I'm currently in the painful process of fixing a massive amount of images lacking a tag. A long while back the male_renamon tag was a thing to help with distinction between images that had one, and the countless female ones. But someone sad that the tag was unnecessary and it was removed, and I was told to label them with crossgender instead, which doesn't really apply since it's a species, not a character, but I digress. I just wanted to give a heads up somewhere that I'm in the middle of this, because I don't want to go through 50 pages worth of images tagging them correctly and then come back and find someone undid all the work.

vulpurus said:
I'm currently in the painful process of fixing a massive amount of images lacking a tag. A long while back the male_renamon tag was a thing to help with distinction between images that had one, and the countless female ones. But someone sad that the tag was unnecessary and it was removed, and I was told to label them with crossgender instead, which doesn't really apply since it's a species, not a character, but I digress. I just wanted to give a heads up somewhere that I'm in the middle of this, because I don't want to go through 50 pages worth of images tagging them correctly and then come back and find someone undid all the work.

It's going to get undone anyway, because the crossgender tag does not apply to a species, especially not one that has both sexes.

Though, to the mods, I must ask...Does the character Rika Nonaka being present count as sufficient evidence the Renamon is specifically hers? 'cause her specific Renamon is canonically female, so Rika interacting with a male Renamon could be argued to be an actual example of crossgender...

jacob said:
Though, to the mods, I must ask...Does the character Rika Nonaka being present count as sufficient evidence the Renamon is specifically hers? 'cause her specific Renamon is canonically female, so Rika interacting with a male Renamon could be argued to be an actual example of crossgender...

Or she's encountering someone else's Renamon that happens to be male.

clawstripe said:
Or she's encountering someone else's Renamon that happens to be male.

Fair point.

jacob said:
It's going to get undone anyway, because the crossgender tag does not apply to a species, especially not one that has both sexes.

On further reflection, I have remembered there's an exception to this: If a character is a member of a species that exists in real life and displays sexual dimorphism, and their sex is different to what their features would suggest in the real world, then the crossgender tag applies. For example, a female character with those classic "eyed" tail feathers, and blue and green coloration, of a peacock. Only males of the peafowl species have those attributes IRL, and peahens come in duller, muted colors, so a female with peacock traits would be crossgender.

jacob said:
It's going to get undone anyway, because the crossgender tag does not apply to a species, especially not one that has both sexes.

Thing is, this was something the mods themselves said to do instead. Since the male_renamon tag was removed. They stated crossgender was fine. I disagree, but, honestly something needs to be put in place to find those images more easily. The ratio is like 50 to 1, and that's low rolling

vulpurus said:
Thing is, this was something the mods themselves said to do instead.

When? Because that's not how the rules work at this point in time.

jacob said:
When? Because that's not how the rules work at this point in time.

It was a while back. The message to me doesn't even exist in my profile anymore. Honestly I'd much rather prefer just bringing back the male_renamon tag

I don't know who told you that but is absolutely incorrect information. I've removed all the crossgender tags you've added, please do not add them back.

notmenotyou said:
I don't know who told you that but is absolutely incorrect information. I've removed all the crossgender tags you've added, please do not add them back.

Is there any way to bring back the old tag then to make those images easier to locate? I don't mind tagging them all myself by hand, I just want to be able to more easily locate them

vulpurus said:
Honestly I'd much rather prefer just bringing back the male_renamon tag

male_salazzle, female_incineroar, male_delphox... where would it end? Would andromorph_blaziken count? gynomorph_flamedramon?

I get the desire to identify pictures with of some species with an atypical gender depiction that you like to see, given how difficult it can be to otherwise find them, but having some species get gender-specific tags for unusual gender depictions would also create problems, firstly with ensuring the tags are used correctly, and secondly with knowing whether a particular gender/species combo should qualify.

watsit said:
male_salazzle, female_incineroar, male_delphox... where would it end? Would andromorph_blaziken count? gynomorph_flamedramon?

I get the desire to identify pictures with of some species with an atypical gender depiction that you like to see, given how difficult it can be to otherwise find them, but having some species get gender-specific tags for unusual gender depictions would also create problems, firstly with ensuring the tags are used correctly, and secondly with knowing whether a particular gender/species combo should qualify.

Considering the male to female ratio is, just with solo tag, 5 pages to 52 pages. An exception could be made.

vulpurus said:
Considering the male to female ratio is, just with solo tag, 5 pages to 52 pages. An exception could be made.

A slippery slope argument could be made here. If we allow this for renamon, why not allow a few other species? After allowing them, why not allow more? One could make all sorts of arguments for why we should allow one species or the other to have gender-specific tags. If we only allow renamon this privilege, people are going to start asking why other species don't get it, and we could easily run ourselves headlong into a herculean rework of the gender tagging system. All species, all tags with some gender in them (muscular_x, x_penetrating_y, etc), would need variants, and those would need implications and aliases, etc. It would very quickly snowball out of control.

The admins won't let that precedent be set. We'll unfortunately just have to live with it.

komuros said: stuff

The current system is not very flexible.
A few years ago, there was a proposal to have tag relation trees instead of tag lists, i.e. instead of having characterA, characterB, anthro, feral, male, female, tagA, tagB, tagC, etc, you would have

characterA 
 -> anthro
 -> male
 -> tagA
 -> tagC

characterB
 -> feral
 -> female
 -> tagB

But implementing that is an incredible amount of work, all for a result that's useful to a minority of users. So, nothing came out of that.

komuros said:
A slippery slope argument could be made here. If we allow this for renamon, why not allow a few other species? After allowing them, why not allow more? One could make all sorts of arguments for why we should allow one species or the other to have gender-specific tags. If we only allow renamon this privilege, people are going to start asking why other species don't get it, and we could easily run ourselves headlong into a herculean rework of the gender tagging system. All species, all tags with some gender in them (muscular_x, x_penetrating_y, etc), would need variants, and those would need implications and aliases, etc. It would very quickly snowball out of control.

The admins won't let that precedent be set. We'll unfortunately just have to live with it.

And I fully understand that outlook. But a lot of other tags you can typically narrow down in one way or another. I realize I'm asking for an exception here, but there's really no other way to more feasibly find what equates to the albino of the tag grouping.

We could use the alternate_gender tag which isn't being used for anything. It might be a happy compromise.

komuros said:
A slippery slope argument could be made here. If we allow this for renamon, why not allow a few other species? After allowing them, why not allow more? One could make all sorts of arguments for why we should allow one species or the other to have gender-specific tags. If we only allow renamon this privilege, people are going to start asking why other species don't get it, and we could easily run ourselves headlong into a herculean rework of the gender tagging system. All species, all tags with some gender in them (muscular_x, x_penetrating_y, etc), would need variants, and those would need implications and aliases, etc. It would very quickly snowball out of control.

The admins won't let that precedent be set. We'll unfortunately just have to live with it.

It would avoid the problem Komuros brings up, because it wouldn't be attaching a gender to a species.

Best you can do is create a set for them. I've done so for Greninjas who don't sport their tongue scarf because there's not really any way to properly tag it for the individual (some images may include one with a scarf and one without ).

furrin_gok said:
Best you can do is create a set for them. I've done so for Greninjas who don't sport their tongue scarf because there's not really any way to properly tag it for the individual (some images may include one with a scarf and one without ).

Wait, you can do that? The mods wouldn't get upset at that?

vulpurus said:
Wait, you can do that? The mods wouldn't get upset at that?

Do whatever you want with sets, as long as you stick to the basic rules: no creepy descriptions, etc.

(Edit: Whoops, did I seriously just mix up reply and report? Must've been muscle memory. Sorry mods, still getting used to the new forum.)

genjar said:
Do whatever you want with sets, as long as you stick to the basic rules: no creepy descriptions, etc.

(Edit: Whoops, did I seriously just mix up reply and report? Must've been muscle memory. Sorry mods, still getting used to the new forum.)

I know the two start off the same, but they get real different!