are definetely grounds to keep bleached and blacked separate. I mean how else can uses find one without the other?

but also I think "race-coding" should have to be some sort of lore tag, because we can't just determine if an artist intends for a character to be a specific race from looks alone.

My mom is white, when she was in her early 20's she was a hippie and had locs,. There are many jewish people who have afros because of hair genetics, etc. I think if we do race-coded tags it has to come from the artist themselves, hair styles etc are hard because of cultural mixing.

Either way i think we should definitely separate the two tags. It's very easy to tell them apart usually, and most blacked artwork includes the ace of spades symbol which makes it doubly easy to tell

nin10dope said:
Race-coding exists. You should amend your statement to instead refer to the unreliability and subjectivity of identifying race-coding.

IMO "race coding" requires "vibes" to work.

manitka said:
but also I think "race-coding" should have to be some sort of lore tag, because we can't just determine if an artist intends for a character to be a specific race from looks alone.

TBH most of the staff would probably be against expanding lore tags in that direction because it feels like it would create a lot of trouble

manitka said:
i think there are definetely grounds to keep bleached and blacked separate. I mean how else can uses find one without the other?

but also I think "race-coding" should have to be some sort of lore tag, because we can't just determine if an artist intends for a character to be a specific race from looks alone.

My mom is white, when she was in her early 20's she was a hippie and had locs,. There are many jewish people who have afros because of hair genetics, etc. I think if we do race-coded tags it has to come from the artist themselves, hair styles etc are hard because of cultural mixing.

Either way i think we should definitely separate the two tags. It's very easy to tell them apart usually, and most blacked artwork includes the ace of spades symbol which makes it doubly easy to tell

i agree with you but they were arguing you cant "tag what you see" with racial features on furries LOL but lore tags for race would be amazing! itd solve my issue of not being able to find black furry art in sfw contexts too

manitka said:
i think there are definetely grounds to keep bleached and blacked separate. I mean how else can uses find one without the other?

but also I think "race-coding" should have to be some sort of lore tag, because we can't just determine if an artist intends for a character to be a specific race from looks alone.

My mom is white, when she was in her early 20's she was a hippie and had locs,. There are many jewish people who have afros because of hair genetics, etc. I think if we do race-coded tags it has to come from the artist themselves, hair styles etc are hard because of cultural mixing.

Either way i think we should definitely separate the two tags. It's very easy to tell them apart usually, and most blacked artwork includes the ace of spades symbol which makes it doubly easy to tell

I mean we can go by looks sometimes. But the opinion of wanting them to be lore is very valid and I agree, because not everyone knows stereotypes and not everyone depicts them. Or they subvert them and that causes bad assumptions or confusion.

_{also my mom is a hippie too}

gattonero2001 said:
IMO "race coding" requires "vibes" to work.

TBH most of the staff would probably be against expanding lore tags in that direction because it feels like it would create a lot of trouble

Oh yeah, absolutely needs vibes lol
That also makes sense that it could be a ticking-timebomb or at least drama-bait for people to scream racism