The bulk update request #730 has been rejected.

Reason: There are already <gender>_penetrating_<gender> and <form>_penetrating_<form> tags. We don't need to shuffle genders and forms around.

EDIT: The bulk update request #730 (forum #306141) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

I am against this. The point of tags like human_penetrating_anthro and human_penetrating_feral is because the reverse is far more common. This allows me to find art where humans actually top for a change.

I am referring to male/male art, that is.

Absolutely not as aliases, no. X_on_Y is commutative, that's why we have aliases for all variants of Y_on_X. X_penetrating_Y is strictly one-way and conveys additional meaning (namely, that the sexual act in question is specifically penetration, and who's penetrating who). Passing this BUR would erase that additional information.

Dang, my apologies. My vote should be a thumbs down instead of a thumbs-up. I mis-clicked and can't correct it.

clawstripe said:
Dang, my apologies. My vote should be a thumbs down instead of a thumbs-up. I mis-clicked and can't correct it.

You can click on the thumbs-up symbol next to your name to remove it (requires a page reload due to a site bug).

bitwolfy said:
You can click on the thumbs-up symbol next to your name to remove it (requires a page reload due to a site bug).

Thank you. You can have the thumbs-up instead. :p

We need a new BUR to add all the implications then. They should imply x_penetrating, y_penetrated and x_on_y.

The bulk update request #733 has been rejected.

Reason: Missing implications.

EDIT : completed BUR with all genders/forms.

Implication male_penetrating_feral -> male_on_feral was already proposed in this topic : topic #25084

EDIT: The bulk update request #733 (forum #306204) has been rejected by @slyroon.

haryldson said:
The bulk update request #733 has been rejected.

create implication ambiguous_penetrating_anthro (83) -> ambiguous_on_anthro (638)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_anthro (83) -> ambiguous_penetrating (1274)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_anthro (83) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_feral (35) -> ambiguous_on_feral (311)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_feral (35) -> ambiguous_penetrating (1274)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_feral (35) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_human (27) -> ambiguous_on_human (2197)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_human (27) -> ambiguous_penetrating (1274)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_human (27) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_humanoid (9) -> ambiguous_on_humanoid (166)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_humanoid (9) -> ambiguous_penetrating (1274)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_humanoid (9) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_taur (0) -> ambiguous_on_taur (11)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_taur (0) -> ambiguous_penetrating (1274)
create implication ambiguous_penetrating_taur (0) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication female_penetrating_anthro (94) -> female_on_anthro (17825)
create implication female_penetrating_anthro (94) -> female_penetrating (9586)
create implication female_penetrating_anthro (94) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication female_penetrating_feral (32) -> female_on_feral (30164)
create implication female_penetrating_feral (32) -> female_penetrating (9586)
create implication female_penetrating_feral (32) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication female_penetrating_human (70) -> female_on_human (53233)
create implication female_penetrating_human (70) -> female_penetrating (9586)
create implication female_penetrating_human (70) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication female_penetrating_humanoid (17) -> female_on_humanoid (3645)
create implication female_penetrating_humanoid (17) -> female_penetrating (9586)
create implication female_penetrating_humanoid (17) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication female_penetrating_taur (0) -> female_on_taur (279)
create implication female_penetrating_taur (0) -> female_penetrating (9586)
create implication female_penetrating_taur (0) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication intersex_penetrating_anthro (373) -> intersex_on_anthro (608)
create implication intersex_penetrating_anthro (373) -> intersex_penetrating (41168)
create implication intersex_penetrating_anthro (373) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication intersex_penetrating_feral (60) -> intersex_on_feral (1265)
create implication intersex_penetrating_feral (60) -> intersex_penetrating (41168)
create implication intersex_penetrating_feral (60) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication intersex_penetrating_human (400) -> intersex_on_human (1693)
create implication intersex_penetrating_human (400) -> intersex_penetrating (41168)
create implication intersex_penetrating_human (400) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156) -> intersex_on_humanoid (462)
create implication intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156) -> intersex_penetrating (41168)
create implication intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication intersex_penetrating_taur (6) -> intersex_on_taur (37)
create implication intersex_penetrating_taur (6) -> intersex_penetrating (41168)
create implication intersex_penetrating_taur (6) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_anthro (2) -> intersex_penetrating_anthro (373)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_anthro (2) -> andromorph_on_anthro (76)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_anthro (2) -> andromorph_penetrating (221)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_anthro (2) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_feral (0) -> intersex_penetrating_feral (60)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_feral (0) -> andromorph_on_feral (107)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_feral (0) -> andromorph_penetrating (221)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_feral (0) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_human (2) -> intersex_penetrating_human (400)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_human (2) -> andromorph_on_human (94)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_human (2) -> andromorph_penetrating (221)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_human (2) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_humanoid (3) -> intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_humanoid (3) -> andromorph_on_humanoid (9)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_humanoid (3) -> andromorph_penetrating (221)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_humanoid (3) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_taur (1) -> intersex_penetrating_taur (6)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_taur (1) -> andromorph_on_taur (11)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_taur (1) -> andromorph_penetrating (221)
create implication andromorph_penetrating_taur (1) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_anthro (376) -> intersex_penetrating_anthro (373)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_anthro (376) -> gynomorph_on_anthro (437)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_anthro (376) -> gynomorph_penetrating (36409)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_anthro (376) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_feral (142) -> intersex_penetrating_feral (60)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_feral (142) -> gynomorph_on_feral (903)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_feral (142) -> gynomorph_penetrating (36409)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_feral (142) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_human (426) -> intersex_penetrating_human (400)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_human (426) -> gynomorph_on_human (1450)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_human (426) -> gynomorph_penetrating (36409)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_human (426) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_humanoid (189) -> intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_humanoid (189) -> gynomorph_on_humanoid (416)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_humanoid (189) -> gynomorph_penetrating (36409)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_humanoid (189) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_taur (7) -> intersex_penetrating_taur (6)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_taur (7) -> gynomorph_on_taur (19)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_taur (7) -> gynomorph_penetrating (36409)
create implication gynomorph_penetrating_taur (7) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication herm_penetrating_anthro (42) -> intersex_penetrating_anthro (373)
create implication herm_penetrating_anthro (42) -> herm_on_anthro (61)
create implication herm_penetrating_anthro (42) -> herm_penetrating (3162)
create implication herm_penetrating_anthro (42) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication herm_penetrating_feral (6) -> intersex_penetrating_feral (60)
create implication herm_penetrating_feral (6) -> herm_on_feral (94)
create implication herm_penetrating_feral (6) -> herm_penetrating (3162)
create implication herm_penetrating_feral (6) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication herm_penetrating_human (14) -> intersex_penetrating_human (400)
create implication herm_penetrating_human (14) -> herm_on_human (108)
create implication herm_penetrating_human (14) -> herm_penetrating (3162)
create implication herm_penetrating_human (14) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication herm_penetrating_humanoid (5) -> intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156)
create implication herm_penetrating_humanoid (5) -> herm_on_humanoid (33)
create implication herm_penetrating_humanoid (5) -> herm_penetrating (3162)
create implication herm_penetrating_humanoid (5) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication herm_penetrating_taur (3) -> intersex_penetrating_taur (6)
create implication herm_penetrating_taur (3) -> herm_on_taur (6)
create implication herm_penetrating_taur (3) -> herm_penetrating (3162)
create implication herm_penetrating_taur (3) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_anthro (4) -> intersex_penetrating_anthro (373)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_anthro (4) -> maleherm_on_anthro (11)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_anthro (4) -> maleherm_penetrating (265)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_anthro (4) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_feral (0) -> intersex_penetrating_feral (60)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_feral (0) -> maleherm_on_feral (13)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_feral (0) -> maleherm_penetrating (265)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_feral (0) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_human (0) -> intersex_penetrating_human (400)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_human (0) -> maleherm_on_human (6)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_human (0) -> maleherm_penetrating (265)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_human (0) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_humanoid (0) -> intersex_penetrating_humanoid (156)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_humanoid (0) -> maleherm_on_humanoid (0)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_humanoid (0) -> maleherm_penetrating (265)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_humanoid (0) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_taur (0) -> intersex_penetrating_taur (6)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_taur (0) -> maleherm_on_taur (0)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_taur (0) -> maleherm_penetrating (265)
create implication maleherm_penetrating_taur (0) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication male_penetrating_anthro (22770) -> male_on_anthro (43927)
create implication male_penetrating_anthro (22770) -> male_penetrating (569391)
create implication male_penetrating_anthro (22770) -> anthro_penetrated (233072)
create implication male_penetrating_feral (4661) -> male_penetrating (569391)
create implication male_penetrating_feral (4661) -> feral_penetrated (49981)
create implication male_penetrating_human (7433) -> male_on_human (27338)
create implication male_penetrating_human (7433) -> male_penetrating (569391)
create implication male_penetrating_human (7433) -> human_penetrated (33769)
create implication male_penetrating_humanoid (3468) -> male_on_humanoid (12748)
create implication male_penetrating_humanoid (3468) -> male_penetrating (569391)
create implication male_penetrating_humanoid (3468) -> humanoid_penetrated (23718)
create implication male_penetrating_taur (302) -> male_on_taur (549)
create implication male_penetrating_taur (302) -> male_penetrating (569391)
create implication male_penetrating_taur (302) -> taur_penetrated (1519)
create implication anthro_penetrating_ambiguous (102) -> ambiguous_on_anthro (638)
create implication anthro_penetrating_ambiguous (102) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_ambiguous (102) -> ambiguous_penetrated (7377)
create implication anthro_penetrating_female (6867) -> female_on_anthro (17825)
create implication anthro_penetrating_female (6867) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_female (6867) -> female_penetrated (350021)
create implication anthro_penetrating_intersex (150) -> intersex_on_anthro (608)
create implication anthro_penetrating_intersex (150) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_intersex (150) -> intersex_penetrated (23497)
create implication anthro_penetrating_andromorph (63) -> anthro_penetrating_intersex (150)
create implication anthro_penetrating_andromorph (63) -> andromorph_on_anthro (76)
create implication anthro_penetrating_andromorph (63) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_andromorph (63) -> andromorph_penetrated (6226)
create implication anthro_penetrating_gynomorph (75) -> anthro_penetrating_intersex (150)
create implication anthro_penetrating_gynomorph (75) -> gynomorph_on_anthro (437)
create implication anthro_penetrating_gynomorph (75) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_gynomorph (75) -> gynomorph_penetrated (11753)
create implication anthro_penetrating_herm (25) -> anthro_penetrating_intersex (150)
create implication anthro_penetrating_herm (25) -> herm_on_anthro (61)
create implication anthro_penetrating_herm (25) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_herm (25) -> herm_penetrated (2988)
create implication anthro_penetrating_maleherm (12) -> anthro_penetrating_intersex (150)
create implication anthro_penetrating_maleherm (12) -> maleherm_on_anthro (11)
create implication anthro_penetrating_maleherm (12) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_maleherm (12) -> maleherm_penetrated (722)
create implication anthro_penetrating_male (2831) -> male_on_anthro (43927)
create implication anthro_penetrating_male (2831) -> anthro_penetrating (183125)
create implication anthro_penetrating_male (2831) -> male_penetrated (250008)
create implication feral_penetrating_ambiguous (27) -> ambiguous_on_feral (311)
create implication feral_penetrating_ambiguous (27) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_ambiguous (27) -> ambiguous_penetrated (7377)
create implication feral_penetrating_female (4923) -> female_on_feral (30164)
create implication feral_penetrating_female (4923) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_female (4923) -> female_penetrated (350021)
create implication feral_penetrating_intersex (25) -> intersex_on_feral (1265)
create implication feral_penetrating_intersex (25) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_intersex (25) -> intersex_penetrated (23497)
create implication feral_penetrating_andromorph (36) -> feral_penetrating_intersex (25)
create implication feral_penetrating_andromorph (36) -> andromorph_on_feral (107)
create implication feral_penetrating_andromorph (36) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_andromorph (36) -> andromorph_penetrated (6226)
create implication feral_penetrating_gynomorph (56) -> feral_penetrating_intersex (25)
create implication feral_penetrating_gynomorph (56) -> gynomorph_on_feral (903)
create implication feral_penetrating_gynomorph (56) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_gynomorph (56) -> gynomorph_penetrated (11753)
create implication feral_penetrating_herm (12) -> feral_penetrating_intersex (25)
create implication feral_penetrating_herm (12) -> herm_on_feral (94)
create implication feral_penetrating_herm (12) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_herm (12) -> herm_penetrated (2988)
create implication feral_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> feral_penetrating_intersex (25)
create implication feral_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_on_feral (13)
create implication feral_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_penetrated (722)
create implication feral_penetrating_male (1123) -> feral_penetrating (54484)
create implication feral_penetrating_male (1123) -> male_penetrated (250008)
create implication human_penetrating_ambiguous (174) -> ambiguous_on_human (2197)
create implication human_penetrating_ambiguous (174) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_ambiguous (174) -> ambiguous_penetrated (7377)
create implication human_penetrating_female (18137) -> female_on_human (53233)
create implication human_penetrating_female (18137) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_female (18137) -> female_penetrated (350021)
create implication human_penetrating_intersex (98) -> intersex_on_human (1693)
create implication human_penetrating_intersex (98) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_intersex (98) -> intersex_penetrated (23497)
create implication human_penetrating_andromorph (30) -> human_penetrating_intersex (98)
create implication human_penetrating_andromorph (30) -> andromorph_on_human (94)
create implication human_penetrating_andromorph (30) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_andromorph (30) -> andromorph_penetrated (6226)
create implication human_penetrating_gynomorph (57) -> human_penetrating_intersex (98)
create implication human_penetrating_gynomorph (57) -> gynomorph_on_human (1450)
create implication human_penetrating_gynomorph (57) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_gynomorph (57) -> gynomorph_penetrated (11753)
create implication human_penetrating_herm (20) -> human_penetrating_intersex (98)
create implication human_penetrating_herm (20) -> herm_on_human (108)
create implication human_penetrating_herm (20) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_herm (20) -> herm_penetrated (2988)
create implication human_penetrating_maleherm (3) -> human_penetrating_intersex (98)
create implication human_penetrating_maleherm (3) -> maleherm_on_human (6)
create implication human_penetrating_maleherm (3) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_maleherm (3) -> maleherm_penetrated (722)
create implication human_penetrating_male (1520) -> male_on_human (27338)
create implication human_penetrating_male (1520) -> human_penetrating (65174)
create implication human_penetrating_male (1520) -> male_penetrated (250008)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_ambiguous (6) -> ambiguous_on_humanoid (166)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_ambiguous (6) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_ambiguous (6) -> ambiguous_penetrated (7377)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_female (792) -> female_on_humanoid (3645)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_female (792) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_female (792) -> female_penetrated (350021)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32) -> intersex_on_humanoid (462)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32) -> intersex_penetrated (23497)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_andromorph (4) -> humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_andromorph (4) -> andromorph_on_humanoid (9)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_andromorph (4) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_andromorph (4) -> andromorph_penetrated (6226)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_gynomorph (27) -> humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_gynomorph (27) -> gynomorph_on_humanoid (416)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_gynomorph (27) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_gynomorph (27) -> gynomorph_penetrated (11753)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_herm (5) -> humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_herm (5) -> herm_on_humanoid (33)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_herm (5) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_herm (5) -> herm_penetrated (2988)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> humanoid_penetrating_intersex (32)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_on_humanoid (0)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_penetrated (722)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_male (264) -> male_on_humanoid (12748)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_male (264) -> humanoid_penetrating (11568)
create implication humanoid_penetrating_male (264) -> male_penetrated (250008)
create implication taur_penetrating_ambiguous (2) -> ambiguous_on_taur (11)
create implication taur_penetrating_ambiguous (2) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_ambiguous (2) -> ambiguous_penetrated (7377)
create implication taur_penetrating_female (115) -> female_on_taur (279)
create implication taur_penetrating_female (115) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_female (115) -> female_penetrated (350021)
create implication taur_penetrating_intersex (13) -> intersex_on_taur (37)
create implication taur_penetrating_intersex (13) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_intersex (13) -> intersex_penetrated (23497)
create implication taur_penetrating_andromorph (8) -> taur_penetrating_intersex (13)
create implication taur_penetrating_andromorph (8) -> andromorph_on_taur (11)
create implication taur_penetrating_andromorph (8) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_andromorph (8) -> andromorph_penetrated (6226)
create implication taur_penetrating_gynomorph (8) -> taur_penetrating_intersex (13)
create implication taur_penetrating_gynomorph (8) -> gynomorph_on_taur (19)
create implication taur_penetrating_gynomorph (8) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_gynomorph (8) -> gynomorph_penetrated (11753)
create implication taur_penetrating_herm (5) -> taur_penetrating_intersex (13)
create implication taur_penetrating_herm (5) -> herm_on_taur (6)
create implication taur_penetrating_herm (5) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_herm (5) -> herm_penetrated (2988)
create implication taur_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> taur_penetrating_intersex (13)
create implication taur_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_on_taur (0)
create implication taur_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_penetrated (722)
create implication taur_penetrating_male (43) -> male_on_taur (549)
create implication taur_penetrating_male (43) -> taur_penetrating (1427)
create implication taur_penetrating_male (43) -> male_penetrated (250008)

Reason: Missing implications.

EDIT : completed BUR with all genders/forms.

Implication male_penetrating_feral -> male_on_feral was already proposed in this topic : topic #25084

We are not sure if we actually want these.

We are thinking about it.

millcore said:
We are not sure if we actually want these.

We are thinking about it.

Which do you mean by "these" -- the "penetrating" tags, the "on" tags, or the implications? Or something else?

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Well, this one's been collecting dust. Might as well spin up some new discussion.

Now that tags like male_anthro, female_humanoid, etc. are seeing more usage, using those might be a better solution than creating combo tags for every possible form, gender, and action. These are a package deal, to be clear: having the populated ones necessarily suggests having all the unpopulated ones too.

Yeah I really don't like these either. Gender_on_form is plenty, we don't need gender_penetrating_form

topic #42656

cloudpie said:
Yeah I really don't like these either. Gender_on_form is plenty, we don't need gender_penetrating_form

topic #42656

+1

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