The tag alias #55458 nipple_milking -> breast_milking has been rejected.

Reason: same thing(?)

Does the breast_milking tag apply to characters without breasts such as flat-chested females or males?

EDIT: The tag alias nipple_milking -> breast_milking (forum #321572) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.

Makes sense to me. There might be a lack of the breasts tag on breast_milking -breasts due to them either being males or just flat chested females, but it's still the right part of the body.

A lot of those should be cleaned out to udder_milking though, and that one is not breast milking.

faucet said:
The tag alias #55458 nipple_milking -> breast_milking has been rejected.

Reason: same thing(?)

Does the breast_milking tag apply to characters without breasts such as flat-chested females or males?

don't see a reason to thumbs-down. This just makes logical sense.
If ya got breasts and start tugging them or using a machine or etc. You're essentially breast milking.

furrin_gok said:
Makes sense to me. There might be a lack of the breasts tag on breast_milking -breasts due to them either being males or just flat chested females, but it's still the right part of the body.

closetpossum said:
don't see a reason to thumbs-down. This just makes logical sense.
If ya got breasts and start tugging them or using a machine or etc. You're essentially breast milking.

That's a no from me because not all nipples are on breasts. And one of the obvious example has already been pointed out by Furrin, it can be from udders.
There are also some species that do not have breasts, though they can "breastfeed" (nursing would be a better term); e.g., orcas have mammary_slits instead of breasts.

post #715284

The wiki for breast_milking currently says "The milking the breasts (teats, udders, etc.) of a character whether it is with a milking machine or by hand." - unless that needs to be updated.

faucet said:
The wiki for breast_milking currently says "The milking the breasts (teats, udders, etc.) of a character whether it is with a milking machine or by hand." - unless that needs to be updated.

I believe the intention for breast_milking is for it to be a universal tag for milk milking, as opposed to other forms like cum_milking.
However, the naming of it unintentionally implies that breasts are involved, even though it is not implied with said tag. As a result, we see tags like nipple_milking and udder_milking cropping up as a substitute.

We would need to come up with a better term for "milk milking" first before we can update the wiki.

thegreatwolfgang said:
That's a no from me because not all nipples are on breasts. And one of the obvious example has already been pointed out by Furrin, it can be from udders.
There are also some species that do not have breasts, though they can "breastfeed" (nursing would be a better term); e.g., orcas have mammary_slits instead of breasts.

post #715284

udders aren't breasts?
that's news to me.

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scaliespe said:
mammary_milking?

Wouldn't that still apply to udders then? To me, the nipple slits aren't really any different from proper breasts, just on an animal that needs them tucked away, but an udder is a completely different design.

thegreatwolfgang said:
That's a no from me because not all nipples are on breasts. And one of the obvious example has already been pointed out by Furrin, it can be from udders.
There are also some species that do not have breasts, though they can "breastfeed" (nursing would be a better term); e.g., orcas have mammary_slits instead of breasts.
post #715284

As explained above, that's intentional on my part. The nipple slits are effectively internal breasts--you can't tag breasts itself, but the same applies to flat chests and moobs.

...I did notice that the current wiki for breast_milking says that udders are currently included. They are 100% not breasts, so it already proves that the tag wasn't meant to be excluded from those various examples. I can definitely support the mammary_milking umbrella term so that udder_milking can be separated and both imply that.

closetpossum said:
udders aren't breasts?
that's news to me.

You need to do some reading from time to time.
Breasts are not the same as udders or teats, they are mammary glands (in real life) and separate tags (on e621).

scaliespe said:
mammary_milking?

Sounds like a good name, but we will need to consider first which tags will be implicated with this umbrella tag, such as breast_milking, udder_milking, and a possible third tag for non-breasts/udders milking.

furrin_gok said:
Wouldn't that still apply to udders then? To me, the nipple slits aren't really any different from proper breasts, just on an animal that needs them tucked away, but an udder is a completely different design.

As explained above, that's intentional on my part. The nipple slits are effectively internal breasts--you can't tag breasts itself, but the same applies to flat chests and moobs.

...I did notice that the current wiki for breast_milking says that udders are currently included. They are 100% not breasts, so it already proves that the tag wasn't meant to be excluded from those various examples. I can definitely support the mammary_milking umbrella term so that udder_milking can be separated and both imply that.

I would argue that "nipple slits" or mammary_slits are a completely different design in on itself, but we will need to first differentiate between how e621 defines tags and how a dictionary would describe it.

• In real life, breast is defined as "either of the two round soft parts at the front of a woman’s body that produce milk when she has had a baby" or "the similar, smaller part on a man’s body, which does not produce milk."
• On e621, breast is defined as "soft round growths that serve as a secondary sexual characteristic for female or intersex characters."

For the sake of tagging, we do not tag breasts for male or flat_chested characters, and non-breasts possessing species (i.e., udders and mammary_slits).
However, if they somehow manage to lactate, then it will always be tagged with breast_milking as per the current wiki's definition.

This, however, also contradicts with the current wiki definition for breasts. It may seem like a good catch-all tag for all sorts of mammary milking, but I can see problems with implementing it to male, flat_chested, or otherwise non-breasts possessing species.

Perhaps redefining breast_milking so that it can also be differentiated from other mammary gland types?
I'm still unsure about retaining nipple_milking though for its mistagging potential, but at the same time it may serve as a good alternative.

The tag alias nipple_milking -> breast_milking (forum #321572) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.