Topic: [APPROVED] Monster Hunter BUR Part 1

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #7007 is active.

create alias mhw (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_wilds (4) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_online (2) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter:_world (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter:rise (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_cross (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_(nintendo_3ds) (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_3 (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_3_ultimate (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_frontier (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter:world (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_tri (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)
create alias monster_hunter_(series) (0) -> monster_hunter (18238)

Reason: This BUR is based on what tags have already been aliased to monster hunter. If this is incorrect, then the tags currently aliased to monster hunter will have to be reconsider.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7007 (forum #394741) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Updated by auto moderator

Monster Hunter Stories may be worth keeping separate, as it's a somewhat distinctly different take on the series (kind of like how Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is separate from Pokemon). Though Monster Hunter Stories 2 could possibly be aliased to Monster Hunter Stories, not sure we need a separate tag for each of the Stories spinoffs.

waller said:
remove implication tsukino_(monster_hunter_stories) (553) -> monster_hunter_stories_2:_wings_of_ruin (597)
create alias monster_hunter_stories_2:_wings_of_ruin (597) -> monster_hunter (14085) # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR

These two can't be done together, since BURs don't act one after another. It would be possible for the alias to happen before or at the same time as the de-implication, causing a tag to be aliased and have an implication at the same time, which the site can't do without problems. When creating multiple related BURs, you can put the topic ID (43023 in this case) in the form to have it appear in the same thread.

watsit said:
Monster Hunter Stories may be worth keeping separate, as it's a somewhat distinctly different take on the series (kind of like how Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is separate from Pokemon). Though Monster Hunter Stories 2 could possibly be aliased to Monster Hunter Stories, not sure we need a separate tag for each of the Stories spinoffs.

These two can't be done together, since BURs don't act one after another. It would be possible for the alias to happen before or at the same time as the de-implication, causing a tag to be aliased and have an implication at the same time, which the site can't do without problems. When creating multiple related BURs, you can put the topic ID (43023 in this case) in the form to have it appear in the same thread.

done

I'm curious if there were a reasoning as to why these were Aliased and not Implicated. The titles are distinctly different copyrights and enclose completely different casts of characters and creatures. I just noticed this myself looking up specifically Wilds content as opposed to World, Rise, etc. To consider- being able to search by game is very useful to gather entire groups of other potential tags. Imagine having to type up a list of every pokemon character you want from a specific game of the mainline because they've all been aliased, or the entire cast of Resident Evil 5 in a similar circumstance. Or even to be specific by elimination: if I wanted specifically Clone Wars Ahsoka/Anakin/Obi-wan I could not() the other media copyrights.

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fatspidy said:
I'm curious if there were a reasoning as to why these were Aliased and not Implicated. The titles are distinctly different copyrights and enclose completely different casts of characters and creatures.

Same is true of many pokemon games. While they may have some different creatures and characters, there's also a lot of overlap and similarity. Creatures in one game have a habit of appearing in another later on, making implications for them to specific games untenable. A lot of images are generically "Monster Hunter" unidentifiable as any specific game, or can be a blend of various different aspects of different games, making it unclear which it should be tagged as.

watsit said:
Same is true of many pokemon games. ... Creatures in one game have a habit of appearing in another later on ..., or can be a blend of various different aspects of different games, making it unclear which it should be tagged as.

I mean, firstly, I'd say they'd just be tagged with every game they appear in, or Implied to each anyhow. However, I did use pokemon myself in my example. --

I'd imagine that it's less of an issue to the generic monsters, like say Rath-ian/los, to perhaps not even get specified games and more for say Ratha himself or the other NPC's like the Player_Character, The Admiral, Guild Marme, etc. To use pokemon given it's ease, I'd put this in the same spectrum as say all the Male/Female choose-ables like Red/Male, Green/Female, Ruby/May, etc, Brock, Misty, Giratina, the Regi's, etc. And that's as opposed to just your generic Charmander, Vaporeon, etc.

For instance, if I include Rise in a search, that would inherently include Canynes, the Kamura and Elgado NPCs, and arguably their flagships like Malzeno, Gaismagorm, etc, and perhaps specifically Risen variants. All without explicitly adding them to the searched tags. That in of itself would be a bloat of 30 some-odd tags to have to include without any differentiation in the system. Much how if I searched Red_Version/Gen_1 that would infer a set of 170ish specific things I might want to include settled with 1 search term.

Personally speaking, I think this sort of relationship is much better for the user to filter what they want to find rather than getting flooded with ...(checking) 2k results of MH+Interspecies by itself. Especially as [You cannot search for more than 40 tags at a time] and in Rise alone there are 44 named NPCs not including the Player. And to be clear I'm aware that you could say search ~Hinoa and ~Minato and get probably the largest stroke of results regarding the game's explicit characters, not including the 30 new/100 total monsters themselves, but still you have to figure that if you explicitly included those 30 mon, then you get 10 tags for any more specific tags of what you want. And since the engine can get more and more iffy with more ~ or just more tags period, I'd think trading that for say Monster_Hunter_<game> -<species> is much more appealing to both the site and the user.

fatspidy said:
I mean, firstly, I'd say they'd just be tagged with every game they appear in, or Implied to each anyhow. However, I did use pokemon myself in my example. --

So I assume you're in favour of implying mario to every game mentioned in this video ?

snpthecat said:
So I assume you're in favour of implying mario to every game mentioned in this video ?

Yes. In the same way that each version of Link would imply their respective game. Where as Super Smash Brothers would imply its personal roster. Tags are a a use for a searchable and hyper filterable database- being able to search that database with more specific but minimal terms is strictly an improvement of the system, not a negative. Imagine searching Metal Gear Solid 5: Phantom Pain, and instead getting results for just Metal Gear and no other relation. Or searching handcuffs and then get everything related to BDSM, handcuffs or not. Or even just wanting everything Bondage, but not necessarily everything BDSM. That should be considered a failure of the tag system, not acceptable streamlining. idk anyone that wants to fill their 40 tag limit with Not() tags for things in BDSM they don't want in this search rather than all searches. (Which could be handled with the blacklist.)

watsit said:
Same is true of many pokemon games.

Actually thinking on it randomly, wouldn't a pokemon, monster, or other NPC/character just be reasonable to implicate their first/primary appearance? Like Charizard implicating gen1, Magnamalo implicating Rise, Alma implies Wilds, etc. And any other further tagging would thus be up to manual additions for specificity.