Preface:

I hope not to stir things up too much with this, and in fact seeing as I am one of the people who started using intersex as an umbrella term for our mixed sex characteristic furs, I feel compelled to bring forth this proposal.

Offense was never intended by associating it with herm as a category.

I am fully aware of how integrated to some of our auto-tagging it has become, and may cause some issues with blacklists (I'm not sure if there are update hooks for this).

Proposal

Use of Gyandromorph from Gyandromorphism.

A gynandromorph is an organism that contains both male and female characteristics. The term comes from the Greek γυνή (gynē) 'female', ἀνήρ (anēr) 'male', and μορφή (morphē) 'form', and is used mainly in the field of entomology. Gynandromorphism is most frequently recognized in organisms that have strong sexual dimorphism ...

Thank you for your consideration.

vulpesfoxnik said:

Preface:

I hope not to stir things up too much with this, and in fact seeing as I am one of the people who started using intersex as an umbrella term for our mixed sex characteristic furs, I feel compelled to bring forth this proposal.

Offense was never intended by associating it with herm as a category.

I am fully aware of how integrated to some of our auto-tagging it has become, and may cause some issues with blacklists (I'm not sure if there are update hooks for this).

Proposal

Use of Gyandromorph from Gyandromorphism.

Thank you for your consideration.

It would be easier to update the Wiki to clarify this?

This is a horrible idea. Intersex literally means between-sex, someone unfamiliar with the term can still understand what it means. Gynandromorph/Gynandromorphism is word salad that nobody is going to understand.

I also don't think anyone is genuinely offended by the term 'intersex', it's such a benign term that I think anyone offended by it is not acting in good faith, and is just making it up. It's more benign than 'herm' itself. Unlike 'herm', it is very difficult to use 'intersex' in a sentence, other than as a predicative adjective. This makes using it as an insult very ineffective.

I'll use 'okay boomer' as an example insult:

You can clearly see that one is much more insulting than the other.

kyiiel said:
I also don't think anyone is genuinely offended by the term 'intersex', it's such a benign term that I think anyone offended by it is not acting in good faith, and is just making it up.

well, there's that artist that went DNP over changing dickgirl -> gynomorph citing it as "transphobic", so yeah, peeps will get offended by just about anything.

darryus said:
well, there's that artist that went DNP over changing dickgirl -> gynomorph citing it as "transphobic", so yeah, peeps will get offended by just about anything.

wtf? Wasn't the reason for the change because dickgirl is transphobic?
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The situation as it stands now works well enough. Unlike the situation that led to andromorph and gynomorph, hermaphrodite is not obscene and is a valid scientific term that's easily understood. If there is a problem with using just herm, then it could be aliased to hermaphrodite easily enough.

dubsthefox said:
wtf? Wasn't the reason for the change because dickgirl is transphobic?
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From what I recall, the issue was that the old terms were considered offensively obscene rather than transphobic. (The transgender complaints were addressed with lore tags.)

dubsthefox said:
wtf? Wasn't the reason for the change because dickgirl is transphobic?
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takedown #13877

I guess she didn't go DNP but still took down all the art and the one user that posted her art to e6 (that definitely wasn't her roleplaying as a 3rd party uploader for some reason) mysteriously disappeared after that. she's also just a massive shit-stirer in general to the point where it's kind of impossible to tell if she's genuine about anything ever.

If you did some research, you would find that intersex is neutral and widely accepted term. The words it comprised from are neither obscene nor informal ("retard" and "moron" uses to be formal, but became obscene).

On top of inoffensivness, it's also concise. Swithing to Gyandromorph would make it difficult to quickly read through the already complex list of tags.

Good intentions, but I think this is splitting hairs for no clear benefit.

vulpesfoxnik said:
[Proposal]

I recognise the good intentions behind this proposal, but I think it's a bit misguided.

As well as the important and practical points brought up by kyiiel and magikarp, it is important to point out that gynandromorph has a more specific definition in biological sciences than the Wikipedia snippet from the original post might imply to general readers.

Describing an organism as gynandromorphic entails that the organism is genetically mosaic, or in other words, made of genetically distinct cell types. Specifically, the genetic mosaic in the case of gynandromorphism is the presence of both male and female cells. You can think of it as being similar to chimerism, though chimerism is a slightly different phenomenon (and that distinction is beyond the scope of this post).

As described succinctly by Janning (1978):

Genetic mosaics are organisms that are built up by at least two genotypically different cell types. Gynandromorphs are genetic mosaics that consist of both male and female cells.

This is a specific word with specific implications, owing to its roots in the field of genetics. By contrast, the term intersex is neutral, inoffensive, and accurate to what we are tagging without carrying the same unwarranted implications.