The tag alias #59024 pussy_circumcision -> pussy_torture is pending approval.

Reason: Not a circumcision nor was it used according to its description in the wiki, most tags with it where just mistagged where the case was clitoridectomy or actual gore/torture. Needs to also no longer implicate the tag circumcision.

stagnant said:
The tag alias #59024 pussy_circumcision -> pussy_torture is pending approval.

Reason: Not a circumcision nor was it used according to its description in the wiki, most tags with it where just mistagged where the case was clitoridectomy or actual gore/torture. Needs to also no longer implicate the tag circumcision.

Hmm, more explanation?

It's probably best to actually gain a consensus before nuking a tag

faucet said:
It's probably best to actually gain a consensus before nuking a tag

:( I just saw that.

faucet said:
It's probably best to actually gain a consensus before nuking a tag

@Stagnant do you want a record for tagging vandalism?
Because that's how you get a record for tagging vandalism.

It's not a brand new tag that was misused. It has aliases and implications, and you are just nuking it with no discussion or even an explanation.

uhh... pussy_circumcision is a very specific thing, it should probably imply genital_mutilation and _maybe_ it could imply pussy_torture, but this stuff can also happen when a character is unconscious/anesthetized (or dead, I guess) and I'm not sure if we'd consider stuff done to a character when they're unable to feel/react "torture".

either way, definitely not alias, and _certainly_ shouldn't have been mass removed from posts without discussion.

stagnant said:
The tag alias #59024 pussy_circumcision -> pussy_torture is pending approval.

Reason: Not a circumcision nor was it used according to its description in the wiki, most tags with it where just mistagged where the case was clitoridectomy or actual gore/torture. Needs to also no longer implicate the tag circumcision.

As someone who is Very Into this can you maybe NOt nuke the tag and, further, this request is straight up wrong.

The removal of the Labia and Clitoral hood is "pussy_circumcision" in this case.

Furthermore, the tags you added to replace don't work under the current system; this is another of the myriad issues involved in using the term "pussy" as a catchall.

actually, looking at this user's edit history it seems like they've removed/nuked several valid and novel tags related to mutilation, torture, blood and more for no apparent reason.
pretty much their entire edit history is just clearing tags.

darryus said:
actually, looking at this user's edit history it seems like they've removed/nuked several valid and novel tags related to mutilation, torture, blood and more for no apparent reason.
pretty much their entire edit history is just clearing tags.

I wonder why. Are they trying to force other people to see those things, or are they trying to make it harder for people looking for those things to find them? Are they genuinely mistaken and think esoteric tags should be removed?

oozeenthusiast said:
I wonder why. Are they trying to force other people to see those things, or are they trying to make it harder for people looking for those things to find them? Are they genuinely mistaken and think esoteric tags should be removed?

maybe? but they also just cleared a bunch of random tags like, h/p/mh, free_use, no_wings (which I could see an argument for being invalid but it seems like it could be useful), pec_play, and more. it just seems like vaginal torture/mutilation is just their latest kick.

EDIT:also...
goojob
involuntary_orgasm
dominant_submissive (kinda weird. might be valid, might not)
power_submissive (similar to the last)
one-bar_prison
broodmother (not sure this is valid either)
swordfighting (bit of a weird one, might should be disambiguated)
if any other users want to look into un-removing these tags if they seem valid to you it'd be helpful. to me the tags in-concept seem like they could be valid, either that or aliased to another existing tag.

darryus said:
actually, looking at this user's edit history it seems like they've removed/nuked several valid and novel tags related to mutilation, torture, blood and more for no apparent reason.
pretty much their entire edit history is just clearing tags.

Hole-y blacklist, blockman.

Swordfighting... Dueling is used but dueling can include pistols. :shrugs:

-1 'Twould be better to implicate it to genital_mutilation, as it is still a real life (and rather cruel) thing.

alphamule said:
Hole-y blacklist, blockman.

Swordfighting... Dueling is used but dueling can include pistols. :shrugs:

swordfighting/swordfight is a bit of a weird tag since they're added to posts that contain either fighting using swords and also ""fighting"" using ""swords"". probably ought to be disambiguated somehow.

darryus said:
swordfighting/swordfight is a bit of a weird tag since they're added to posts that contain either fighting using swords and also ""fighting"" using ""swords"". probably ought to be disambiguated somehow.

Some of the funniest scenes I've seen involve artist drawing someone(or actor with fake one) swinging their 'sword' like a club. Yeah, it should probably be swordfight_(duel) and swordfight_(frottage)? Not sure... Might want to take this to an Implication topic?

bitwolfy said:
@Stagnant do you want a record for tagging vandalism?
Because that's how you get a record for tagging vandalism.

It's not a brand new tag that was misused. It has aliases and implications, and you are just nuking it with no discussion or even an explanation.

I have undone the removal of the tag on the posts. As per the warning instructions "undo the damage you have caused.
If you decide to continue vandalizing tags, you will be banned."

stagnant said:
I have undone the removal of the tag on the posts. As per the warning instructions "undo the damage you have caused.
If you decide to continue vandalizing tags, you will be banned."

You clearly have not done that.
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[post_id]=648351
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[post_id]=649337

From the very first page of your tag changes.
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[updater_id]=286360

The fact that you deliberately went after deleted posts in your efforts to remove this tag is quite telling.

And that's far from the only thing you've done.
You've nuked blunt_horn for no good reason. You nuked red_dragon, which should have been aliased to dragon instead.
You have removed a bunch of cases of free_use, which is a contentious tag, but should be discussed and fixed instead of just nuked.

Fix. It.

bitwolfy said:
You clearly have not done that.
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[post_id]=648351
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[post_id]=649337

From the very first page of your tag changes.
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[updater_id]=286360

The fact that you deliberately went after deleted posts in your efforts to remove this tag is quite telling.

And that's far from the only thing you've done.
You've nuked blunt_horn for no good reason. You nuked red_dragon, which should have been aliased to dragon instead.
You have removed a bunch of cases of free_use, which is a contentious tag, but should be discussed and fixed instead of just nuked.

Fix. It.

Sorry, I thought I grabbed them all when undoing the tag edits. I believe I have also undone the other tags you have requested. Please let me know if I have missed any.

stagnant said:
Sorry, I thought I grabbed them all when undoing the tag edits. I believe I have also undone the other tags you have requested. Please let me know if I have missed any.

Does this also extend to the tags that darryus listed above?

strikerman said:
Does this also extend to the tags that darryus listed above?

free_use, one-bar_prison, pec_play goojob and involitary_orgasm seem to have been restored.
broodmother remains mostly as it was, although honestly, most of the removals here were probably valid, this is kinda a weird tag and gets mistagged a lot.
swordfighting remains unchanged-- realtalk, I have no idea what we should do with this tag (or swordfight or whatever), it seems like it's kinda a valid situation, but the tag name is rel bad.
no_wings was selectively readded. (or maybe some were just missed? because post #2626027 still has the tag removed but the parent post had it added back. no real rhyme or reason to which ones got reverted.)
power_submissive is still totally empty.
dominant_submissive hasn't been restored, but was added to a few new posts for some reason... replacing power_bottom, some of which deserved to have the power_bottom tag removed, and only one of which would really fit any possible definition of the dominant_submissive tag.

darryus said:
dominant_submissive hasn't been restored, but was added to a few new posts for some reason... replacing power_bottom, some of which deserved to have the power_bottom tag removed, and only one of which would really fit any possible definition of the dominant_submissive tag.

What even is this? It's an oxymoron, unless there's some kind of power play train going on (character B is submissive to character A, but character B is also dominant to character C at the same time)? Otherwise, it's like older_younger or macro_micro, which makes no sense to apply to the same character at the same time.

watsit said:
What even is this? It's an oxymoron, unless there's some kind of power play train going on (character B is submissive to character A, but character B is also dominant to character C at the same time)? Otherwise, it's like older_younger or macro_micro, which makes no sense to apply to the same character at the same time.

maybe it could be like groups like [dom -> sub_dom -> sub] or something? like -- bureaucratic bdsm?
I think a couple of the posts that were tagged with this were closer to like an "enthusiastic" sub more than a "dominant" sub.

watsit said:
What even is this? It's an oxymoron, unless there's some kind of power play train going on (character B is submissive to character A, but character B is also dominant to character C at the same time)? Otherwise, it's like older_younger or macro_micro, which makes no sense to apply to the same character at the same time.

My first thought was someone acting in a 'dominant' position even if they'd normally appear to be submissive (wearing a collar, being caged, etc.)

e.g. post #1190521

darryus said:
I think a couple of the posts that were tagged with this were closer to like an "enthusiastic" sub more than a "dominant" sub.

I'd think a willing_submissive or enthusiastic_submissive tag would be better for that.

strikerman said:
My first thought was someone acting in a 'dominant' position even if they'd normally appear to be submissive (wearing a collar, being caged, etc.)

e.g. post #1190521

That looks like a typical power_bottom to me. The character holding the leash is the dominant one, as he seems to be in control of what the other character is doing, regardless of who's penetrating who.

Yeah, that term made me think of power_bottom but who knows what the intent was of all those people? :Shrugs:
Would these work and be more consistent? dueling_(swords) dueling_(gun) But not all sword fights involve a duel. Sigh. So how about: dueling_(swords) (impl)-> fighting_(swords) -> (impl) fighting implication chain?
The term for fighting with penises is same as fighting frottage tags combined in same search (roughly), right? I don't think I really want to see a dick_swinging tag. XD

::edit:: Oh hell, it exists: swinging_penis OK, wasn't going to create a whole new tag for that, but if it exists... and it's a much more generic tag than 'sword'fighting would be. Nice and convenient!

alphamule said:
Yeah, that term made me think of power_bottom but who knows what the intent was of all those people? :Shrugs:
Would these work and be more consistent? dueling_(swords) dueling_(gun) But not all sword fights involve a duel. Sigh. So how about: dueling_(swords) (impl)-> fighting_(swords) -> (impl) fighting implication chain?
The term for fighting with penises is same as fighting frottage tags combined in same search (roughly), right? I don't think I really want to see a dick_swinging tag. XD

::edit:: Oh hell, it exists: swinging_penis OK, wasn't going to create a whole new tag for that, but if it exists... and it's a much more generic tag than 'sword'fighting would be. Nice and convenient!

I'm not really sure that swordfighting would be considered frottage, would it? at least from what wikipage says I'm not sure it fits since they're not really being "pressed" or "rubbed" together. also I'm not sure if most of the time it'd really be considered fighting either.

darryus said:
I'm not really sure that swordfighting would be considered frottage, would it? at least from what wikipage says I'm not sure it fits since they're not really being "pressed" or "rubbed" together. also I'm not sure if most of the time it'd really be considered fighting either.

I... guess. It feels like it would be playful 'fighting'. I don't know if there's a tag for genital play like that. Was trying to find closest fit, to excuse the pun.

Swinging_penis + fighting would be... accurate?

post #2972099 LOLzy post

alphamule said:
I... guess. It feels like it would be playful 'fighting'. I don't know if there's a tag for genital play like that. Was trying to find closest fit, to excuse the pun.

Swinging_penis + fighting would be... accurate?

post #2972099 LOLzy post

ain't that meatspin

darryus said:
free_use, one-bar_prison, pec_play goojob and involitary_orgasm seem to have been restored.
broodmother remains mostly as it was, although honestly, most of the removals here were probably valid, this is kinda a weird tag and gets mistagged a lot.
swordfighting remains unchanged-- realtalk, I have no idea what we should do with this tag (or swordfight or whatever), it seems like it's kinda a valid situation, but the tag name is rel bad.
no_wings was selectively readded. (or maybe some were just missed? because post #2626027 still has the tag removed but the parent post had it added back. no real rhyme or reason to which ones got reverted.)
power_submissive is still totally empty.
dominant_submissive hasn't been restored, but was added to a few new posts for some reason... replacing power_bottom, some of which deserved to have the power_bottom tag removed, and only one of which would really fit any possible definition of the dominant_submissive tag.

I think I am hitting a limit of something cause I am mass undoing them and while it seems some take others do not and it takes awhile for the changes to apply.

Again just mention any I missed, and I will try doing it when I can.