The tag implication #42852 pedophile_iconography -> pride_colors has been rejected.

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EDIT: The tag implication pedophilia_pride_colors -> pride_colors (forum #323551) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

Always include a reason for your implications/aliases, even if you think they're completely obvious.

Based on my reading: I'm not sure that pedophilia_pride_colors and zoophilia_pride_colors qualify for pride_colors, because they deal with a paraphilia, not with gender identity or sexual orientation; the much-maligned straight_pride_colors flag at least manages that much.

And, well, if the basis for this implication is "it has pride_colors in the tag", would playing_human_men_in_RPGs_and_having_sex_with_nonhuman_women_pride_colors count if I were to suddenly blow a few hundred dollars on getting art for that?

lafcadio said:
Always include a reason for your implications/aliases, even if you think they're completely obvious.

Based on my reading: I'm not sure that pedophilia_pride_colors and zoophilia_pride_colors qualify for pride_colors, because they deal with a paraphilia, not with gender identity or sexual orientation; the much-maligned straight_pride_colors flag at least manages that much.

And, well, if the basis for this implication is "it has pride_colors in the tag", would playing_human_men_in_RPGs_and_having_sex_with_nonhuman_women_pride_colors count if I were to suddenly blow a few hundred dollars on getting art for that?

The pedophilia pride flag is taken seriosuly by many people. If someone made a pride flag for "Playing human men in RPGs and having sex with nonhuman women" and it was taken seriously, playing_human_men_in_RPGs_and_having_sex_with_nonhuman_women_pride_colors should imply pride_colors.

Maybe we should deimply lgbt_pride from pride_colors so we can have pride colors tags for things that have nothing to do with gender or sexuality, for example diy_pride_colors.

You really should include a reason for implication suggestions every time. That probably would have helped you avoid getting so many downvotes.

That being said, I’ll +1 because I think, ideally, the pride_colors tag should include anything that can be called pride colors, regardless of what it represents. We can have more specific subtags for those that relate specifically to gender identities or whatever else.

Personally, I have pride_colors blacklisted because a good number of those posts are some kind of social or political commentary, and the comments section is very often a literal shitstorm. That’s the kind of thing I prefer to avoid when browsing furry art. So, the fact that these two would need to be blacklisted individually without this implication doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. These tags appear to be very rare, but those few posts that do have these tags all seem to fit my reason for blacklisting them.

there's a fairly specific point and political context to the whole term of "pride colours" etc etc and I'm not sure that coming up with a rainbow flag to represent people who really like to renovate their house is accurate to that.

electricitywolf said:
The pedophilia pride flag is taken seriosuly by many people.

whom, though? and for what purposes?

colacolabug said:
whom, though? and for what purposes?

It is taken seriously by pedophiles, anti-pedophiles and people who are not pedophiles themselves but support them. Anti-pedophiles tell people to stay away from people posting that flag on their social media or wave it.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MAPFlag

lafcadio said:
because they deal with a paraphilia, not with gender identity or sexual orientation

There's pride flags for all sorts of things, like BDSM, leather... the list goes on.
No idea if those are "real" pride flags, probably depends on who you ask.

mantikor said:
There's pride flags for all sorts of things, like BDSM, leather... the list goes on.
No idea if those are "real" pride flags, probably depends on who you ask.

The idea of a "real" pride flag is fucking hilarious, as it implies either that pride (a subjective emotion) in some things is objectively invalid, or that a symbol/flag is entirely invalid as a symbol in spite of being used for exactly what it was invented for with no further qualification for dismissal beyond personal distaste for the subject matter it represents.

votp said:
pride (a subjective emotion) in some things is objectively invalid

i mean, like

of all the things to be proud of, pedophilia really seems like one of the more wrong answers

strikerman said:
of all the things to be proud of, pedophilia really seems like one of the more wrong answers

As it's been explained to me, it's not so much that you're "proud of being X". I mean, what's uniquely prideful about being gay, trans, etc? The point is more in taking pride in being yourself. To not hide these aspects of yourself, and to be accepted as you are, regardless of what some people may think. And in this vein, pedophilia and zoophilia fit. There's a huge incorrect stigma that pedophile=child abuser and zoophile=animal abuser, so people who have no drive or desire to abuse anyone but can't help but have these attractions anyway, are needlessly disenfranchised. And when that disenfranchisement causes depression and a need to hide oneself, which in turn increases the risk of certain individuals to not get the help they may need and cause harm to themselves or others, there's a legitimate issue to address through visibility that "pride" brings.

We had a discussion of zoophilia pride colors recently and I think the conclusions in that thread seem to also mostly fit here, despite the differences between these two subjects.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/31457

In summary, have a general pride colors category, with a LGBT+ pride colors subcategory, so that things can be in the former but not associated with the latter. Regardless of your feelings on either pedophilia or zoophilia, it's our job here to tag things accurately, and if these colors are being used, there ought to be tags and organization for those tags by which users can both search or blacklist.

I think the discussion about whether it makes sense to have pride in pedophilia is kind of pointless? It seems weird to me because pedophilia, if acted on, is harmful, but then there's also nomaps who recognize that and maybe they have some sort of connection to the flag? I agree with Watsit that a certain amount of visibility would help here - destigmatizing the attraction might allow people to get help such that they don't harm others.

Again though, this is speculation, giving the benefit of the doubt, you'd have to ask someone using the flag what they mean by it. But to reiterate, none of that is actually relevant to how we ought to categorize things.

I don't really think orientation and kink pride related flags should be clumped together.

versperus said:
I don't really think orientation and kink pride related flags should be clumped together.

That's why they're being disconnected via topic #31457

The tag implication pedophilia_pride_colors -> pride_colors (forum #323551) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.