Reason: Girly implies Male per the wiki. I've seen a few images sneak through that have girly tagged but are missing male. Also, some incorrectly tagged girly for a female character. (for solo images). This might help reduce missed and incorrectly tagged images.

Hope I did this right. It's my first Tag implication request...

girly can also be on male, maleherm or andromorph

edit: I was just copying what was on the girly wiki page, which is locked to being edited by staff only, and have no interest in getting involved in the below discussion.

faucet said:
girly can also be on male, maleherm or andromorph

I'm sorry, I miss read something on the "male" tag. I thought maleherm and andromorph already implicated male, but they don't and I'm mistaken.

Otherwise, did I make this post right? I don't see any of the extra stuff at the top, thought that would be added by the automod.

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
Otherwise, did I make this post right? I don't see any of the extra stuff at the top, thought that would be added by the automod.

there's buttons at the top of the page next to "new" that say "Request alias/implication/BUR" you'd click one of those if you want to make an alias/implication/BUR request.

faucet said:
girly can also be on male, maleherm or andromorph

A girly maleherm would be a herm, and a girly andromorph would be female. The difference between an andromorph and flat-chested female is if they have a feminine body type or not, which is what girly is used for. Similar for maleherm (more masculine body with both genitals) vs herm (more feminine body with both genitals).

watsit said:
A girly maleherm would be a herm, and a girly andromorph would be female. The difference between an andromorph and flat-chested female is if they have a feminine body type or not, which is what girly is used for. Similar for maleherm (more masculine body with both genitals) vs herm (more feminine body with both genitals).

If this were true, it wouldn't be policy to lock this set of tags.

magnuseffect said:
If this were true, it wouldn't be policy to lock this set of tags.

That was 3 years ago, by an ex-moderator, and before we got lore tags. What is the difference between a girly andromorph and a flat-chested female, otherwise?

watsit said:
A girly maleherm would be a herm, and a girly andromorph would be female. The difference between an andromorph and flat-chested female is if they have a feminine body type or not, which is what girly is used for. Similar for maleherm (more masculine body with both genitals) vs herm (more feminine body with both genitals).

this is often but not always true, we have characters on here that are species with sexual dimorphism beyond just "breasts <y/n>?", also bone structure and build matters.

watsit said:
That was 3 years ago, by an ex-moderator, and before we got lore tags. What is the difference between a girly andromorph and a flat-chested female, otherwise?

first off, just because she quit dosn't mean any decisions made while an admin were non-valid, second off Millcore has added the +andromorph, +girly lock before as well. also, andromorph posts are rare to begin with, girly ones even rarer and on top of that, I believe that gender tag locks have become significantly rarer since tag wars have seemed to die down a bit since lore tags were added and the intersex tagnames were changed.

watsit said:
That was 3 years ago, by an ex-moderator[..]. What is the difference between a girly andromorph and a flat-chested female, otherwise?

Well if we go back to the last version of the wiki NMNY touched, personality and clothing are given more importance than body type. If you took the dick off the guy in post #1101797 I doubt the admin team would demand they be tagged female, or have girly removed.

and before we got lore tags

Has it ever been stated that lore tags alter how TWYS tags such as girly work?

darryus said:
we have characters on here that are species with sexual dimorphism beyond just "breasts <y/n>?"

The sex tags are supposed to be based on human sexual features. A cleft-tailed pikachu isn't supposed to be tagged female, for example, if you don't see a pussy or breasts, or a feminine figure without visible genitals.

darryus said:
also bone structure and build matters.

That's what's meant by body type. Genitals take precedence over body type, but the body type may influence the sex tag when the genitals/breast configuration leave multiple options. Check how to tag genders:

• Pussy -> female, andromorph
• Breasts or feminine body?
• Breasts -> female
• Feminine -> female
• Both -> female
• Neither -> andromorph

...

• Both -> herm, maleherm
• Breasts or feminine body?
• Breasts -> herm
• Feminine -> herm
• Both -> herm
• Neither -> maleherm

pussy + flat_chested + feminine = female
pussy + flat_chested + not-feminine = andromorph
pussy + penis + flat_chested + feminine = herm
pussy + penis + flat_chested + not-feminine = maleherm

magnuseffect said:
Has it ever been stated that lore tags alter how TWYS tags such as girly work?

Nope, girly still and has always required a male character, even by the version of the wiki you linked:

A male character with ...

And the current is still:

A male bodied character with ...

watsit said:
And the current is still:

male bodied characters (aka male, maleherm, and andromorphs)

magnuseffect said:

male bodied characters (aka male, maleherm, and andromorphs)

male, not masculine. Maleherms and andromorphs aren't male for this site's tagging purposes, but are based on the character being masculine/not feminine. Check the wiki.

watsit said:
male, not masculine. Maleherms and andromorphs aren't male for this site's tagging purposes, but are based on the character being masculine/not feminine.

"Male bodied" is referring to the same criteria that the sex tagging wiki relies on, though. And that was a direct quote from the current locked iteration of girly, if you care to include the second line.

watsit said:
The sex tags are supposed to be based on human sexual features. A cleft-tailed pikachu isn't supposed to be tagged female, for example, if you don't see a pussy or breasts, or a feminine figure without visible genitals.

that only applies to fictional species, we still tag based on real-life species sexual dimorphism, like horns on bovids and manes on lions.

watsit said:
That's what's meant by body type. Genitals take precedence over body type, but the body type may influence the sex tag when the genitals/breast configuration leave multiple options. Check how to tag genders:

howto:tag genders said:
Note: The following diagrams/flowcharts are guides, not rules, and as with all guides—there will be some exceptions. So use your best judgement, along with the agreed opinions of other users as well.

magnuseffect said:
"Male bodied" is referring to the same criteria that the sex tagging wiki relies on, though. And that was a direct quote from the current locked iteration of girly, if you care to include the second line.

Then it currently doesn't make sense, since it contradicts the wiki on gender tagging. Again, how would you distinguish a feminine andromorph from a flat-chested female? Or a feminine maleherm from a herm?

darryus said:

howto:tag genders said:
Note: The following diagrams/flowcharts are guides, not rules, and as with all guides—there will be some exceptions. So use your best judgement, along with the agreed opinions of other users as well.

There will be exceptions, yes. As in, occasional instances where we apply a different result for reasons outside of those guidelines. "Some exceptions" doesn't mean "additional guidelines" or "unspoken changes", and the guidelines are quite unambiguous in this regard. Having "girly" apply to andromorph and maleherm wouldn't be an "exception", it would be a complete restatement of the guidelines on how to separate female from andromorph and herm from maleherm.

The "agreed opinions of other users" is likely referring to how most users (that deal with tagging) generally understand the guidelines, and most gender tagging complaints are a result of not following TWYS, which those users can explain. It's not indicating some majority-rule on which sex tags are used, if that's what you're getting at.

watsit said:
how would you distinguish a feminine andromorph from a flat-chested female?

a feminine andromorph will still have other male sexually dimorphic characteristics besides lack of breasts. Broad shoulders, narrow hips, larger jaw, an Adam’s apple, wider waist, thicker limbs/digits, etc. etc. etc. Girly shouldn’t be mistaken for a female body. A girly andromorph would just have a feminine presentation ie. crossdressing, makeup, etc. Basically what you normally see on girly males who still have male anatomy. A “male” with completely female anatomy should not be tagged male at all IMO; if it’s just a flat-chested female with a dick it really ought to be flat_chested gynomorph. The contamination of the girly tag with flat chested gynomorphs is the worst thing to happen to that tag, as it makes actual “femboys” impossible to find.

Or a feminine maleherm from a herm?

Same thing. A feminine maleherm will still have masculine body traits (shoulders, hips, face, etc.) despite presenting in a feminine manner (dress, makeup, eyelashes, whatever).

watsit said:
The "agreed opinions of other users" is likely referring to how most users (that deal with tagging) generally understand the guidelines, and most gender tagging complaints are a result of not following TWYS, which those users can explain. It's not indicating some majority-rule on which sex tags are used, if that's what you're getting at.

tagging standards like any form of communication is semi-fluid, definitions change, if it's realized that that a tag's usecase could be shifted/broadened slightly to improve searching, blacklisting, and browsing then it's done. if they weren't stuff like mlp feral gynomorph would be unusable for literally no reason other than the sanctity of a tag's definition.

scaliespe said:
a feminine andromorph will still have other male sexually dimorphic characteristics besides lack of breasts. Broad shoulders, narrow hips, larger jaw, an Adam’s apple, wider waist, thicker limbs/digits, etc. etc. etc. Girly shouldn’t be mistaken for a female body. A girly andromorph would just have a feminine presentation ie. crossdressing, makeup, etc.

Crossdressing disagrees with this:

Not to be confused with girly - which refers to the physical build and demeanour ... However, girly characters may also crossdress.

Masculine male characters can wear makeup as well, and I don't think we should make it so girly+manly is a valid combination for a single character.

scaliespe said:
A “male” with completely female anatomy should not be tagged male at all IMO; if it’s just a flat-chested female with a dick it really ought to be flat_chested gynomorph. The contamination of the girly tag with flat chested gynomorphs is the worst thing to happen to that tag, as it makes actual “femboys” impossible to find.

If there's a dick, it definitionally wouldn't be "completely female anatomy". A character with a penis and no visible pussy or breasts is a male for tagging purposes. Such a male character with a feminine body type is exactly what girly is intended for (especially considering femboy and all its variations are aliased to girly). I would be rather unhappy to see girly get flooded with non-male characters, or characters with plainly masculine/non-feminine body types, as it will make it harder to find "femboys".

darryus said:
tagging standards like any form of communication is semi-fluid, definitions change, if it's realized that that a tag's usecase could be shifted/broadened slightly to improve searching, blacklisting, and browsing then it's done. if they weren't stuff like mlp feral gynomorph would be unusable for literally no reason other than the sanctity of a tag's definition.

Or because ferals have trouble fitting to the intersex definitions, given they typically lack breasts and don't follow human dimorphic standards. There have been arguments over plainly feral wolf characters with a canine pussy being tagged andromorph by some user(s), because they're otherwise indistinguishable from female feral characters. In either case, yes the tagging standards can change, but considering how hot a topic gender tagging is, and considering the wikis for them are locked, any changes to that would be at the discretion of the admins.

darryus said:
there's buttons at the top of the page next to "new" that say "Request alias/implication/BUR" you'd click one of those if you want to make an alias/implication/BUR request.

Ah, yes. The super obvious things that say "Request Implication". I swear I'm not blind... Anyway. I generated a good conversation at least?

Wonder if I should remake this as an actual request or not, or just leave it...