The tag implication #42704 cavern -> cave has been rejected.

Reason: While cavern is sometimes defined as being synonymous with cave, its wiki apparently defines it more specifically as "A chamber (typically large) in a cave.". By this definition, an implication is appropriate.

For example, this is a "cave" but not a "cavern", since only the entrance is seen. post #3036198

Meanwhile, this is a cavern, a chamber in a cave. post #1190156

EDIT: The tag implication cavern -> cave (forum #322296) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

Seems like a thing to keep separate.

• Cave: A hole in a rocky surface which seems to lead to an interior area.
• Cavern: A rocky inside location, whether or not the entrance is visible.
• Tunnel: An interior location which seems to extend beyond visible area. May or may not be a cavern.

post #1942573 post #3029763 post #3044958
Some tunnels may be braced caverns, some are just dug out without bracing, and others aren't even caverns, instead being an obviously synthetic structure.
In that middle example, it would be a tunnel, cave, and cavern since it's a long, stony passageway leading to an opening, but the first just leads to darkness.
post #2577882 post #2566712 post #3031670
...There are way too many macro images under the tunnel tag that I really feel don't fit at all. There's no tunnel in most of them, just a masturbation system. I assume the tags started out as some masturbation tunnel concept, but that whould be masturbation_tunnel if it's worded that way, and not be connected to tunnel proper.

furrin_gok said:
Seems like a thing to keep separate.

• Cave: A hole in a rocky surface which seems to lead to an interior area.

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The thing is that the cave wiki specifically mentions caverns (even without a visible hole) as a reason to tag cave, in addition to seeing the entrance hole to a cave:

This tag is used when there is a hollow space in the landscape (usually in rocky terrain, opening from a gap on a vertical surface) which is large enough for characters to enter.

This tag can be used when there is a visible cave entrance on the landscape or if the characters in the post are inside the inner cavern(s).

By the wiki definitions, cavern is a subset of cave. If we wanted, we could make a separate cave_entrance tag (would "cave_hole" be a better name?) , which would also be a subset of cave.

What it comes down to is that if the cavern -> cave implication doesn't work, the wikis need to be updated to explain why. As written, it's basically spelled out that the implication should work.

The tag implication cavern -> cave (forum #322296) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.